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6 More deaths :(
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:47 pm |
Don´t twist my words. I was making a factual statement - they live in the mountains thus they must be pretty light on their feet running around there. I didn´t say "it´s good they live there" or "it´s bad they live there" and I certaintly didn´t mention anything about the government asking them to go there.
If anything, I may have been symphatizing with the privates for having a hard time.
I apologize from you then... but i am some sensitive about when it comes to PKK... i got really cold while reading things about them...
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:49 pm |
But when you speak about my country and the behaviours to Kurds, you include me, my family, a retired police officer my father etc... So i have to tell you how i also behave them... you only hear and speak about bad and then generalize... this is even more tiring believe me...
This is actually not true. We each view things through a different window - you though the perspective of your police officer father and me through the perspective of first hand accounts from kurds.
I am not generalising and NEVER DO about racism and thank you not to patronise me.
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:55 pm |
This is actually not true. We each view things through a different window - you though the perspective of your police officer father and me through the perspective of first hand accounts from kurds.
I am not generalising and NEVER DO about racism and thank you not to patronise me.
Oh now you suspect me as "boy of his father"... But this is entirely not true! As i discuss with my father about my country and its problems till morning...
Where i look at the point is not losing my self in minor details but seeing major problems! The solution to this problem is beyond what you are asking for... and its not up the societies opening their eyes. If they want to solve PKK, they will believe me. But they wont! because they smuggle Drug! They sell weapons! When they get bored they will finish it!
please you said every kurd is suspected as a potential PKK supporter... this is a generilzation... and very very false one!! then i wouldnt have any kurdish friends!!
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:57 pm |
please you said every kurd is suspected as a potential PKK supporter... this is a generilzation... and very very false one!! then i wouldnt have any kurdish friends!!
I respect your opinon on the above, but, to use your words, if you do not live it, then you cannot really know 
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:01 am |
I respect your opinon on the above, but, to use your words, if you do not live it, then you cannot really know 
Thats true really, but i really wish... you could understand...
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:01 am |
As neither Sui or I are Kurdish, perhaps some of our Kurdish members could clarify the situation.
Do you feel discriminated against?
Do you feel the police are disrespectful or abusive to you?
Do you every feel uneasy in your day to day life, because of your race?
If there are any Kurdish turks left on this site (who have not been chased away by name calling) please let us know 
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:10 am |
As neither Sui or I are Kurdish, perhaps some of our Kurdish members could clarify the situation.
Do you feel discriminated against?
Do you feel the police are disrespectful or abusive to you?
Do you every feel uneasy in your day to day life, because of your race?
If there are any Kurdish turks left on this site (who have not been chased away by name calling) please let us know 
Look there Kurds are not the only race living in these lands, why on earth they are not on your tongue as much as kurds? because its us who creats this problem! not me personally nor you... but its us!
I dont make discrimination, so there is no way i can feel being discriminated against... The reason police might get more strict to Kurds cannot be classified because they are kurds only, because of their total number in Turkey are pretty much, in somekinda bad occasion mostly kurds come up? Why because they steal and do illegal things more! Why they move to big city to find a better job? But there is no job in this big city. Do you really think police does that because they are Kurd? I dont think you are that blind!
The police cannot get abusive to me... because i am a person and i know how to answer to an officer...But there are lots of points of some officers stupid behaviours! like beating a guy in taksim for drinking in ramazan!
Lastly... i will end up your questioning here... Personally, i think and would desire to see there is no borders and racism in these lands... But i would always have my word and say against something which is not right!
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:12 am |
As neither Sui or I are Kurdish, perhaps some of our Kurdish members could clarify the situation.
Do you feel discriminated against?
Do you feel the police are disrespectful or abusive to you?
Do you every feel uneasy in your day to day life, because of your race?
If there are any Kurdish turks left on this site (who have not been chased away by name calling) please let us know 
I dont think you need a first hand testimony for that..
Thousands and thousands of incidents happened (and still hapening)in the past and they are all known to anybody.
But some people are simply preferring to ignore them.
Unfortunately!!
