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Turkish students hold a minute of silence for Palestinian childeren
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 01:53 pm |
Students hold minute of silence for Palestinian casualties Turkish students fell silent for one minute as a mark of respect to those Palestinians who lost their lives as part of the Israeli raids. At 11 a.m. yesterday, students across Turkey stood for a minute-long silence after a nationwide decree from the Ministry of Education.
Minister of Education Hüseyin Çelik asked students to remember the Palestinian students and children who have lost their lives in the offensive that Israel began 17 days ago. The death toll had risen to more than 900 as of yesterday and includes at least 380 civilians.
Teachers told students that Palestinian children have no chance to go to warm homes and sleep well at night: "Even if it is just for one minute, we want to show them that we put ourselves in their place and we are at their side."
The ministry´s decree also indicated that a drawing competition with the topic of the "humanitarian drama in Palestine" will be open to students at primary and secondary schools to show solidarity with the Palestinian people.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=164040&bolum=101
How wrong and annoying that is !!!
what would a jewish student among those kids would think?
how would they know what is a jew, who is a jew at that age etc..?
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:10 pm |
Thumbs up to all those who stand with the palestinian cause.
What is happening in Gaza these days is brutal and barbarian.
So was the bombing on Kana, etc etc etc...
Although I am not very interested in the political issues, but all those children and aged men and women should make anyone to stop and think...
and the ALL LEADERS should intervene to make it stop.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:18 pm |
Thumbs up to all those who stand with the palestinian cause.
What is happening in Gaza these days is brutal and barbarian.
So was the bombing on Kana, etc etc etc...
Although I am not very interested in the political issues, but all those children and aged men and women should make anyone to stop and think...
and the ALL LEADERS should intervene to make it stop.
I agree mostly with what you are saying but I find all those childeren MADE to do this ´in a compulsary fashion´ quite wrong..
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:27 pm |
Hi, im from Israel.
I just wanted to remind you all the turks who judje Israel badly because of this situation, about the Armenians.
Many talk too much about Israel and how bad we are, but you dont even know our side of the story, and most of you dont even want to hear. and you forgot what YOU did to the Armenians!
Our hospitals accept and want to help injured people from Gaza, and we help most of them! why no one cares about that?
Everyone judje just by what they watch on TV, havent you noticed that sometimes they tell lies? even about you? what about the Hamas killing us? no one heard of that, for sure!
Before you judje, know what you judje, know both sides of the story... and it´s not that hard, im sure there are many Israelis on the net to explain you whats going on in here.
Im sad for both of the sides. sad about all the innocent people that died from our fire and Hamas´s fire.
Salam aleikum!
שלום עלינו!
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:30 pm |
How wrong and annoying that is !!!
what would a jewish student among those kids would think?
how would they know what is a jew, who is a jew at that age etc..?
How wrong and annoying to pay respect to children/students who got/get killed there ?!!!
à guess the normal thing anyone jew/muslim/christian/..whatever to think its wrong to kill children
Ãf jew student think its ok...i guess the problem would be within him!
The problem is not the jews attack the Palestinians,its israel attacking them !
From the report i saw in the news,they also tell the historical backgrounds of the problem,so they would understand what is going on and why.
All my respect to the The Turkish Ministry of Education.
We havent done it here!
Although students did it by themselves.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:32 pm |
I hope it won´t come to a situation which teach all these children to hate us just because of our nationality. its WRONG to teach children to hate, what about peace?
no one has chosen to be born as he is! whats the difference between you and me? bwe are all human, and im sure most of us want to live their lives peacefully.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:38 pm |
Our hospitals accept and want to help injured people from Gaza, and we help most of them! why no one cares about that?
Actually hadar,killing them and their families,then treat them in your hospitals ...doesnt count!
Ãm sorry,but you surely doesnt expect anyone to appreciate that you ´army´ burn those people then offer to cure them !
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:39 pm |
How wrong and annoying that is !!!
what would a jewish student among those kids would think?
how would they know what is a jew, who is a jew at that age etc..?
they hold minute`s silence at my school for those who died in the world trade center? what would muslim students think? your argument is as absurd as this one. what do Jews have to do with what Israel does?
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:41 pm |
How wrong and annoying to pay respect to children/students who got/get killed there ?!!!
à guess the normal thing anyone jew/muslim/christian/..whatever to think its wrong to kill children
Ãf jew student think its ok...i guess the problem would be within him!
The problem is not the jews attack the Palestinians,its israel attacking them !
From the report i saw in the news,they also tell the historical backgrounds of the problem,so they would understand what is going on and why.
All my respect to the The Turkish Ministry of Education.
We havent done it here!
Although students did it by themselves.
I dont think you do get it!!

What do you expect a child THINK at that age looking at those pictures?
What if there is a jewish child among them?
Look at their age!!.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:43 pm |
Before you judje, know what you judje, know both sides of the story... and it´s not that hard, im sure there are many Israelis on the net to explain you whats going on in here.
Im sad for both of the sides. sad about all the innocent people that died from our fire and Hamas´s fire.
Salam aleikum!
שלום עלינו!
All the world know both sides of the story. your terrorist country have been firing the middle east for 61 years by help of US, f.cking arab kings and UN. dont be martry here. i am sad for all innocent people too.. but i wonder how many innocent israel people have been died in last one year. you should wonder what have made Hamas attack you. and you should wonder if your country obeyed the rules of truce? i personally see every israeli who went and deforced land of palestinian as an occupier. and i see UN that founded as an occupier. and i see British government that gathered jews in Palestinian land as an occupier. by the way thank you for accepting few injured people to your modern beautiful hospitals. how good your government is! We appreciate it.
OMG ! I am so angry 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:44 pm |
I hope it won´t come to a situation which teach all these children to hate us just because of our nationality. its WRONG to teach children to hate, what about peace?
no one has chosen to be born as he is! whats the difference between you and me? bwe are all human, and im sure most of us want to live their lives peacefully.
à agree with you.
But actually we dont teach children anything...they watch it on TV !
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:46 pm |
Do u even know how everythýng started?
tell me, if someone bombs ur country for 8 years, would you keep shut up? im sorry for all the innocent people there, but the Hamas works in schools and where people live! they even FORCE people to let them work in their houses! even some children there think its the Hamas´s fault.
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:46 pm |
by the way thank you for accepting few injured people to your modern beautiful histories.
OMG ! I am so angry 
hospitals???
calm down chiko
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:48 pm |
hospitals???
calm down chiko
opssssssss i just corrected it you can see how angry i am about this thank you btw
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:50 pm |
CANLI ive never said u teach it, i just hope it won´t get that far...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:50 pm |
I think one can not judge all the jews as the same...
I am sure that there are some jews people who did not agree with this war.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:50 pm |
Do u even know how everythýng started?
tell me, if someone bombs ur country for 8 years, would you keep shut up? im sorry for all the innocent people there, but the Hamas works in schools and where people live! they even FORCE people to let them work in their houses! even some children there think its the Hamas´s fault.
May Allah help hamas
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:52 pm |
they hold minute`s silence at my school for those who died in the world trade center? what would muslim students think? your argument is as absurd as this one. what do Jews have to do with what Israel does?
I dont think you get the point either here..
They are just childeren!!!
Look at the picture they are holding..
In schools, they should not teach hating a nation..Do you expect those childeren will think very highly about jews at that age..
Do you really think 6-7 years old child will know the difference between a jew and an israeli?
Do you think they will understand that ´all those killing is done my the right wing israeli goverment , you can not held all jews responsible´?
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:53 pm |
I dont think you do get it!!
What do you expect a child THINK at that age looking at those pictures?
What if there is a jewish child among them?
Look at their age!!.
No,i dont think YOU get it !
Children are dying there ,who didnt became crippled,or in best guessing just lost few family members
What do you think those children feel or be like.
And you want even to deny them a little support from other children in the world because of what a jewish child would think ?!
Actually a jewish child should think same as others...those children should NOT got killed!
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:53 pm |
I think one can not judge all the jews as the same...
I am sure that there are some jews people who did not agree with this war.
i think most of jews who dont live in Israel are against this war. But 90 % people in Israel support it.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:54 pm |
May Allah help hamas
That´s sick, Chico. May a non-existent deity assist a recognised terrorist organsation? And what does religion have to do with wars of territory?
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:56 pm |
No,i dont think YOU get it !
Children are dying there ,who didnt became crippled,or in best guessing just lost few family members
What do you think those children feel or be like.
And you want even to deny them a little support from other children in the world because of what a jewish child would think ?!
Actually a jewish child should think same as others...those children should NOT got killed!
