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abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 07:53 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting alameda: Every woman does not share your goals of a unisex world. |
Nobody wants a "unisex" world, but complacency and being under the false illusion that we have equal rights in the west because the law says so, is ignorance.
Just in the news yesterday:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7186378.stm
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 07:55 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting Elisabeth: I hate to be a thread spoiler, but has anyone concidered that neither the woman or the man have the right to decide whether a child lives or dies. You are casually speaking of the blantant disregard for the sanctity of human life. Who has more of a right to end a human life?
I have spent a lot of time working on the other side of this issue (Pro Life) and you are wrong if you think many women don't regret it and that it is a big problem. It seems the woman in the famous Roe V. Wade case does herself. I don't have any fancy statistics to to back me up but I have known many women personally who deeply regret their decision. That's not to say that a vast majority have an abortion and then feel releaved but you shouldn't discount the ones who do as a small statistic. |
So where do you stand on these issues?
To carry on with a pregnancy the women puts her life in danger
The child will be a severly brain damaged or disabled and dependent for the rest of its "life"
The child is a product of rape
The child is a product of insest
Just wondering how pro-life see that. |
I personally am against abortion at any cost. So, your baby has a disability...we all have disabilities as far as I'm concerned. People who view this as a burden, have absoultely no idea what joy these kids bring to many families.
So your raped or insest, even how detramental that is to a person shouldn't be a reason to kill their own flesh and blood. There is an alternative called adoption.
I believe many women want to take the easy way out. How many women really get pregnant intentionally, not many that I know. So you suck it up and deal with it. If your not ready to have a child, then there are plenty of people in this world who would love to have a baby and can't. But to think another women raising my child...I just can't bare to think about that. So I would rather kill it instead of having to deal with all of those emotions tied to giving it up. I always thought women who gave up their babies were doing the most selfless act of all. I would rather see a women give their child up for adoption and to have some hope than no hope at all.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 07:58 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting Elisabeth: I hate to be a thread spoiler, but has anyone concidered that neither the woman or the man have the right to decide whether a child lives or dies. You are casually speaking of the blantant disregard for the sanctity of human life. Who has more of a right to end a human life?
I have spent a lot of time working on the other side of this issue (Pro Life) and you are wrong if you think many women don't regret it and that it is a big problem. It seems the woman in the famous Roe V. Wade case does herself. I don't have any fancy statistics to to back me up but I have known many women personally who deeply regret their decision. That's not to say that a vast majority have an abortion and then feel releaved but you shouldn't discount the ones who do as a small statistic. |
So where do you stand on these issues?
To carry on with a pregnancy the women puts her life in danger
The child will be a severly brain damaged or disabled and dependent for the rest of its "life"
The child is a product of rape
The child is a product of insest
Just wondering how pro-life see that. |
This is obviously a trap so that you will be able to tell me how stupid I am....I am sure you don't live under a rock and know exactly what the Pro Life stance is on abortion.
I don't expect anyone to agree with me. In fact, I fully expect most people to post angry responses telling me how stupid I am for believing in such non sense. But I will be brave and tell you how I personally feel about the subject. On the issue of a womans health being in danger...I have been there myself and I put it in Gods hands, prayed a lot and his will was done. For all the other questions, I would do the same but never in my mind would the answer be to have an abortion. These are not standards I expect every person to be able to live by but I pray that women consider that no matter how a child is conceived, the child inside them is innocent and deserves an opportunity to be loved. In MY OPINION, adoption is the only answer that I would consider if for some reason I found I was unable to love the child I am carrying. Do I think this fantasy of compassion and respect for life will ever come to pass....I don't think so....but I continue to pray.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:08 pm |
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I respect your views Elisabeth and can see your point of view very well. I have mixed feelings about this subject - if you ban abortion it will be forced into back streets and women will die again.
In my opinion BOTH men and women should start being far more responsible about contraception. There is REALLY NO EXCUSE for unplanned pregnancy...NONE.
Out of interest, what is Pro-Life's view about the morning-after pill?
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:10 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I respect your views Elisabeth and can see your point of view very well. I have mixed feelings about this subject - if you ban abortion it will be forced into back streets and women will die again.
In my opinion BOTH men and women should start being far more responsible about contraception. There is REALLY NO EXCUSE for unplanned pregnancy...NONE. |
I absolutely agree with you about unplanned pregnancies. I also know you are right about a ban on abortion going to the backstreets which is why I could only speak for myself.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:14 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting AEnigma III: I respect your views Elisabeth and can see your point of view very well. I have mixed feelings about this subject - if you ban abortion it will be forced into back streets and women will die again.
In my opinion BOTH men and women should start being far more responsible about contraception. There is REALLY NO EXCUSE for unplanned pregnancy...NONE. |
I absolutely agree with you about unplanned pregnancies. I also know you are right about a ban on abortion going to the backstreets which is why I could only speak for myself. |
Sorry, I added something to my post which you probably missed. I am interested to know Pro-Life's (or your)view about the morning after pill.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:19 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting AEnigma III: I respect your views Elisabeth and can see your point of view very well. I have mixed feelings about this subject - if you ban abortion it will be forced into back streets and women will die again.
In my opinion BOTH men and women should start being far more responsible about contraception. There is REALLY NO EXCUSE for unplanned pregnancy...NONE. |
I absolutely agree with you about unplanned pregnancies. I also know you are right about a ban on abortion going to the backstreets which is why I could only speak for myself. |
Sorry, I added something to my post which you probably missed. I am interested to know Pro-Life's (or your)view about the morning after pill. |
I know the organization that I volunteer with is against it. I am as well.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:19 pm |
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AEnigma said: "if you ban abortion it will be forced into back streets and women will die again."
For sure, just who's life is it who is being protected, the one who is already here, or the one on the way?
AEnigma said: Out of interest, what is Pro-Life's view about the morning-after pill?
I'm pretty sure the morning-after pill is a no no for the Pro-Life group.
AEnigma said: "In my opinion BOTH men and women should start being far more responsible about contraception. There is REALLY NO EXCUSE for unplanned pregnancy...NONE."
That would be nice if it were so simple. The reality is birth control methods for sexually active persons do sometimes fail. There are methods that give a high rate of efficiency, but none of them are totaly fail proof.
We need more education on the subject, and more research on the matter.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:24 pm |
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Quoting alameda: That would be nice if it were so simple. The reality is birth control methods for sexually active persons do sometimes fail. There are methods that give a high rate of efficiency, but none of them are totaly fail proof. |
I agree contraception can SOMETIMES fail - but the fact is that most unplanned pregancies are because "my boyfriend doesn't like the feel of condoms"!!!! Unfortunately this is fact and comes from statistics taken from the Marie Stokes Foundation. The pill is 99% effective as are many other forms of contraception. They fail when they are used irresponsibly.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:27 pm |
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Quote:
That would be nice if it were so simple. The reality is birth control methods for sexually active persons do sometimes fail. There are methods that give a high rate of efficiency, but none of them are totaly fail proof.
We need more education on the subject, and more research on the matter. |
Has anyone ever heard of abstinense? OH...I know...I need to get with the program...but I have never heard of anyone dying because they didn't have sex and it is 100% effective.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:29 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Has anyone ever heard of abstinense? |
 
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