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4600.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 12:54 am

Peoples are social entities thats why they built up nations thus they are affected from eachother, i think thats the deal... Wink

Quoting barba_mama

I never got the big deal behind gay marriage. Just because you give your neighbor the choice, it´s not like YOU have to get married to somebody of the same sex. If two consenting adults feel like they want to marry eachother, then what is the big deal?

 

 



Edited (4/24/2010) by armegon

4601.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 10:49 am

 

Quoting armegon

Peoples are social entities thats why they built up nations thus they are affected from eachother, i think thats the deal... Wink

 

 

 

Perhaps, but two men (or women) being in a monogamous relationship will not have a negative effect on you. It´s not contagious or anything (The homosexuality... ohw, if only monogamy was contagious, that would save so many heartbreaks )

4602.       lemon
1374 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 11:21 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Perhaps, but two men (or women) being in a monogamous relationship will not have a negative effect on you. It´s not contagious or anything (The homosexuality... ohw, if only monogamy was contagious, that would save so many heartbreaks )

 

It is VERY VERY contagious! it is so popular in europe esp UK to be a gay among teenagers (starting even earlier ages like 9 or 1. Suddenly every other boy in bigger cities want to be gay.

This is not as innocent as you think or I used to think.

4603.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 11:26 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Perhaps, but two men (or women) being in a monogamous relationship will not have a negative effect on you. It´s not contagious or anything (The homosexuality... ohw, if only monogamy was contagious, that would save so many heartbreaks )

 

It always affects people, its like your kids hang out with their friends who have bad habits, and you are worried about them...

4604.       catwoman
8933 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 03:27 pm

lol lol lol lol lol

4605.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 07:26 pm

Oh god... I must be gay! I grew up with my neighbours being a gay couple, named Rob and John. They were like a married couple even before this was legal in Holland.. Oh nooo! I talked to them like a thousand times! And what about the gay friends I have... oh.. crap... And I thought I was straight Well, I need to make a phonecall. Have to disappoint a nice guy, and explain that I have "caught the bug". No more straight-lovin´ for me!

 

By the way, I seriously hope that the "it IS contagious" remark is a joke... it is... right?



Edited (4/24/2010) by barba_mama

4606.       lemon
1374 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 09:03 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Oh god... I must be gay! I grew up with my neighbours being a gay couple, named Rob and John. They were like a married couple even before this was legal in Holland.. Oh nooo! I talked to them like a thousand times! And what about the gay friends I have... oh.. crap... And I thought I was straight Well, I need to make a phonecall. Have to disappoint a nice guy, and explain that I have "caught the bug". No more straight-lovin´ for me!

 

By the way, I seriously hope that the "it IS contagious" remark is a joke... it is... right?

 

Barba, give me better and thought through answers.

 

"caught the bug" remark is empty, doesnt contain anything valuable.

 

I was serious. and I gave you the explanation to it.

4607.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 10:38 pm

Homosexuality is not something you can "catch" or you would have seen that all children who´s parents turn out to be gay are gay too, and everybody who has a gay friend must be gay too, and ESPECIALLY everybody who ever set foot in a gay club must be gay.

 

That you seem to have a problem with people being gay, does not mean that it has always been viewed as a problem and that it is a problem. Being gay has not always been an issue. In ancient Greece for example, people were not boxed according to their romantic preferences like they are today. Being gay was an accepted part of life. According to the "contagious" theory, there would be no people left in the world, since at one point everybody would only have sex with same sex partners and no children would be born.

 

The fact that in certain countries more young people are coming out of the closet, doesn´t mean that more people are becoming gay. It means that more people are open about it. Research has shown, that in countries were being openly gay has been accepted for a longer time have shown stable numbers of gay people. The fact that some countries have no gay people, is not because there ARE no gay people, but because being gay will end in you being discriminated, hurt, or even killed. There are gay people there, but they´re too afraid to admit it.

 

Is this enough for you? Because I´m really hoping that you´re just pretending to be a bigot to start conversations and discussions, and that you don´t believe the things that you say here.

4608.       lemon
1374 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 11:33 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Homosexuality is not something you can "catch" or you would have seen that all children who´s parents turn out to be gay are gay too, and everybody who has a gay friend must be gay too, and ESPECIALLY everybody who ever set foot in a gay club must be gay.