I think you´re missing the point. It´s different to tell them children are dying worldwide and to shock them with pictures that are considered to have adult content. I suppose it´s ok to have a minute of silence in honour of any events but to show eight-year-olds corpses covered with blood is extreme. At least that´s not what I´d like my child to be forced to see.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:57 pm |
i know what i am saying. i hate links You just want Hamas to give up as other assholes like Abbas and Al Fatih. that is why i say " may Allah help Hamas". Someone has to resist !
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:57 pm |
Chiko, you dont even understand what Hamas does to their people! jsut watch what i sent u, watch the link i posted here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE
They kill not only me, not only israelis and jews...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:57 pm |
Again you are saying jewish !
Ok......
hadar,you are jewish i guess,please tell handsom,is it in your religion that you should kill other people ?!
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:59 pm |
May a non-existent deity assist a recognised terrorist organsation
Let me decide what i believe in. and let me decide who i want to see as terrorist organisation... as you said " such things are relative "...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:00 pm |
Chiko, you dont even understand what Hamas does to their people! jsut watch what i sent u, watch the link i posted here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE
They kill not only me, not only israelis and jews...
there is no need for posting these kind of propaganda videos here. I can find so many of them with a Palestinian point of view too. we are not unaware of the history of this region.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:03 pm |
CANLI, this is for handsom: In Judaism we dont even talk about other religions. not in a good way and not in a bad way.
again, NO ONE HAS CHOSEN TO BE BORN AS HE IS, WHY DO PEOPLE JUDJE BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS?
ive never judjes muslims and christians, actually i have many arab friends (muslims and christians) in Israel.
every nationality and religion has its own bad and good people.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:03 pm |
That´s sick, Chico. May a non-existent deity assist a recognised terrorist organsation? And what does religion have to do with wars of territory?
I just wonder if neither of the Abrahamic religions claimed that part of the world as their holy real estate, if the situation in that region wouldn´t look different by now.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:04 pm |
CANLI, this is for handsom: In Judaism we dont even talk about other religions. not in a good way and not in a bad way.
again, NO ONE HAS CHOSEN TO BE BORN AS HE IS, WHY DO PEOPLE JUDJE BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS?
ive never judjes muslims and christians, actually i have many arab friends (muslims and christians) in Israel.
every nationality and religion has its own bad and good people.
who did judge Jews here? I think we were talking about Israel.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:04 pm |
Again you are saying jewish !
Ok......
hadar,you are jewish i guess,please tell handsom,is it in your religion that you should kill other people ?!
What does religion have to do with it?
It is about land not how you bend when praying 
Is it in Islam you may blow yourself up and kill other people, Canli?
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:05 pm |
Hadar , i am sad to say this but Turkish people will never be as before to Israel. i can tell you that every person around me ( office , home, friends ) now hate your country. your governmet just created this hatred. i hope you can fix it one day.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:05 pm |
Let me decide what i believe in. and let me decide who i want to see as terrorist organisation... as you said " such things are relative "...
sure they are, i just voiced my personal opinion that anybody supporting bloodshed is sick
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:07 pm |
sure they are, i just voiced my personal opinion that anybody supporting bloodshed is sick
Im with you 
ok im going to eat now, Ãyi günler 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:08 pm |
What does religion have to do with it?
It is about land not how you bend when praying 
Is it in Islam you may blow yourself up and kill other people, Canli?
Then you better tell this to handsom not me
We are talking about israel not jew
You better read the other posts DD and you would understand what i said.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:12 pm |
Do u even know how everythýng started?
tell me, if someone bombs ur country for 8 years, would you keep shut up? im sorry for all the innocent people there, but the Hamas works in schools and where people live! they even FORCE people to let them work in their houses! even some children there think its the Hamas´s fault.
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE
Please note that it has been firing for the last 3 years only, and nobody was killed until today.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:13 pm |
I dont think you get the point either here..
They are just childeren!!!
Look at the picture they are holding..
In schools, they should not teach hating a nation..Do you expect those childeren will think very highly about jews at that age..
Do you really think 6-7 years old child will know the difference between a jew and an israeli?
Do you think they will understand that ´all those killing is done my the right wing israeli goverment , you can not held all jews responsible´?
They are teaching kids to be sensitive about the lost lives, what is wrong with that.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:14 pm |
sure they are, i just voiced my personal opinion that anybody supporting bloodshed is sick
Bloodshed eh ? i wonder do you expect Hamas to stay silent when 1,5 million people are imprisoned in 360 km2 ( as big as s amll town in London ) with no food and drink? do you expect them to think logically? funny guys!!!
i am just supporting them to resist agains imperial powers for years.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:15 pm |
You just want Hamas to give up as other assholes like Abbas and Al Fatih. that is why i say " may Allah help Hamas". Someone has to resist !
+1
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:15 pm |
Then you better tell this to handsom not me
We are talking about israel not jew
You better read the other posts DD and you would understand what i said.
I did read it and I took it as a mental leap where he meant Isreali but said Jews
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:17 pm |
Let me decide what i believe in. and let me decide who i want to see as terrorist organisation... as you said " such things are relative "...
Hamas is considered terrorist by US, Canada, EU and Israel... sooo???? how about the other countries, who think they are not terrorists? don´t they count?
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:20 pm |
Bloodshed eh ? i wonder do you expect Hamas to stay silent when 1,5 million people are imprisoned in 360 km2 ( as big as s amll town in London ) with no food and drink? do you expect them to think logically? funny guys!!!
i am just supporting them to resist agains imperial powers for years.
So it is logical to kill not the people who imprisoned them but innocent children and accidental passers-by?
Merih as for sensitivity, I agree, but I disagree with showing dead people and tormented bodies to children, especially at school. Tell about it but don´t show it. Can you imagine nightmares some may have afterwards? I think there´s a reason why content of what children can be allowed to watch is usually censored.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:21 pm |
Then you better tell this to handsom not me
We are talking about israel not jew
You better read the other posts DD and you would understand what i said.
You STILL DONT GET THE POINT!!
They are childeren..Even most of the adults dont get the difference between jews and israelies..
It is wrong..It does not matter in your country it is done collectively..
It is wrong and wrong..
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:22 pm |
Hi, im from Israel.
I just wanted to remind you all the turks who judje Israel badly because of this situation, about the Armenians.
Many talk too much about Israel and how bad we are, but you dont even know our side of the story, and most of you dont even want to hear. and you forgot what YOU did to the Armenians!
Our hospitals accept and want to help injured people from Gaza, and we help most of them! why no one cares about that?
Everyone judje just by what they watch on TV, havent you noticed that sometimes they tell lies? even about you? what about the Hamas killing us? no one heard of that, for sure!
Before you judje, know what you judje, know both sides of the story... and it´s not that hard, im sure there are many Israelis on the net to explain you whats going on in here.
Im sad for both of the sides. sad about all the innocent people that died from our fire and Hamas´s fire.
Salam aleikum!
שלום עלינו!
Sitting down in Israel, you don´t know anything about the Armenians... and how easily you forget that the Ottoman Empire were the only one to accept you people in their own country when the Spanish Kicked you out at the end of 16th century???
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:23 pm |
Sitting down in Israel, you don´t know anything about the Armenians... and how easily you forget that the Ottoman Empire were the only one to accept you people in their own country when the Spanish Kicked you out at the end of 16th century???
So, Hadar being Israeli knows nothing about Armenians but Turks know everything about Israel? Now that´s good food for thought...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:24 pm |
You STILL DONT GET THE POINT!!
They are childeren..Even most of the adults dont get the difference between jews and israelies..
It is wrong..It does not matter in your country it is done collectively..
It is wrong and wrong..
You know what, most of the Jews in Turkey go to their own Jewish school.. so I will be very surprised if there is any among them...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:25 pm |
So, Hadar being Israeli knows nothing about Armenians but Turks know everything about Israel? Now that´s good food for thought...
Since the topic is Israle´s attack on Gaza, this has got nothing to do with it.... and by the way, we are witnessing the bloodshed now with our own eyes... How about the so called Armenian genocide? Did you see anything with your own eyes?
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:25 pm |
You know what, most of the Jews in Turkey go to their own Jewish school.. so I will be very surprised if there is any among them...
I feel like Thehandsom and I are talking to a wall. Adult content should not be shown to children!!!
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:25 pm |
So it is logical to kill not the people who imprisoned them but innocent children and accidental passers-by?
