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Early marriage to be focus of study
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 08:50 am |
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Ãf i got you correctly, then...no
Not in all meanings, somethings kept for later...in our religion, customs and traditions at least
Well, I hope you don´t mind that I (and many others) tried if the shoes fit before buying them? 
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 09:43 am |
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Do not be lured into single way missionary traps.
Percentage of unmarried but pregnant 14 year old girls on the streets of USA Canada is very likely to exceed the percentage of Turkish girls married around the same age.(Most of those not pregnant yet are definitely hard at work, experimenting with the idea, anyway)
In Western cultures, it is bad if elders in a society opt to marry a girl at younger ages, usually in dignity and sometimes out of forcing social necessities....What is encouraged in the West are modern ideas like "sex out of marriage is no loss of honor for unmarried girls", "virginity is an old and obsolete concept, who needs it ? " or "homosexuality is ok, if it is one´s own choice".
Edited (6/17/2009) by AlphaF
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 10:52 am |
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Do not be lured into single way missionary traps.
Percentage of unmarried but pregnant 14 year old girls on the streets of USA Canada is very likely to exceed the percentage of Turkish girls married around the same age.(Most of those not pregnant yet are definitely hard at work, experimenting with the idea, anyway)
In Western cultures, it is bad if elders in a society opt to marry a girl at younger ages, usually in dignity and sometimes out of forcing social necessities....What is encouraged in the West are modern ideas like "sex out of marriage is no loss of honor for unmarried girls", "virginity is an old and obsolete concept, who needs it ? " or "homosexuality is ok, if it is one´s own choice".
You have a bit of a point there Alpha, I don´t agree with marriage under the age of consent and I find aspects of the article disgusting.
But we do not condem young girls of 12 and 13 etc, losing their virginity to very often older teenagers and young adults, males, ending up in pregnancy. It is nearly an accepted fact that young girls (and boys) will start to experiment earlier and earlier. If the girl has not properly consented or does not realise what she is getting into, is this not so different from girls being married off at such a young age?
Either way, it is wrong but society allows it to happen and until society changes it views then it will carry on.
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 10:53 am |
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Do not be lured into single way missionary traps.
Percentage of unmarried but pregnant 14 year old girls on the streets of USA Canada is very likely to exceed the percentage of Turkish girls married around the same age.(Most of those not pregnant yet are definitely hard at work, experimenting with the idea, anyway)
In Western cultures, it is bad if elders in a society opt to marry a girl at younger ages, usually in dignity and sometimes out of forcing social necessities....What is encouraged in the West are modern ideas like "sex out of marriage is no loss of honor for unmarried girls", "virginity is an old and obsolete concept, who needs it ? " or "homosexuality is ok, if it is one´s own choice".
In a year since i*ve been gone, not much has changed i see! Alpha you still are unable to rein your over-generalizations about Western culture and ideology in an attempt to portray all that is Turkish as justifiable, reasonable and rational! i*ve been here in Turkey for two years and i hardly find a western girl choosing to lose her virginity comparable to a poor, young eastern turkish girl being married. Yes, maybe she says yes but what would happen if she were to say no? have you read the newspaper in the last two weeks? what has happened to the young lady who recently said no to marrying a young man? and what happened to the young girl who went to visit a dj friend? Lose morals for you but freedom of choice even to make the WRONG choice is far more preferable!
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 12:52 pm |
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Percentage of unmarried but pregnant 14 year old girls on the streets of USA Canada is very likely to exceed the percentage of Turkish girls married around the same age.(Most of those not pregnant yet are definitely hard at work, experimenting with the idea, anyway)
In Western cultures, it is bad if elders in a society opt to marry a girl at younger ages, usually in dignity and sometimes out of forcing social necessities....What is encouraged in the West are modern ideas like "sex out of marriage is no loss of honor for unmarried girls", "virginity is an old and obsolete concept, who needs it ? " or "homosexuality is ok, if it is one´s own choice".
