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40.       Merih
933 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 09:56 am

The only solution is to stop fighting and work together for the goodness of all of us.. if we are loosing our soldiers in the battle, they are also loosing their people.. at the end of the day, there is no gain.. but, you know, our voices can not be heard, when there is so much noise.

 

So I just pray for everyone, for our soldiers, and for the PKK to realise what they are doing is wrong and bad.  And there can be no good outcome of it if they keep on killing the people.. If they have invested all the money they have invested in the guns, south east asia could have become one of the richest places.  Such a shame..

41.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 10:29 am

 

Quoting Merih

And this was the funniest comment I have ever heard.. so you think the Kurds want our land because they innocently want to live on their own land?  There is nothing there.. How weird.. There is fuel in Iraq, there is fuel in Caspian Sea, there is fuel everywhere around.. and not there.. come on, grow up.. stop believing in media.. or the media created crisis.. if there is no benefit, no one would have fought about it..  Why doesn´t the other minority groups in Turkey ask for partition?  Did you ever think?  And I don´t know where you are from, but i can say your great grandfathers were not shedding their blood to keep our country and our land together.

 

I had many kurdish friends, and i always liked Kurdish people.. but if we talk about only them being tortured or treated badly, it is not fair.. yesterday somenody was talking about, how things went bad, and how the kurdish people suffered during the 1980 coupe.. for your info, the only people who were tortured badly or whatever was not the Kurds.. it affected everyone living in Turkey who was trying to bring a more independent life. 

 

And it was during our (supressed as azade said - or given up their origin)Kurdish presidents´ time, when all the dams were built in the south east.. when people realised that they were actually not living in a desert.. and of course let´s not forget the fuel issue..  which was located long ago, but not allowed to take it out, and recently rediscovered by an american oil company.. what a coincidence..

 

There is a big picture out there.. young people, specially young kurds who have no choice but join PKK or cooperate with the government and become a betrayers in their own community, soon becomes the target of this newly raised racism.. but actually there is none..  did you know that if you get on a bus and go to that area, the PKK willl stop you on the way, interrogate you, and rob you off?  So what are we talking about.

 

Turkish land has always been a home for many ethnic groups, which doesn´t necessarily mean that they own the land.. and like mltm said, we are all Turk - not genetically, but because we share the land. 

I wrote something recently about the importance of 1980´s torture and specially about diyarbakir prison..(Kurds have been kind of  ´double´ tortured )

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_34039_3

And regarding oil there, according to my searches the oil in the east is a bit of a baloon..

Oil there is too deep and too expensive to bring it up.

But i will say I agree with you in generic terms.

We have to find a way to live together and should stop trying to impose any type of ethnicity to others.

We should stop calling people who dont want to call themselves Turk as traitors. It is like forcing a scott to call himself english (and saying that but ´being english´ refers to being the citizen of this country)

42.       amnariel
138 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 10:35 am

 

Quoting Merih

The only solution is to stop fighting and work together for the goodness of all of us.. if we are loosing our soldiers in the battle, they are also loosing their people.. at the end of the day, there is no gain.. but, you know, our voices can not be heard, when there is so much noise.

 

So I just pray for everyone, for our soldiers, and for the PKK to realise what they are doing is wrong and bad.  And there can be no good outcome of it if they keep on killing the people.. If they have invested all the money they have invested in the guns, south east asia could have become one of the richest places.  Such a shame..

 

I second you Merih

 

 

Talking about who is to blame and when did it all start and why isn´t situation getting better when people are getting killed is disrespectful to THEM. May they rest in peace.

43.       ciko
784 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 11:41 am

 

Quoting WarTrain

As neither Sui or I are Kurdish, perhaps some of our Kurdish members could clarify the situation.

 

Do you feel discriminated against?

Do you feel the police are disrespectful or abusive to you?

Do you every feel uneasy in your day to day life, because of your race?

 

If there are any Kurdish turks left on this site (who have not been chased away by name calling) please let us know

 

as a kurdish who live in Istanbul

 

1.no

2.yes

3.sometimes

 

my answer is no to first question only because i am well educated , have a good job and have no kurdish accent so people dont realise that i am kurdish. but there are millions of kurdish who would answer "yes" all those questions.

 

44.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 11:56 am

 

Quoting ciko

as a kurdish who live in Istanbul

 

1.no

2.yes

3.sometimes

 

my answer is no to first question only because i am well educated , have a good job and have no kurdish accent so people dont realise that i am kurdish. but there are millions of kurdish who would answer "yes" all those questions.

 

 And you think that, Thats only related to being Kurd huh? very well pointing out

45.       ciko
784 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:02 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

And you think that, Thats only related to being Kurd huh? very well pointing out

 

i dont understand what you mean {#lang_emotions_unsure}

46.       Merih
933 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 01:03 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I wrote something recently about the importance of 1980´s torture and specially about diyarbakir prison..(Kurds have been kind of  ´double´ tortured )

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_34039_3

And regarding oil there, according to my searches the oil in the east is a bit of a baloon..

Oil there is too deep and too expensive to bring it up.

But i will say I agree with you in generic terms.

We have to find a way to live together and should stop trying to impose any type of ethnicity to others.

We should stop calling people who dont want to call themselves Turk as traitors. It is like forcing a scott to call himself english (and saying that but ´being english´ refers to being the citizen of this country)

 

 Regarding oil, it is only said that it is too deep, and costly, but i have a family member, who has tried and almost was shot to death.. so I believe it is not a baloon,

 

Anyway, I am glad we agreed.  And I think it is a good sign, which shows if we can stop discussing who did what, but concentrate on how we can heal things, we will succeed.

 

47.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 01:52 pm

 

Quoting ciko

i dont understand what you mean {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

I meant that ciko:

 

To the discrimation ethnicity can play the only role... personally i dont discriminate any person, I directly look at "what they are doing" and "why" more... a few sick peoples making discrimation cannot be load on whole country ...

 

but for other rules, like the abuse of police and etc... near your being kurd, turk and laz doesnt have the major role... what you do, how you behave...

 

 

48.       WarTrain
325 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 01:55 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

but for other rules, like the abuse of police and etc... near your being kurd, turk and laz doesnt have the major role... what you do, how you behave...

 

You are living in a dream world if you believe this!  Are you trying to tell me that the police are not racist? lol

 

I have news for you - nearly ALL police in any country are racist!

49.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 02:06 pm

 

Quoting WarTrain

You are living in a dream world if you believe this!  Are you trying to tell me that the police are not racist? lol

 

I have news for you - nearly ALL police in any country are racist!

 

 Nobody would take a person walking in the street to the jail because of their ethnical roots, if somebody does he also should go into the same jail together...

 

I am not living on a dream world, It is you who just love to exaggarate and glomorize every single thing...

 

you know where we differ... I just have more enlarge scale than what you have... you are only working with a single input... but there are more things have an effect on things to happen...

50.       Merih
933 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 02:08 pm

What do you know about our police or anything, and who are you to judge what is going on?  God has given brains to everyone of us so that we think for ourselves, but it seems some people lost that ability, and believe in what is said in media or by the people who has benefit out of it..  we don´t have a condition for the entry to police force, saying that you have to be of Turkish ethnic group.  And believe me you meet kurdish people everyday in every job or government office.. 

you know nothing about racism, it is there mostly in the developed countries.. It is racism when you don´t get a job, or people simply stop talking to you because you are not one of them,  or you are a potential terrorist everywhere you go.

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