I think no matter how many people die in Palestine, Israel and naive people who believe its propaganda will always repeating the same " how can hamas kill innocent people?" even though the number of ones being killed in palestine are 1000 times bigger than ones in Israel. awwwwwwwwwwwwwww yerim sizin humanizminizi.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:27 pm |
Since the topic is Israle´s attack on Gaza, this has got nothing to do with it.... and by the way, we are witnessing the bloodshed now with our own eyes... How about the so called Armenian genocide? Did you see anything with your own eyes?
I´m not THAT old. BUt some people claim it did happen. It´s your choice who you believe. And you´re not in Israel you cannot see what really goes on there. Like I said earlier, everything is up to interpretation and who´s right is relative 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:28 pm |
I feel like Thehandsom and I are talking to a wall. Adult content should not be shown to children!!!
Are you scared of having any more Hamas fighter ? (Joke) i agree with you about this. Chidren should not be object of any war or politics.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:28 pm |
I think no matter how many people die in Palestine, Israel and naive people who believe its propaganda will always repeating the same " how can hamas kill innocent people?" even though the number of ones being killed in palestine are 1000 times bigger than ones in Israel. awwwwwwwwwwwwwww yerim sizin humanizminizi.
Something to add... today a doctor from Gaza, who was supporting Israel - as he said Hamas is responsile for the killings - said he hasn´t even seen one militant in the hospital - injured or dead - up to date...
So Israel is really good at hitting targets ha? And it is actually good to kill 1000 people and say that someone else is responsible for it.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:30 pm |
I think no matter how many people die in Palestine, Israel and naive people who believe its propaganda will always repeating the same " how can hamas kill innocent people?" even though the number of ones being killed in palestine are 1000 times bigger than ones in Israel. awwwwwwwwwwwwwww yerim sizin humanizminizi.
ben yerim sizinki de...
If somebody steals my cow it´s a sin. If I steal somebody´s cow, it was justified.
So, Hamas hasn´t killed innocent people, they´re a bunch of peace-loving jolly fellows who breed goats and sheep and plant flowers. Then came the Jews (Israelis) with their claws and teeth and started killing them for absolutely not reason. Fine, that´s convincing.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:30 pm |
I´m not THAT old. BUt some people claim it did happen. It´s your choice who you believe. And you´re not in Israel you cannot see what really goes on there. Like I said earlier, everything is up to interpretation and who´s right is relative 
Well, I can watch on the TV - of course not CNN and BBC - what is going on.. and don´t tell me it is a propoganda TV - the video and the pictures speak for itself...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:31 pm |
I did read it and I took it as a mental leap where he meant Isreali but said Jews
Ãts not same
Jewish is ones religion where israeli is the nationality
à dont condemn jewish by israel´s action,but i sure condemn israel!
No one would like for the children to know or see those kind of events or actions,no one would like for the kids to dream of fire and bombing instead of garden and roses
But that is luxry we dont actually have here in our area..where you can have it there .
Ãn israel they teach their children sending rockets to the palestinians is nice presents can be sent on new years or something ´Tam posted the pictures before´
Our children watch what those presents did to their relatives in Palestine,we dont force them to watch anything,we try not to let them watch it too so they can sleep the night peacefully.
But that is something you actually cant hide.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:31 pm |
Are you scared of having any more Hamas fighter ? (Joke) i agree with you about this. Chidren should not be object of any war or politics.
As long as they´re not after blonde atheists living in Ireland I´m ok with new drafts 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:34 pm |
ben yerim sizinki de...
If somebody steals my cow it´s a sin. If I steal somebody´s cow, it was justified.
So, Hamas hasn´t killed innocent people, they´re a bunch of peace-loving jolly fellows who breed goats and sheep and plant flowers. Then came the Jews (Israelis) with their claws and teeth and started killing them for absolutely not reason. Fine, that´s convincing.
Hamas was founded in 1987. i wonder what was Israel´s reason to f.uck up peoples lives before 87 anybody that old?
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:34 pm |
ben yerim sizinki de...
If somebody steals my cow it´s a sin. If I steal somebody´s cow, it was justified.
So, Hamas hasn´t killed innocent people, they´re a bunch of peace-loving jolly fellows who breed goats and sheep and plant flowers. Then came the Jews (Israelis) with their claws and teeth and started killing them for absolutely not reason. Fine, that´s convincing.
There´s a saying in Turkish.. pire için yorgan yakýlmaz... it means you don´t burn your quilt for one tiny flea... even if Hamas was aggressive, it does not give Israle any right to go and kill 1000 civilian, half of them children and women, does it?...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:41 pm |
Canli, I absolutely understand your disgust, I am disgusted by what goes on there as well. I am just saying that the hatered there is on both sides and Israeli children are taught no more hate than Palestinian children are.
What I strongly disagree with is portraying Hamas as innocent sheeps and Israel as a big bad wolf.
And as for Jew-Israeli distinction we all know about it, but we often use mental leaps, which, by definitions are imprecise
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:44 pm |
There´s a saying in Turkish.. pire için yorgan yakýlmaz... it means you don´t burn your quilt for one tiny flea... even if Hamas was aggressive, it does not give Israle any right to go and kill 1000 civilian, half of them children and women, does it?...
Exactly! That´s why I´m not pro-Israeli in this war. I believe they´ve exceeded the amount of violence beyond comprehension. It is merely the call for blood in Muslim world (sorry for that simplification but I suppose you understand what I mean by it) and portraying Palestinians as purely innocent that I object to
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:48 pm |
Exactly! That´s why I´m not pro-Israeli in this war. I believe they´ve exceeded the amount of violence beyond comprehension. It is merely the call for blood in Muslim world (sorry for that simplification but I suppose you understand what I mean by it) and portraying Palestinians as purely innocent that I object to
Well, DD the frustration among us is that, Israel is the strong party, they do censor all the media reports, and whenever they are asked about the casualties, they say that Hamas is responsible... The people likes us, not necessarily Muslim, are not heard.. Hamas may have had a wrong approach, but it does not make an average Palestinian responsible, or Hamas responsible for the killings. Israel is the one who is bombarding a small cage like area without providing humanitarian aid, or international journalists, or officers to the area.
This makes it not acceptable.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:56 pm |
DD,çýko said something you didnt pay attention too
Hamas was founded on 1987... for what ?
And why people supported/support it ?
Because they were living in Heaven and Hamas made it hell for them ?!
Hamas is a reaction of the israelis actions
Ãts resistance,and its legal for nations to resists occupations,even its ther rights to do so.
Ofcourse israel would define it as terrorism..and that goes too for US
And in that case,i dont think Palestinias care less what do they think,and proved it by electing Hamas as their legal government.
So yes,israel is the bad wolf...but thank god,Palestine,hamas isnt a sheep too!
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:01 pm |
Well, DD the frustration among us is that, Israel is the strong party, they do censor all the media reports, and whenever they are asked about the casualties, they say that Hamas is responsible... The people likes us, not necessarily Muslim, are not heard.. Hamas may have had a wrong approach, but it does not make an average Palestinian responsible, or Hamas responsible for the killings. Israel is the one who is bombarding a small cage like area without providing humanitarian aid, or international journalists, or officers to the area.
This makes it not acceptable.
I never said it was acceptable, but as for humanitarian aid, Hadar said otherwise. This of course does not justify the number of victims Israel has created
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:03 pm |
DD,çýko said something you didnt pay attention too
Hamas was founded on 1987... for what ?
And why people supported/support it ?
Because they were living in Heaven and Hamas made it hell for them ?!
Hamas is a reaction of the israelis actions
Ãts resistance,and its legal for nations to resists occupations,even its ther rights to do so.
Ofcourse israel would define it as terrorism..and that goes too for US
And in that case,i dont think Palestinias care less what do they think,and proved it by electing Hamas as their legal government.
So yes,israel is the bad wolf...but thank god,Palestine,hamas isnt a sheep too!
Sorry, with a five-month-old terrorist at home it´s pretty hard to pay attention to everything. Thatnk you for agreeing with me that Hamas is not innocent. That´s all I claimed. 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:05 pm |
Sorry, with a five-month-old terrorist at home it´s pretty hard to pay attention to everything. Thatnk you for agreeing with me that Hamas is not innocent. That´s all I claimed. 
Are you married? oh i am dissapointed 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:05 pm |
I never said it was acceptable, but as for humanitarian aid, Hadar said otherwise. This of course does not justify the number of victims Israel has created

At WWII would a british citizen accept going to Germany for medication ?!
Would you do it ?!
à know i wouldnt !