 

That you seem to have a problem with people being gay, does not mean that it has always been viewed as a problem and that it is a problem. Being gay has not always been an issue. In ancient Greece for example, people were not boxed according to their romantic preferences like they are today. Being gay was an accepted part of life. According to the "contagious" theory, there would be no people left in the world, since at one point everybody would only have sex with same sex partners and no children would be born.

 

The fact that in certain countries more young people are coming out of the closet, doesn´t mean that more people are becoming gay. It means that more people are open about it. Research has shown, that in countries were being openly gay has been accepted for a longer time have shown stable numbers of gay people. The fact that some countries have no gay people, is not because there ARE no gay people, but because being gay will end in you being discriminated, hurt, or even killed. There are gay people there, but they´re too afraid to admit it.

 

Is this enough for you? Because I´m really hoping that you´re just pretending to be a bigot to start conversations and discussions, and that you don´t believe the things that you say here.

 

This is not what I asked you to tell me. Why on earth you think that I know nothing about gays? I didnt come from another planet. I was here when all this started. I was watching, reading, listening. There were thousands of discussions. For years I didnt say anything, I didnt know what to say. I didnt jump into any conversation. Later I became pro-gayish and argued against fundamental christians (from where I come from). I hold this position until recently. Until I saw it suddenly became fashionable for teenagers to declare themselves as gay.

I strongly believe it is contagious not because of gays, but with the help of mass media.

 

I never claimed gays kill or hurt. what kind fantasy is that?

 

4609.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 01:37 am

Barba, you got it wrong, you asked what is the big deal, i answered societies are disturbed by homosexuality mostly, it is unlogical to say people do not affected by this, every change in environment affects people. To say the truth im not an expert in this issue, i havent got homosexual friends like you, of course i have seen many of them, how they live, behave etc but dont know anyone personally. However i have witnessed many people & society complaining about homosexuality, they believe and fear that it has become a trend that would affect the society in moral way, thats why i used the simile of kids taking examples of their friends who have bad habits(maybe not a good one). Thats why maybe lemon also said that being gay is popular in UK, because teenagers who are not truly born gays somehow emulate the life of homosexuals and at least they want to try once which affects the society.

 

I just tried to bring out the views of many people, never said it is wrong or right. And i didnt say homosexuals have no morality. I have seen also people who think hmosexuality violates human rights by disrupting the integration of a society.  That society is made up of families. Anyways i personally do not promote or condemn it. Just this.

 

And lastly instead of making sarcastic comments, you should consider that not not everyone need to think like you, freedom of thought, it does not mean those people want to kill all homosexuals. Wink 

 

4610.       lemon
1374 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 02:33 am

 

Quoting armegon

Barba, you got it wrong, you asked what is the big deal, i answered societies are disturbed by homosexuality mostly, it is unlogical to say people do not affected by this, every change in environment affects people. To say the truth im not an expert in this issue, i havent got homosexual friends like you, of course i have seen many of them, how they live, behave etc but dont know anyone personally. However i have witnessed many people & society complaining about homosexuality, they believe and fear that it has become a trend that would affect the society in moral way, thats why i used the simile of kids taking examples of their friends who have bad habits(maybe not a good one). Thats why maybe lemon also said that being gay is popular in UK, because teenagers who are not truly born gays somehow emulate the life of homosexuals and at least they want to try once which affects the society.

 

I just tried to bring out the views of many people, never said it is wrong or right. And i didnt say homosexuals have no morality. I have seen also people who think hmosexuality violates human rights by disrupting the integration of a society.  That society is made up of families. Anyways i personally do not promote or condemn it. Just this.

 

And lastly instead of making sarcastic comments, you should consider that not not everyone need to think like you, freedom of thought, it does not mean those people want to kill all homosexuals. Wink 

 

 

exactly!  those boys dont know their identity! they cant decide if they are gays or straight. it is shocking to see so many boys with heavy make-ups who behave like girls. they are bombarded by mass media. they are taught thats its ok to be this and that, you can tattoo all over your body, you can damage your earlobes, you can cut your scalps. today its popular to be a gay, mostly because people will notice you, secondly you do it out of rebellion to parents.

I mean how sad is this? you do whatever you want to do from the early years. you drink, you smoke, you take drugs (we have to thank Holland for pioneering), and no one will rebuke you. if anyone does it means they violate your freedom and individualism. haha what a misery!

every other family is broken. because we live in freedom, thus we carry zero responsibility. Our feelings are the most important thing in the world.

and this is all in the name of freedom, democracy and individualism!

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