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informal thoughts on Turkish Class
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 02:08 am |
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Hmmm...you mean....like when communications is censored by those in charge? :-S
Quoting catwoman: I think this is well said  . I just would like to add that a certain level of brainwashing by media and government does influence a person's ideas, wouldn't you agree? |
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 08:40 am |
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I think through out history, there has always been a very thin line between patritoism and nationalism. Someone has to be quite careful about where that line is.
I was looking at the wiki for patriotism link
Patriotism is often portrayed as a more positive alternative to nationalism
patriotism is distinguished from nationalism by its lack of aggression or hatred for others, its defensiveness, and positive community building
As far as patriotism in Turkey is concerned, well, most of our patriots are nationalists with racist elements. I find it quite disturbing actually.
And that type of patriotism should be bashed and smashed into pieces.
In the end, all nationalists call themselves patriots as well. Hitler was a patriot, so as Stalin, so is Bush.
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 08:49 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: I think through out history, there has always been a very thin line between patritoism and nationalism. Someone has to be quite careful about where that line is.
I was looking at the wiki for patriotism link
Patriotism is often portrayed as a more positive alternative to nationalism
patriotism is distinguished from nationalism by its lack of aggression or hatred for others, its defensiveness, and positive community building
As far as patriotism in Turkey is concerned, well, most of our patriots are nationalists with racist elements. I find it quite disturbing actually.
And that type of patriotism should be bashed and smashed into pieces.
In the end, all nationalists call themselves patriots as well. Hitler was a patriot, so as Stalin, so is Bush. |
Couldn't agree more! 
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:39 pm |
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thehandsom, you are contradicting with your own statement when you say most patriots in Turkey are nationalists. Well if someone is a nationalist then he is not exactly a patriot by definition. Maybe you would like to say something like this: of those who can be broadly (and unnecessarily) categorized as patriots, nationalists, right-wing chauvenists etc. the majority is held by nationalists. Even so, patriots are patriots and nationalists are nationalists. You shouldn't refer to one of them and describe the other.
As I wrote earlier, definitions of those concepts vary dramatically depending on the culture or subculture you belong to. Just because you consider yourself thehandsome not every girl is supposed to be crazy for you.
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:39 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: I think through out history, there has always been a very thin line between patritoism and nationalism. Someone has to be quite careful about where that line is.
I was looking at the wiki for patriotism link
Patriotism is often portrayed as a more positive alternative to nationalism
patriotism is distinguished from nationalism by its lack of aggression or hatred for others, its defensiveness, and positive community building
As far as patriotism in Turkey is concerned, well, most of our patriots are nationalists with racist elements. I find it quite disturbing actually.
And that type of patriotism should be bashed and smashed into pieces.
In the end, all nationalists call themselves patriots as well. Hitler was a patriot, so as Stalin, so is Bush. |
+1000
there you go, finally, time to time i see reasonable posts!
 i shall celebrate it! 
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:44 pm |
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Reason your reason.
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:44 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: thehandsom, you are contradicting with your own statement when you say most patriots in Turkey are nationalists. Well if someone is a nationalist then he is not exactly a patriot by definition. Maybe you would like to say something like this: of those who can be broadly (and unnecessarily) be collectively categorized as patriots, nationalists, right-wing chauvenists etc. the majority is held by nationalists. Even so, patriots are patriots and nationalists are nationalists. You shouldn't refer to one of them and describe the other. |
I think that the point he made was very clear and conversely, YOU are blurring the differences and playing demagogue.
Quoting vineyards: As I wrote earlier, definitions of those concepts vary dramatically depending on the culture or subculture you belong to. It is very much like you may consider yourself thehandsome but not every girl is supposed feel crazy for you. |
No it's not! Some things don't change based on location, although - the goal is to make people not see them the way they really are.
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:45 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: I think through out history, there has always been a very thin line between patritoism and nationalism. Someone has to be quite careful about where that line is.
I was looking at the wiki for patriotism link
Patriotism is often portrayed as a more positive alternative to nationalism
patriotism is distinguished from nationalism by its lack of aggression or hatred for others, its defensiveness, and positive community building
As far as patriotism in Turkey is concerned, well, most of our patriots are nationalists with racist elements. I find it quite disturbing actually.
And that type of patriotism should be bashed and smashed into pieces.
In the end, all nationalists call themselves patriots as well. Hitler was a patriot, so as Stalin, so is Bush. |
Applause!!!
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:47 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: I think through out history, there has always been a very thin line between patritoism and nationalism. Someone has to be quite careful about where that line is.
I was looking at the wiki for patriotism link
Patriotism is often portrayed as a more positive alternative to nationalism
patriotism is distinguished from nationalism by its lack of aggression or hatred for others, its defensiveness, and positive community building
As far as patriotism in Turkey is concerned, well, most of our patriots are nationalists with racist elements. I find it quite disturbing actually.
And that type of patriotism should be bashed and smashed into pieces.
In the end, all nationalists call themselves patriots as well. Hitler was a patriot, so as Stalin, so is Bush. |
My only comment of course is to reference Bush in the same context as Hitler and Stalin. Just thought it was a little extreme. Bye the way, I'm also not an advocate of Bush...
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:49 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: My only comment of course is to reference Bush in the same context as Hitler and Stalin. Just thought it was a little extreme. |
Yes, I agree. If you're adding milder nationalists you should definitely add Ataturk before Bush.
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:49 pm |
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Catwoman take your time and write a few more paragraphs to explain your opinion. All you are saying is yes it is true; no it's not right.
Here is my answer: no, you are wrong...
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