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:07 pm |
I never said it was acceptable, but as for humanitarian aid, Hadar said otherwise. This of course does not justify the number of victims Israel has created
Hadar is not the one to blame... Israel has not been allowing any journalist to go in there to look for themselves what is actually going on.. According to an int. TV channel, the require Aid is around 540 trucks everyday, but currently only 50 is allowed. So no matter what he says, there is proof showing otherwise.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:13 pm |
Israeli troops kill U.N. truck driver at Gaza crossing
JERUSALEM — Israeli soldiers opened fire Thursday on a truck attempting to deliver humanitarian aid to the beleaguered Gaza Strip, killing one United Nations-contracted driver and seriously wounding another, U.N. officials said.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/59250.html
The Red Cross has accused Israel of failing to fulfil its obligation to help wounded civilians in Gaza.
ICRC staff found four weak and scared children beside their mothers´ bodies in houses hit by shelling in Zeitoun.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7817926.stm
à guess that can give an idea about the humanitarian aid there,opening their ´israeli´s´ hospitals for palestinians is propoganda,hit by the facts that been carried on by israel in Gaza
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 05:05 pm |
i think most of jews who dont live in Israel are against this war. But 90 % people in Israel support it.
Actually 80% of Israelis support this war.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 05:10 pm |
You STILL DONT GET THE POINT!!
They are childeren..Even most of the adults dont get the difference between jews and israelies..
It is wrong..It does not matter in your country it is done collectively..
It is wrong and wrong..
I completely agree with this.... It is wrong to teach hatred to children like this...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:16 pm |
Hi, im from Israel.
I just wanted to remind you all the turks who judje Israel badly because of this situation, about the Armenians.
Many talk too much about Israel and how bad we are, but you dont even know our side of the story, and most of you dont even want to hear. and you forgot what YOU did to the Armenians!
Our hospitals accept and want to help injured people from Gaza, and we help most of them! why no one cares about that?
Everyone judje just by what they watch on TV, havent you noticed that sometimes they tell lies? even about you? what about the Hamas killing us? no one heard of that, for sure!
Before you judje, know what you judje, know both sides of the story... and it´s not that hard, im sure there are many Israelis on the net to explain you whats going on in here.
Im sad for both of the sides. sad about all the innocent people that died from our fire and Hamas´s fire.
Salam aleikum!
שלום עלינו!
before writting such kind of claims please search the truth. You can start your search by Justin Mc Carthy, or www.tallarmeniantale.com or Edward said or Samuel Weems and etc. These people are historian. And learn that The pictures " so called" depicting the armenians killed by Turks are actually stolen from Jewish Tragedy picture. But they have been used as if they belong to armenians. Now it is understood that these picture are pictures showing the jewish. And remember the 1492 year when a majority jewish people hade been saved by Turks from a slaughter. Turks "after a long time searching I can say without any doubt" never committed such kind of crimes. This is because of a lot of reason but one of them is that it is a great sin in Islam. In the war of Gallipoli, an German headquarter (Turks were allied in ww1) proposed to use a chemical gas on the anzac soldiers but Turkish headquarters did not accept to use such kind of weapon for the reason that it would be a great sin. There have been a great propaganda. But there have been no graves including people killed together. They claim there had been a genocide but there have been no graves of them. The grave found in Turkey. An swedish historian claimed. this grave was the grave of armenians killed. Even he said that I have found the graves of so called genocide. He came to Turkey and analized The graves and he concluded that these garves contains Muslims (Kurds Turks Arabs killed by armenian the number is 524.000 )
Can you imagine you say there is jewish genocide but there is no grave for them is it possible. Armenians and the Turks and kurds underwent pain during ww1. This will not give you the right to kill babies. Actually those who killed great Prophet Jesus the christ (I respect him and I respect Moases too, I love them since they are both prophets), was jewish people of that time.
JUST SEARCH AND LEARN THE TRUTH
THERE ARE SOME people having ideas, biases without having knowledge
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:20 pm |
before writting such kind of claims please search the truth. You can start your search by Justin Mc Carthy, or www.tallarmeniantale.com or Edward said or Samuel Weems and etc. These people are historian. And learn that The pictures " so called" depicting the armenians killed by Turks are actually stolen from Jewish Tragedy picture. But they have been used as if they belong to armenians. Now it is understood that these picture are pictures showing the jewish. And remember the 1492 year when a majority jewish people hade been saved by Turks from a slaughter. Turks "after a long time searching I can say without any doubt" never committed such kind of crimes. This is because of a lot of reason but one of them is that it is a great sin in Islam. In the war of Gallipoli, an German headquarter (Turks were allied in ww1) proposed to use a chemical gas on the anzac soldiers but Turkish headquarters did not accept to use such kind of weapon for the reason that it would be a great sin. There have been a great propaganda. But there have been no graves including people killed together. They claim there had been a genocide but there have been no graves of them. The grave found in Turkey. An swedish historian claimed. this grave was the grave of armenians killed. Even he said that I have found the graves of so called genocide. He came to Turkey and analized The graves and he concluded that these garves contains Muslims (Kurds Turks Arabs killed by armenian the number is 524.000 )
Can you imagine you say there is jewish genocide but there is no grave for them is it possible. Armenians and the Turks and kurds underwent pain during ww1. This will not give you the right to kill babies. Actually those who killed great Prophet Jesus the christ (I respect him and I respect Moases too, I love them since they are both prophets), was jewish people of that time.
JUST SEARCH AND LEARN THE TRUTH
THERE ARE SOME people having ideas, biases without having knowledge
That felt good 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:22 pm |
If the Jewish knew what is going on Gaza, they would be opposite of this invasion. Their media do not show the realities. But I can see in television. I saw babies whose faces burnt by phosphorous bomb. and their babies´ legs were cut....
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:27 pm |
Are you all going mad here?Are you all crazy? What is the question here? will you accept your child being traumatized by those pictures and grow with hatred of jews ? (I am saying jews because more than half of Turkish people wont see the difference between right wing israeli goverment and the jews. Even some of the radicals shout ´death to jews´ there!!!) How can you expect 6-7 years old to not be affected by all these and being full of hatred for Jews?
This is WRONG.. In the end I want my child ´not to hate anybody´ when he/she grows up.. It might be hapenning in Egypt and adults may night realize that how wrong they are at these times .. But they are Wrong..Wrong in Egypt, wrong in Turkey. And Turkey is supposed to be secular..You can not assume that ´ah but jews kids go to jews schools´. I am sure there are many jews childeren in non-jews schools too.. What do you think they might be thinking? Poor kids..
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:27 pm |
If the Jewish knew what is going on Gaza, they would be opposite of this invasion. Their media do not show the realities. But I can see in television. I saw babies whose faces burnt by phosphorous bomb. and their babies´ legs were cut....
Me too.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:38 pm |
Turks "after a long time searching I can say without any doubt" never committed such kind of crimes. This is because of a lot of reason but one of them is that it is a great sin in Islam. In the war of Gallipoli, an German headquarter (Turks were allied in ww1) proposed to use a chemical gas on the anzac soldiers but Turkish headquarters did not accept to use such kind of weapon for the reason that it would be a great sin. There have been a great propaganda. But there have been no graves including people killed together. They claim there had been a genocide but there have been no graves of them. The grave found in Turkey. An swedish historian claimed. this grave was the grave of armenians killed. Even he said that I have found the graves of so called genocide. He came to Turkey and analized The graves and he concluded that these garves contains Muslims (Kurds Turks Arabs killed by armenian the number is 524.000 )
Can you imagine you say there is jewish genocide but there is no grave for them is it possible. Armenians and the Turks and kurds underwent pain during ww1. This will not give you the right to kill babies. Actually those who killed great Prophet Jesus the christ (I respect him and I respect Moases too, I love them since they are both prophets), was jewish people of that time.
JUST SEARCH AND LEARN THE TRUTH
THERE ARE SOME people having ideas, biases without having knowledge
Simply your points are NOT correct!!
There have been many graves in Syria..
And ´Turks could have never done such a thing because it would have been sin in Islam´ is a new way of rejecting the history!!
But I conguratulate you..It is the first time I have heard of that..
I know it is quite common the reasons ´ah but they started first´,´the number is 300.000 so not that big´, ´look at what they did in karabagh´ etc..
But what you say is the first in this category..
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:56 pm |
look who shows up during my absense! 
shalom, hadar.
Hi, im from Israel.
I just wanted to remind you all the turks who judje Israel badly because of this situation, about the Armenians.
Many talk too much about Israel and how bad we are, but you dont even know our side of the story, and most of you dont even want to hear. and you forgot what YOU did to the Armenians!
Our hospitals accept and want to help injured people from Gaza, and we help most of them! why no one cares about that?
Everyone judje just by what they watch on TV, havent you noticed that sometimes they tell lies? even about you? what about the Hamas killing us? no one heard of that, for sure!