I think you misunderstand western thinking. Sex before marriage and homosexuality are not "encouraged" as such. What is encouraged is simply a MUCH greater emphasis on the rights of the individual.
What is frowned on in the West is any religious or social group attempting to dictate how members of society must behave morally. (The exception is criminal behaviour, but only the government has authority to take action in the area). This is because what one group might consider to be "standards of moral behaviour" is regarded as "unacceptable religious repression" to another.
At the core of western thought is the belief that a person has the right to choose their own actions (so long as they do not interfere with the wellbeing of another). The parallel of this is that no-one has the right to enforce standards of behaviour on another against their will.
For women to choose to preserve their virginity prior to marriage is absolutely their right and of course many women do this. But for a woman to be denied that choice is considered a violation of her human rights.
Likewise homosexuality between consenting adults is deemed acceptable - not because we champion homosexuality but because of the principle that no-one has the right to dictate otherwise.
So it all comes down to basic perception. If you believe that an individual should behave in accordance with strict societal rules the you will see Western thinking as being completely "immoral".
If you believe that the rights of the individual are the most important thing, then you will regard concepts such as "sex before marriage is dishonourable" as being nothing more than religious repression.
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 07:11 pm |
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Virgins of the world, unite !
All you have to lose is your virginity !
Paris Hilton (or was it Hugh Heffner?)
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 07:31 pm |
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Well, I hope you don´t mind that I (and many others) tried if the shoes fit before buying them?
....and how about undies.....? Sometimes I see used underpants for sale in flea markets, I never could imagine who might buy them, but I guess some do.
Here it´s against the law to try on intimate apparel. If you purchase anything of that sort, you can not return it....even if you claim you did not wear it.
Edited (6/17/2009) by alameda
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 07:36 pm |
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I think you misunderstand western thinking. Sex before marriage and homosexuality are not "encouraged" as such. What is encouraged is simply a MUCH greater emphasis on the rights of the individual.
What is frowned on in the West is any religious or social group attempting to dictate how members of society must behave morally. (The exception is criminal behaviour, but only the government has authority to take action in the area). This is because what one group might consider to be "standards of moral behaviour" is regarded as "unacceptable religious repression" to another.
At the core of western thought is the belief that a person has the right to choose their own actions (so long as they do not interfere with the wellbeing of another). The parallel of this is that no-one has the right to enforce standards of behaviour on another against their will.
For women to choose to preserve their virginity prior to marriage is absolutely their right and of course many women do this. But for a woman to be denied that choice is considered a violation of her human rights.
Likewise homosexuality between consenting adults is deemed acceptable - not because we champion homosexuality but because of the principle that no-one has the right to dictate otherwise.
So it all comes down to basic perception. If you believe that an individual should behave in accordance with strict societal rules the you will see Western thinking as being completely "immoral".
If you believe that the rights of the individual are the most important thing, then you will regard concepts such as "sex before marriage is dishonourable" as being nothing more than religious repression.
Welcome back, Aenigma!
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 08:06 pm |
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Really? 
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 08:08 pm |
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In a year since i*ve been gone, not much has changed i see! Alpha you still are unable to rein your over-generalizations about Western culture and ideology in an attempt to portray all that is Turkish as justifiable, reasonable and rational! i*ve been here in Turkey for two years and i hardly find a western girl choosing to lose her virginity comparable to a poor, young eastern turkish girl being married. Yes, maybe she says yes but what would happen if she were to say no? have you read the newspaper in the last two weeks? what has happened to the young lady who recently said no to marrying a young man? and what happened to the young girl who went to visit a dj friend? Lose morals for you but freedom of choice even to make the WRONG choice is far more preferable!
Always lovely to see you here canim! Thank god you haven´t changed either, as always eloquent and reasonable! 
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17 Jun 2009 Wed 08:19 pm |
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Really?
I thought it, but I can be very wrong....
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