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:14 am |
As neither Sui or I are Kurdish, perhaps some of our Kurdish members could clarify the situation.
Do you feel discriminated against?
Do you feel the police are disrespectful or abusive to you?
Do you every feel uneasy in your day to day life, because of your race?
If there are any Kurdish turks left on this site (who have not been chased away by name calling) please let us know 
I can answer these for Kadir, who is born out of a Zaza father and a Kurmanci mother.
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
It depends on what chances in life you get from the place you came from. Kadir is studying medicines and nobody ever asked him if he was Turkish or not. He had the same chances and rights for education as any other citizen/Turk in Turkey. But just as Kurdish girls in villages dont really go to school/university, neither do their Turkish village counterparts. In Turkey your rights are not presented to you on a silver platter, you have to reach out for them. And this counts for Turks as well. It is easy talk for Turks in big cities, but their fellow citizins in villages do not have any more chance at a lifeperspective as Kurdish ones.
I am not saying there is no discrimination because I believe there is quite some discrimination (not to mention discrimination of PKK towards Kurds who do not support them, as happend in my boyfriends family), but in Turkey generally life is what you make it: Kadirs parents decided to leave Diyarbakýr and move to Ankara in order to give their children a better chance at education. Any other Kurdish or Turkish family in Diyarbakýr (atthat time) could have decided that as well. And they have, if education was something important in their families at that time.
I agree with Meltem that there arent much pure Turks in Turkey left, and then we could even discuss about what a pure Turk is.. I also agree that it is normal not to mention your nationality. Actually nobody introduces himself that way There is discrimination against Kurds, but as citizens of Turkey they have the same rights as all other inhabitants, and they can achieve the same things as well. But it has to do with choices and circumstances.
(Obviously this is not a closing-answer, it is only 1 case of a good background. I merely wanted to point out that some discrimination about education-job is not true in many cases. Ãncidents in the past have shown us lots about discrimination. And the police in turkey is ´famous´ for being abusive anyway. Oh well this was my addition. It is too easy to just say they are discriminated because they are Kurds and to say that they do not have the same rights)
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:19 am |
I apologize from you then... but i am some sensitive about when it comes to PKK... i got really cold while reading things about them...
I understand. It´s a very sensitive subject.
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:22 am |
I can answer these for Kadir, who is born out of a Zaza father and a Kurmanci mother.
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
It depends on what chances in life you get from the place you came from. Kadir is studying medicines and nobody ever asked him if he was Turkish or not. He had the same chances and rights for education as any other citizen/Turk in Turkey. But just as Kurdish girls in villages dont really go to school/university, neither do their Turkish village counterparts. In Turkey your rights are not presented to you on a silver platter, you have to reach out for them. And this counts for Turks as well. It is easy talk for Turks in big cities, but their fellow citizins in villages do not have any more chance at a lifeperspective as Kurdish ones.
I am not saying there is no discrimination because I believe there is quite some discrimination (not to mention discrimination of PKK towards Kurds who do not support them, as happend in my boyfriends family), but in Turkey generally life is what you make it: Kadirs parents decided to leave Diyarbakýr and move to Ankara in order to give their children a better chance at education. Any other Kurdish or Turkish family in Diyarbakýr (atthat time) could have decided that as well. And they have, if education was something important in their families at that time.
I agree with Meltem that there arent much pure Turks in Turkey left, and then we could even discuss about what a pure Turk is.. I also agree that it is normal not to mention your nationality. Actually nobody introduces himself that way There is discrimination against Kurds, but as citizens of Turkey they have the same rights as all other inhabitants, and they can achieve the same things as well. But it has to do with choices and circumstances.
(Obviously this is not a closing-answer, it is only 1 case of a good background. I merely wanted to point out that some discrimination about education-job is not true in many cases. Ãncidents in the past have shown us lots about discrimination. And the police in turkey is ´famous´ for being abusive anyway. Oh well this was my addition. It is too easy to just say they are discriminated because they are Kurds and to say that they do not have the same rights)
Very well said Deli_kýzýn...
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