Before you judje, know what you judje, know both sides of the story... and it´s not that hard, im sure there are many Israelis on the net to explain you whats going on in here.
Im sad for both of the sides. sad about all the innocent people that died from our fire and Hamas´s fire.
Salam aleikum!
שלום עלינו!
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:59 pm |
hairy, calm down what happent to you? did you drink anything today?
Are you all going mad here?Are you all crazy? What is the question here? will you accept your child being traumatized by those pictures and grow with hatred of jews ? (I am saying jews because more than half of Turkish people wont see the difference between right wing israeli goverment and the jews. Even some of the radicals shout ´death to jews´ there!!!) How can you expect 6-7 years old to not be affected by all these and being full of hatred for Jews?
This is WRONG.. In the end I want my child ´not to hate anybody´ when he/she grows up.. It might be hapenning in Egypt and adults may night realize that how wrong they are at these times .. But they are Wrong..Wrong in Egypt, wrong in Turkey. And Turkey is supposed to be secular..You can not assume that ´ah but jews kids go to jews schools´. I am sure there are many jews childeren in non-jews schools too.. What do you think they might be thinking? Poor kids..
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:07 pm |
hairy, calm down what happent to you? did you drink anything today?
I think he´s just sick of banging his head against a brick wall.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:09 pm |
I think he´s just sick of banging his head against a brick wall.
Isn´t it funny that he has a couple of buttons.. you press them, off he goes 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:19 pm |
I think he´s just sick of banging his head against a brick wall.
can you stop him pls? its a bit painful to watch him suffer. 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:22 pm |
Isn´t it funny that he has a couple of buttons.. you press them, off he goes 
Not so different to a lot of people on TC then.
And just to add that I totally agree that it is wrong under any circumstances to deliberately subject young children to those sort of graphic images and especially when they are being used to foster hatred.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:23 pm |
Not so different to a lot of people on TC then.
And just to add that I totally agree that it is wrong under any circumstances to deliberately subject young children to those sort of graphic images and especially when they are being used to foster hatred.
+ 1000
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:27 pm |
The Nazi tactics of the Zionists in Isreal
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:33 pm |
Not so different to a lot of people on TC then.
And just to add that I totally agree that it is wrong under any circumstances to deliberately subject young children to those sort of graphic images and especially when they are being used to foster hatred.
+100000
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:34 pm |
I have no words, Lieberman´s abhorrent statement: He should be executed!
Actually it seems you found some very strong words 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:56 pm |
Are you all going mad here?Are you all crazy? What is the question here? will you accept your child being traumatized by those pictures and grow with hatred of jews ? (I am saying jews because more than half of Turkish people wont see the difference between right wing israeli goverment and the jews. Even some of the radicals shout ´death to jews´ there!!!) How can you expect 6-7 years old to not be affected by all these and being full of hatred for Jews?
This is WRONG.. In the end I want my child ´not to hate anybody´ when he/she grows up.. It might be hapenning in Egypt and adults may night realize that how wrong they are at these times .. But they are Wrong..Wrong in Egypt, wrong in Turkey. And Turkey is supposed to be secular..You can not assume that ´ah but jews kids go to jews schools´. I am sure there are many jews childeren in non-jews schools too.. What do you think they might be thinking? Poor kids..
Do you think you are the only one who want his kid to grow up healthy ,feel no hate for anyone ?!
You dont want to understand handsom...!
You simply do NOT!
Do you think we gather our children here,and let them watch the news,watching the childrent bleeding ,men and women with many parts missing,and all crying..etc
Do you really think we wish or want to our kids to see those kind of sights ?!
We dont want it for our children...we also dont want it for ourselves
But it is FORCED on us,and on our children too
Because we are living here,in this area,not in a far place and have the luxry of choice!
Ok,try to get it ....
Children study history in schools ´unless you have something against that too! ´
Ãn the modern history ´ours´ the war of 1948 and what follow till 1973,then the peace treat
So things goes like that...israel was stablished in 1948,took land,we had fights,wars,we got our land back at 1973,peace treat.
That is what children knows
Now parents watch news at home,sometimes children catch somethings...they ask,who is been killed...by whom ?!
Even when we try to prevent them,when we try to control it at homes,they get the news from outside,from schools from older students,from the student´s wall magazine
Ãts something we are living it,day and night
Children are living in this world ,part of it not at some other place,you cant really imagine that they wouldnt know/see something like this.
As for other points,i dont know what secular got to do with that ?!
Ãs it a religious thing ?Religious war or something ?!
Even in Palestine,Palestinians nevr claimed it
So what this got to do if Türkiye is secular or not ?!
And i dont see what is the problem if there is Jewish student among the student
à dont get it,should we support those kind of actions and not condemning them because there is jewish there
Or should we claim it didnt happen
Or maybe claim israel not to blame
Or what ?
à assume jewish student would also support no killing for the other children,why do you suppose he/she would think otherwise ?
Ãn that case,if he support killing for others,it would be a good chance that he/she hear different thing!
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:01 pm |
Do you think we gather our children here,and let them watch the news,watching the childrent bleeding ,men and women with many parts missing,and all crying..etc
Do you really think we wish or want to our kids to see those kind of sights ?!
We dont want it for our children...we also dont want it for ourselves
But it is FORCED on us,and on our children too
Because we are living here,in this area,not in a far place and have the luxry of choice!
Ok,try to get it ....
Children study history in schools ´unless you have something against that too! ´
Ãn the modern history ´ours´ the war of 1948 and what follow till 1973,then the peace treat
So things goes like that...israel was stablished in 1948,took land,we had fights,wars,we got our land back at 1973,peace treat.
That is what children knows
Now parents watch news at home,sometimes children catch somethings...they ask,who is been killed...by whom ?!
Even when we try to prevent them,when we try to control it at homes,they get the news from outside,from schools from older students,from the student´s wall magazine
Ãts something we are living it,day and night
Children are living in this world ,part of it not at some other place,you cant really imagine that they wouldnt know/see something like this.
As for other points,i dont know what secular got to do with that ?!
Ãs it a religious thing ?Religious war or something ?!
Even in Palestine,Palestinians nevr claimed it
So what this got to do if Türkiye is secular or not ?!
And i dont see what is the problem if there is Jewish student among the student
à dont get it,should we support those kind of actions and not condemning them because there is jewish there
Or should we claim it didnt happen
Or maybe claim israel not to blame
Or what ?
à assume jewish student would also support no killing for the other children,why do you suppose he/she would think otherwise ?
Ãn that case,if he support killing for others,it would be a good chance that he/she hear different thing!
You are teaching children to perpetuate the situation, instead of them seeing the absurdity of it. You are ensuring that hate continues for at least another generation.
That is why you should not teach children to support any "side", whether you support that side or not.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:04 pm |
Do you think you are the only one who want his kid to grow up healthy ,feel no hate for anyone ?!
You dont want to understand handsom...!
You simply do NOT!
Do you think we gather our children here,and let them watch the news,watching the childrent bleeding ,men and women with many parts missing,and all crying..etc
Do you really think we wish or want to our kids to see those kind of sights ?!
We dont want it for our children...we also dont want it for ourselves
But it is FORCED on us,and on our children too
Because we are living here,in this area,not in a far place and have the luxry of choice!
Ok,try to get it ....
Children study history in schools ´unless you have something against that too! ´
Ãn the modern history ´ours´ the war of 1948 and what follow till 1973,then the peace treat
So things goes like that...israel was stablished in 1948,took land,we had fights,wars,we got our land back at 1973,peace treat.
That is what children knows
Now parents watch news at home,sometimes children catch somethings...they ask,who is been killed...by whom ?!
Even when we try to prevent them,when we try to control it at homes,they get the news from outside,from schools from older students,from the student´s wall magazine
Ãts something we are living it,day and night
Children are living in this world ,part of it not at some other place,you cant really imagine that they wouldnt know/see something like this.
As for other points,i dont know what secular got to do with that ?!
Ãs it a religious thing ?Religious war or something ?!
Even in Palestine,Palestinians nevr claimed it
So what this got to do if Türkiye is secular or not ?!
And i dont see what is the problem if there is Jewish student among the student
à dont get it,should we support those kind of actions and not condemning them because there is jewish there
Or should we claim it didnt happen
Or maybe claim israel not to blame
Or what ?
à assume jewish student would also support no killing for the other children,why do you suppose he/she would think otherwise ?
Ãn that case,if he support killing for others,it would be a good chance that he/she hear different thing!
....and Canlý proves my point about pressing buttons......
