hi, i would like to know more about ler and lar,

i know , ler and lar is use in the situation of more than one people, but sth i confused, such like ,

iyi aksamlar, tesekkurler, terbritler, ,,,,,,

it is the same to said to one people or one group of people?

i guess the same, so that make me confused, thank you for your reply!

Such patterns like "iyi akşamlar, teşekkürler", whether used for just one or more than one people, almost always are used in plural forms. And you have to just memorize them "as-is".

İyi seyirler
İyi tatiller
Mutlu akşamlar
İyi sabahlar
Tatlı uykular
Mutlu yarınlar


[Note: In Turkish almost every noun, whether abstract or concrete, if not already countable, can be made countable, thus can take the suffix "ler/lar"

ekmekler, düşler, öğütler, bilinçler, sular, çaylar, etc.]

But in other situations like ordering tea, when I said

"iki c,aylar", I've been corrected and told to say

'iki c,ay'

I think with pleasantries, the plural is adds for emphasis as

mutlu yillar,

hoş geldiniz Gülme
çok tesekkür edirim.

May be I am being dumb, but what are "accountable" and "unaccountables" - only time I have ever heard this is in accountancy! Do you mean when counting (accountable) or using numbers (ie. 3 ducks) or when not counting (unaccountables)?

It is still possible to make nouns such as money, bread, water, rain, into plural form. I suppose when you break down my examples you will understand how or why

only because we dont need to count ...unless it is specified 'exactly how much money is in the box? Or how many streams of water from various sources?
What is the volume of the water?

the money is there in the box... the 'money' is pictured in your mind, an uncountable amount

the monies are there in the box...here, the 'monies' from different sources of an uncountable amount are in the box.

the water is receding... one stream of water of an uncountable volume of water molecules

the waters are receding... the various streams of water of an unknown volume of water from unknown resources are receding.

the bread is on the table...an unknown amount of bread is on the table.

the breads are on the table...an unknown amount of varying types of bread are on the table.

if you can make 'sky' plural to skies...
of course you can make almost any noun to a plural.
It changes the meaning of the noun from a simple plural to a varying plural

money (unknown amount of coin, paper, etc)
monies (unknown amount of sources of coins, etc)
water (unknown volume of water)
waters (unknown amount of streams, rivers, resources of an unknown volume of water)
bread (unknown amount of bread)
breads (unknown amount of types of an unknown amount of bread)

these are a few examples

I would try to put 'luck' or 'thank' to plural in a sentence but that might make my brain explode!

i guess most of it it is not what i expect it, but thank you anyway, remmeber, do always make simple become complicated.

but i have one more question. about efendim

in turkish , always ,,,,,efendim, does that the same when you said to the female and male.

again, that is simple, just a little explanation can make me clear. thank you very much!

Well it is a long time since I had an English lesson, and I stand corrected, I have checked my BIG dictionary tonight and low and behold there they are. But I can truely say, we would never use countable or uncountable when referring things you can or cannot count in a conversation.

Monies is also used in the UK but normally to do with something legal when referring to money. For example when selling or buying a house, or money exchanging hands in a divorce settlement. It is a term that solicitors use.

[QUOTEING PANTA REI] Google says :
3.220.000 hits for countable (well, around 10 of them should be mine
and around 1.200.000 for uncountable.
There are also 9.860 hits for noncountable.
1.170 incountable.
2 imcountable.
6 nocountable.
83.300 discountable.
8 dicountable.
I have seen 1 non-dicountable.
1 decountable.
12500 recountable
2050 unrecountable
2 nonrecountable

That's all I could imagine.
][[QUOTEING PANTA REI] Google says :
3.220.000 hits for countable (well, around 10 of them should be mine
and around 1.200.000 for uncountable.
There are also 9.860 hits for noncountable.
1.170 incountable.
2 imcountable.
6 nocountable.
83.300 discountable.
8 dicountable.
I have seen 1 non-dicountable.
1 decountable.
12500 recountable
2050 unrecountable
2 nonrecountable /QUOTE]

TOO FUNNY! pLz...now can someone explain to me how to use these quote boxes?

Maybe there is a difference in usage between English English and American English?

And.. considering we were already mixed up, imagine how many others just might have used it wrong..

I see...

I think the major differenc in the english language and turkish language is that in the English language we freak out on adding too many suffixes to the end of our words.
hehehe so we add more words in front of them instead.
Whereas in Turkish it seems the suffixes are endless.

Yes, thats where I thought the big amount of countables and uncountables could come from.

When I did my English oral exam, in advance I had to determine whether I was going to talk English English or Amerian English. We had to learn different words throughout the year and you couldnt use American ones if you choose English and vice versa. Also the pronounciation.

By the way, I thought 'rubbish' could only be used as, nonsense, not in the sense of 'çöp'

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Quote 23 May 2007 Wed 04:25 pm

Quoting TeresaJana:

I see...

I think the major differenc in the english language and turkish language is that in the English language we freak out on adding too many suffixes to the end of our words.
hehehe so we add more words in front of them instead.
Whereas in Turkish it seems the suffixes are endless.




What does this to do with "countable" and "uncountable" cases?

][/helps...Ive fallings in theses quotes box and cants gets outs!! countables and uncountables QUOTE helps
did i dos the 2 quoteses boxeses rights this timeses?]

There are 'rules' to the plurals and their uses.
that's all.

just click the button 'QUOTE' and type where [/QUOTE ] stops. If you type before the 'closure' of quote (a slash means a certain code is closed, finished) your message comes inside of the quoted part.

If you want to respond to just one sentence, quote it all b ut then delete the other sentences in the messagebox, WİTHOUT deleting anything of the code.

Its really simple. Just click quote and you will see

libralady - tell us your honest feeling. Which one do you like most -British or American English?

please , stop it, all of you are going too tooo toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far

and so are you!

whoa! looks like i missed something here!! damn time difference!!

i didn't think -ler and -lar would cause so much controversy...

However google gives so much more results for "ard arda" than for "art arda". And considering it shows results for even single word in phrases, e.g. for only "art" as in "art ayaklar" or even for the english "art"), the result becomes more striking.

971000 hits for "ard arda"
787000 hits for "art arda"
230000 hits for "ardarda" (which obviously is wrong spelling.)