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:06 pm |
....and Canlý proves my point about pressing buttons......
and guess what, handsom is back... lol
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:07 pm |
and guess what, handsom is back... lol
you became a little spy 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:10 pm |
you became a little spy 
finally got your attention ha?
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:15 pm |
You are teaching children to perpetuate the situation, instead of them seeing the absurdity of it. You are ensuring that hate continues for at least another generation.
That is why you should not teach children to support any "side", whether you support that side or not.
Ãts our own history AE,you dont want us to teach our history to our children ?!
We dont teach history of Palestine in schools,its history of our own country,children must know it.
Ãt was till 2002 events,the new generations here had no hard feelings to israel,we didnt talk good or bad,we just left it till we had wars,we took our lands back,now we have peace treat.
So we actually left them without teaching anything
Ãt was israel who made them took side in 2002,and doing it again these days.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:16 pm |
finally got your attention ha?
what? i have always been paying attention, darlink. you were always there. 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:17 pm |
Kucinich criticizes Israel´s killings
"The perpetrators of attacks against Israel must also be brought to justice, but Israel cannot create a war against an entire people in order to attempt to bring to justice the few who are responsible. The Israeli leaders know better," Kucinich said .
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=79889§ionid=3510203
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes. All have blood on their hands.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:21 pm |
According to an int. TV channel, the require Aid is around 540 trucks everyday, but currently only 50 is allowed. So no matter what he says, there is proof showing otherwise.
I was watching the Mexican news, the correspondent showed a short interview he did to a truck driver who was taking the humanitarian aid into Gaza. The driver said that saddly but Hamas are taking possesion of the goods and selling them to their people . The correspondent said that unfortunately they (reporters) dont have access to Gaza so they could not confirm this.
How sad It is if this is actually true 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:22 pm |
Genia, pls. send me the link
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:26 pm |
I was watching the Mexican news, the correspondent showed a short interview he did to a truck driver who was taking the humanitarian aid into Gaza. The driver said that saddly but Hamas are taking possesion of the goods and selling them to their people . The correspondent said that unfortunately they (reporters) dont have access to Gaza so they could not confirm this.
How sad It is if this is actually true 
well, I am watching the news from inside Gaza, and i can hear the Aid agencies from inside complaining about Israel not allowing, and even the help they bring in, they can´t distribute because the civilians fear to leave their shelters / homes and the Aid officers are not secure......
UNRWA is crying for days... their driver was shot by Israel... do you think what you see on the Mexican TV could be true? I saw that days ago...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:30 pm |
Genia, pls. send me the link
Unfortunately, this was in last night´s TV news Ros ...
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:32 pm |
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:43 pm |
Do you think you are the only one who want his kid to grow up healthy ,feel no hate for anyone ?!
You dont want to understand handsom...!
You simply do NOT!
Do you think we gather our children here,and let them watch the news,watching the childrent bleeding ,men and women with many parts missing,and all crying..etc
Do you really think we wish or want to our kids to see those kind of sights ?!
We dont want it for our children...we also dont want it for ourselves
But it is FORCED on us,and on our children too
Because we are living here,in this area,not in a far place and have the luxry of choice!
Ok,try to get it ....
Children study history in schools ´unless you have something against that too! ´
Ãn the modern history ´ours´ the war of 1948 and what follow till 1973,then the peace treat
So things goes like that...israel was stablished in 1948,took land,we had fights,wars,we got our land back at 1973,peace treat.
That is what children knows
Now parents watch news at home,sometimes children catch somethings...they ask,who is been killed...by whom ?!
Even when we try to prevent them,when we try to control it at homes,they get the news from outside,from schools from older students,from the student´s wall magazine
Ãts something we are living it,day and night
Children are living in this world ,part of it not at some other place,you cant really imagine that they wouldnt know/see something like this.
As for other points,i dont know what secular got to do with that ?!
Ãs it a religious thing ?Religious war or something ?!
Even in Palestine,Palestinians nevr claimed it
So what this got to do if Türkiye is secular or not ?!
And i dont see what is the problem if there is Jewish student among the student
à dont get it,should we support those kind of actions and not condemning them because there is jewish there
Or should we claim it didnt happen
Or maybe claim israel not to blame
Or what ?
à assume jewish student would also support no killing for the other children,why do you suppose he/she would think otherwise ?
Ãn that case,if he support killing for others,it would be a good chance that he/she hear different thing!
Sometimes talking to you is like talking to a wall, canli..
I am not talking here about the politics..
I am talking about ´a forced activity´ here.
I am talking about ´using childeren´ here..
I am talking about traumatizing childeren here..
I am talking about how wrong showing kids, age of 6-7-8., dead childeren´s picture and obviously telling them they were killed by Israelies. (Those kids wont be able to understand the difference between the jews and israeli goverment. Basically you can not explain that they should not blame jews for this incident but the israeli goverment. If you are blaming jews it will be WRONG. It will be as wrong as femme blaming entire arabs)
You are telling bed time stories up there..
I never said ´Israel is right´. Why are you filling up the tc database with the things we all agree and know?
You are saying you try to control, you try to prevent.
I dont think you do..
See, i am critisizing that childeren should be shown those graphic images and forced for that action, you are coming back and saying that they should be..phew
You are saying that you dont get why an existance of a jewish student in a class should stop condemning this collective activity..
I will tell you one thing..Imagine your own kids, they are at school, and a jewish boy coming and saying what ´hadar´ said earlier..
He says that ´israel has to protect herself´..
Can you imagine what happens to that boy?
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Just small addition to Merih´s post
Hamas is the government,they announce for some phone numbers on their Aqsa channel ´thats where i saw them´ so people can call and report if there are some people why reselling those goods for extra money .
So if by any mean Hamas taking the goods,i believe its their duty as a government to do so
As Merih said,people dont go out afraid of being killed,and prefering to be killed in their own homes
many of them said that...´there is no safe place in Gaza,so if we meant to die,then we prefer to die in our homes,israel wont kick us of our homes again ! ´
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:15 pm |
You are saying you try to control, you try to prevent.
I dont think you do..
See, i am critisizing that childeren should be shown those graphic images and forced for that action, you are coming back and saying that they should be..phew
You are saying that you dont get why an existance of a jewish student in a class should stop condemning this collective activity..
I will tell you one thing..Imagine your own kids, they are at school, and a jewish boy coming and saying what ´hadar´ said earlier..
He says that ´israel has to protect herself´..
Can you imagine what happens to that boy?
First,handsom i do NOT accept that statment of yours!
Ãf i say i do something...then i do,if i say i dont,then i dont
à see no reason what so ever to say something that i dont do !
So YES,we try not to let our children see those sights,believe it or not,you are not the only one who care about his children !
As for our government,it also perefer it that way too !
Second,actually childrent at 6,7,8 here understand the difference between jewish and israel
They also should know it,and we also had to explain it!
You get questions like why israel took our land,and god didnt say to take something doesnt belong to you
Ãsnt Judaism from ALLAH like Ãslam ?
So actually we HAD to explain the difference.
Jewish is how people choose to worship god ´ we have christians here,muslims and christians children go to same school so we choose to say this,we dont say those right or wrong to kids of course some may do ´,israel is the one who took over Palestine.
Third...i dont say they should !
à say,they are FORCED by what is happening around them.
Thats what you dont understand till now.
As i said handsom,living in our area is different than living out
You there may have that luxry,where neither us nor our children have!
Ãts Palestine´s right to let our children know about it
à dont say to tell horrible things,on wide range just the history ,so it wont be lost in the middle of...´´Palestines attacking israel thing and israel has the right to defend itself ! ´´
You want us not to teach our kids the truth,so there might be jewish student in there ?
So maybe it should be same too,and in history of WW they shouldnt condemn Germany of anything,there might be a German student in there !
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:23 pm |
So maybe it should be same too,and in history of WW they shouldnt condemn Germany of anything,there might be a German student in there !
We teach history, we don´t perpetuate hate Canli. We treat it as HISTORY. We dont ask anyone to hate people..
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:30 pm |
So maybe it should be same too,and in history of WW they shouldnt condemn Germany of anything,there might be a German student in there !
Canli, when I learned about WWII in school, I learned about the events...what happened on what dates....there were no graphic pictures, no opinions were offered by my teacher....just the facts. I think I would be outraged if my child was shown graphic pictures of ANY war in school.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:32 pm |
We teach history, we don´t perpetuate hate Canli. We treat it as HISTORY. We dont ask anyone to hate people..
Look AE..i tried to explained it before..
We teach history too at schools,and we also treat it as HÃSTORY,specially our history with israel
We have peace treat,our govermment wanted people to accept it,support it,they didnt want to perpetuate hate with many people losing family member at war wasnt easy,so teaching it as HÃSTORY was helping.
But what is happening in real these days..making even childern see different things !
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:41 pm |
Canli, when I learned about WWII in school, I learned about the events...what happened on what dates....there were no graphic pictures, no opinions were offered by my teacher....just the facts. I think I would be outraged if my child was shown graphic pictures of ANY war in school.
Elisabith,there is no graphic pictures,no openions are offered by teachers to children,STÃLL
Children know and watch.
When we go out even for shopping,there is the news on TV there,cafes,supermakets..etc every where.
People follow it,wait for any good news,any new news,wait for anything,or just sharing Palestinians what they feel.
Thats what i meant children are FORCED to know and see what is going on there
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:43 pm |
Look AE..i tried to explained it before..
Yes and you DID explain it before, and I disagreed (which is my right)! We will never agree, and I don´t expect us to.
Now calm down and take a chill pill..... 
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:43 pm |
I dont think you do get it!!

What do you expect a child THINK at that age looking at those pictures?
What if there is a jewish child among them?
Look at their age!!.
I am referring to this.
Anyway, Canli....I am speaking for myself and for what I think is best for my child. I agree with handsom.
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:45 pm |
I am referring to this.
Anyway, Canli....I am speaking for myself and for what I think is best for my child. I agree with handsom.
Its really sick...... well done for making another generation of hate and for giving those children nightmares for years to come 
Great way of raising children!
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14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:58 pm |
Yes and you DID explain it before, and I disagreed (which is my right)! We will never agree, and I don´t expect us to.
Now calm down and take a chill pill..... 
Agree
But dont think chill pill will help...thx for the tip anyway.
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15 Jan 2009 Thu 12:07 am |
Canli, when I learned about WWII in school, I learned about the events...what happened on what dates....there were no graphic pictures, no opinions were offered by my teacher....just the facts. I think I would be outraged if my child was shown graphic pictures of ANY war in school.
Well when I learned about WWII in the 4th or 5th grade we were shown all kinds of horrible videos of what happened in concetration camps. Disgusting pictures of evil that I will never be able to forget. Still we didn´t learn to hate all Germans, it taught us that something like that should never ever happen again.
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15 Jan 2009 Thu 01:20 am |
Azade, unfortunately history repeats itself. You have to realize man is basically an animal.
Israel Is Committing War Crimes
Hamas´s violations are no justification for Israel´s actions
By GEORGE E. BISHARAT
Israel´s current assault on the Gaza Strip cannot be justified by self-defense. Rather, it involves serious violations of international law, including war crimes. Senior Israeli political and military leaders may bear personal liability for their offenses, and they could be prosecuted by an international tribunal, or by nations practicing universal jurisdiction over grave international crimes. Hamas fighters have also violated the laws of warfare, but their misdeeds do not justify Israel´s acts. The United Nations charter preserved the customary right of a state to retaliate against an "armed attack" from another state. The right has evolved to cover nonstate actors operating beyond the borders of the state claiming self-defense, and arguably would apply to Hamas. However, an armed attack involves serious violations of the peace. Minor border skirmishes are common, and if all were considered armed attacks, states could easily exploit them -- as surrounding facts are often murky and unverifiable -- to launch wars of aggression. That is exactly what Israel seems to be currently attempting.
Israel had not suffered an "armed attack" immediately prior to its bombardment of the Gaza Strip. Since firing the first Kassam rocket into Israel in 2002, Hamas and other Palestinian groups have loosed thousands of rockets and mortar shells into Israel, causing about two dozen Israeli deaths and widespread fear. As indiscriminate attacks on civilians, these were war crimes. During roughly the same period, Israeli forces killed about 2,700 Palestinians in Gaza by targeted killings, aerial bombings, in raids, etc., according to the Israeli human rights group B´Tselem. But on June 19, 2008, Hamas and Israel commenced a six-month truce. Neither side complied perfectly. Israel refused to substantially ease the suffocating siege of Gaza imposed in June 2007. Hamas permitted sporadic rocket fire -- typically after Israel killed or seized Hamas members in the West Bank, where the truce did not apply. Either one or no Israelis were killed (reports differ) by rockets in the half year leading up to the current attack. Israel then broke the truce on Nov. 4, raiding the Gaza Strip and killing a Palestinian. Hamas retaliated with rocket fire; Israel then killed five more Palestinians. In the following days, Hamas continued rocket fire -- yet still no Israelis died. Israel cannot claim self-defense against this escalation, because it was provoked by Israel´s own violation. An armed attack that is not justified by self-defense is a war of aggression. Under the Nuremberg Principles affirmed by U.N. Resolution 95, aggression is a crime against peace.
Israel has also failed to adequately discriminate between military and nonmilitary targets. Israel´s American-made F-16s and Apache helicopters have destroyed mosques, the education and justice ministries, a university, prisons, courts and police stations. These institutions were part of Gaza´s civilian infrastructure. And when nonmilitary institutions are targeted, civilians die. Many killed in the last week were young police recruits with no military roles. Civilian employees in the Hamas-led government deserve the protections of international law like all others. Hamas´s ideology -- which employees may or may not share -- is abhorrent, but civilized nations do not kill people merely for what they think. Deliberate attacks on civilians that lack strict military necessity are war crimes. Israel´s current violations of international law extend a long pattern of abuse of the rights of Gaza Palestinians. Eighty percent of Gaza´s 1.5 million residents are Palestinian refugees who were forced from their homes or fled in fear of Jewish terrorist attacks in 1948. For 60 years, Israel has denied the internationally recognized rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes -- because they are not Jews. Although Israel withdrew its settlers and soldiers from Gaza in 2005, it continues to tightly regulate Gaza´s coast, airspace and borders. Thus, Israel remains an occupying power with a legal duty to protect Gaza´s civilian population. But Israel´s 18-month siege of the Gaza Strip preceding the current crisis violated this obligation egregiously. It brought economic activity to a near standstill, left children hungry and malnourished, and denied Palestinian students opportunities to study abroad. Israel should be held accountable for its crimes, and the U.S. should stop abetting it with unconditional military and diplomatic support. Mr. Bisharat is a professor at Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco.
Wall street Journa
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15 Jan 2009 Thu 10:52 pm |
As Israeli Forces push deeper into gaza, unleashing the heaviest onslaught on the densely packed neighbourhoods since the military operation began nearly three weeks ago ~ aid, once again has been suspended in Gaza after the U.N Headquarters was set ablaze by what appeared to be phosphorus shells, destroying thousands of pounds of food and humanitarian supplies intended for Palestinian refugees. Three people were wounded.
White phosphorus is a controversial material used to create a smokescreen for advancing troops.
Under the International rules of war it can only be used in open spaces away from large civilian populations.
However ~ There have been repeated allegations in Gaza that civilians have suffered disfiguring burn injuries after being hit by white phosphorus.
A UN spokesman said the organisation was in contact with the Israeli army to request a local ceasefire to allow the U.N fire to be put out ~ Alas...Without success.
Last week deliveries stopped temporarily after Israel killed a UN fork lift truck driver moving bags of supplies.
The UN secretary general, Ban Ki~moon, expressed "strong protest and outrage" and demanded an investigation into why there was an attack on the compound of the UN Relief and Works Agency [UNRWA], a well~known location in Gaza marked with blue UN flags.
The number of casualties in the Gaza Strip, has now reached 1,055 ~ half of them civilian, according to local UN officials, and has "reached an unbearable point", Ban added. Gaza health official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said at least 70 people were killed or died of wounds throughout Gaza yesterday.
Israel´s prime minister, Ehud Olmert, told Ban later that troops shelled the building in response to Hamas gunfire coming from within, but nonetheless said it should not have happened.
U.N officials inside the building are calling ´Bull~shit!!´ on Olmert.
Reports are also coming in that the al Quds, al Fata, al Wafa hospitals along with Shifa, Gaza City´s biggest hospital are also under Israeli shell bombardment. Fires are breaking out.
A tower block housing various media groups including the Gaza offices of Reuters was shelled, injuring two employees of an Arabic television network.
The French government issued a forthright condemnation of Israel´s actions.
"We condemn in the strongest terms the bombings this morning by the Israeli army of several hospitals and a building housing international media in Gaza city,´´ Eric Chevallier, spokesman for the French foreign ministry in Paris, said.
"We condemn with equal strength the bombing that hit the headquarters of the UN in Gaza, injuring three staff members.
Israel´s envoy Amos Gilad flew to Cairo today for talks with Egyptian mediators. He will not meet any of the Hamas representatives who are also in Egypt´s capital.
The Egyptian plan appears to begin with a ceasefire of a week or 10 days, during which all fighting would stop but Israeli troops would remain on the ground in Gaza. Talks would then be held on the more difficult questions of stopping the smuggling of weapons to Hamas and lifting Israel´s long economic blockade of the Gaza Strip.
However, it is thought Hamas´s conditions for any deal would probably include an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces the moment a ceasefire started.
Source The Guardian. Huffy Post. The Telegraph

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15 Jan 2009 Thu 11:02 pm |
To reiterate Ros post, yes Israel has managed to bomb the UN compound and destroyed all the food, medical supplies and humanitarian supplies, which has caused the Iraeli Prime Minister to "applogise" to the head of the UN who was visiting Israel today. This has been on the news tonight.
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15 Jan 2009 Thu 11:29 pm |
modified. Thanks to whoever deleted the message above 
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15 Jan 2009 Thu 11:30 pm |
Tassia - I have deleted your post because of the first sentence.
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15 Jan 2009 Thu 11:48 pm |
Simply your points are NOT correct!!
There have been many graves in Syria..
And ´Turks could have never done such a thing because it would have been sin in Islam´ is a new way of rejecting the history!!
But I conguratulate you..It is the first time I have heard of that..
I know it is quite common the reasons ´ah but they started first´,´the number is 300.000 so not that big´, ´look at what they did in karabagh´ etc..
But what you say is the first in this category..
THIS IS SECOND AND LAST ONE the topic is not what you know all people had pain but the problem is different.
So you know History better than the serious Historians.
It is not a topic related ´´they were first or they started to kill first.
before the ww1 armenians was under the authority of Ottoman empire...
They had their own Patriarch Church. They were very good at art generally. Ottoman empire took advantage of their artistic ability during 500 years. They were really loved by muslims and the government. Even they had been called Tebayi Sadikun meaning Loyal people. So they can become Vezir or Grand Vezir (Prime minister) in the Ottoman state. They were free as other nationalities in Ottoman in their religious and cultural affairs etc. Later after English intelligance service put its plan to application, thisngs started to change. Some of the armenians started horrifying attacks to the Muslims especially Kurdish muslims and they attacked Armenians who did not support them in 1890´s. This continued 20 years in a little range. During the WW1. Ottomans had 20 battlefields in war. There are lots of volunteer Armenians troops fought in www1 in the Ottoman army with Muslims. There were a lot of Armenian and Turkish martyr died in Gallipoli when fighting Anzacs. My village were neighbourhood of some armenian village. Even there were a lot of Armenian in our village and a lot of Muslim (Turks Kurds) in the armenian villages living together. They helped each other during war. They gave each other their last wheats to make breads. (during the war there were great starvation). they helped each other. But some of the separatist TASHNAK SUDYUN terorist organization armenian young (who started to live in mountains  started to kill villagers (Muslims and the unhelper Armenians). The villagers were hopeless because all of the soldiers and Gendarmaries are in the army. Not only killing but also raping the girls and wives whose husband in the army. Their torture was impossible to narrate. There were only old people, women and children and terrorist armenians (Not all of the armenians attacked actually most of them were opposite of these fanatics). Later the invasion of Russian army in anatolia deteriorated the condition for these hopeless people. Because to these terrorists, weapons were given by the Russian army. The invasion lasted nearly 1 or 2 years . During this time, 524.000 muslims and opposing armenian citizens were killed by these attacker armenians. (They do this, because they wanted Muslims migrate from their so called country to have high orthodox armenian population density)because the land was under russian invasion and ottoman goverment could do nothing. After the Russian army withdrawal (because Bolsheviks took the control, they withdrawn from the war), most of the rebellious armenian escaped with russian army. The historian Justin Mc Carthy says 80 % of the rebellious armenians (who escaped with russian army) died because of starvation. The Ottoman goverment took the control and armenians were attacked by the Turkish Kurdish people whose wifes daughers were raped or killed (not by the soldiers) for the revenge or avenge. armenian attackers were killed as revenge. The government (still in war in 20 battlefields) decided to migrate orthodox armenians (only orthodox christian armenains were forced to migrate because Russian supported orthodox armenians and unorthodox armenians were not forced to migrate they live still in Turkey. Actually unorthodox armenians (I have a lot of armenian friend here in Turkey) did not support those rapers and murderers). The goverment forced them to migrate to Syria where were under Ottoman state at that time. to prevent Muslims´ revenge. Government announced orders not to attack these armenians during the migration. The government wanted all of the orthodox armenians (who committed crimes or not) to migrate.because muslim people hated orthodox armenians and came to avenge whether they committed crimes or not. The governement did not want to allocate its some of military power (www1 was still continuing) to prevent attacks between armenians and muslims. The order was very precise. Those attacking armenians during migration will be executed. Some of the armenians died because of muslims attack. some of them were killed by soldiers also. (After transportaion 60 Ottoman soldiers and muslimswere sentenced to death and executed since they attacked armenians during migration). Ther were a lot of armenians died because of illnesses. some of them died after migration but most of them arrived alive. Justin Mc carthy says that %20 of the armenian were killed because of attacks, starvation, illnesses etc. So it is very normal to have graves in Syria. But they are not genocide graves. they are normal graves. Some of them returned their village after www1 and most of them migrated america, argentinia, france and other countries. Here both sides had pain. this is correct But this unwanted event was not an Jenocide. The problem is not what happened. the problem is armenians says this was a genocide but turks says no it was not a genocide there are lots of dead in both sides. the migration was not a genocide. If it has been a genocide there would have not been many armenians migrated u.s.a argentinia or france and even in Turkey. There should be no one to propose it was a genocide. Most of them were alive.
Turkish side accepts there were a lot of armenian dead but says there were also alot of muslim dead. and goverment had nothing to do other than migration. Armenians say it was a planned genocide. they started 300.000 deaths later they raised the number up to 1500.000 deaths.
it is shortly as I said
you can search
the rest is propaganda
Turkish archives are open for people but armenians archive is not open. In armenia you can not say there is no genocide but in turkey you can say there is or there is not
the history will decide
There are alot of armenians living in argentina who are the migrator or migrator´s children. They still carry their Ottoman state passport (they say I carry this passport with honour) and they are still in Turkish citizenship and they refuse to leave Turkish citizenship.
Before believing sometihng you should search for the truth. The truth is not what is on the media. Just listen the other side claims one time.
Justin Mc Carthy is a scholar in this topic he is an american not turk.
Just log in the internet and search you will see how history can be changed by propaganda.
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15 Jan 2009 Thu 11:52 pm |
I can show you big graves of muslims killed (what I mean by "big grave" is the grave in which there are tousands dead bodies) of muslims
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 12:11 am |
I can show you big graves of muslims killed (what I mean by "big grave" is the grave in which there are tousands dead bodies) of muslims
I think I will not post anything about it etimologist.
In earlier threads we made our points in this subject.. We gave all the numbers etc and we tried to explain what went on during that period according to what we know..
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:10 am |
Tassia - I have deleted your post because of the first sentence.
again? i havent read it 
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:20 am |
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0zE64thJ4
there are other many hate cartoons made in muslim countries.
no where in the world they teach hatred to their children but only in muslim countries.
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:23 am |
Ros - this is completely off topic - you say so yourself ´A different subject´ - why didn´t you just open a new thread?
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:25 am |
THIS IS SECOND AND LAST ONE the topic is not what you know all people had pain but the problem is different.
So you know History better than the serious Historians.
I can show you big graves of muslims killed (what I mean by "big grave" is the grave in which there are tousands dead bodies) of muslims
Etimologist - the topic of this thread is ´Turkish Students hold a minute´s silence for Palestian Children´ not Turkish history.
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:25 am |
Havent read ´t all yet,but agree worth reading
à agree with that comment too
´´The majority of the world loved USA, it´s people and it´s culture, it was a symbol of freedom (the American dream was also a dream for people around the world) in a time not so long ago.´´
à remember there was times when we were younger,you could hear such question
Do you love your country more or USA ?
Yes,the American dream was also a dream of people from other countries,but i agree..not anymore !
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:28 am |
Tassia - I have deleted your post because of the first sentence.
again? i havent read it 
People will always be curious as to what they missed!
From memory the deleted post made a reference to Hitler´s approach to Jewish people.
It also pointed out the unacceptability of both what Hitler did, and the current situation for Gazan Palestinian civilians.
Unfortunately until a workable cease-fire eventuates many more people will sadly die. Such conflict generates so much hatred and problems in our world.
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:36 am |
People will always be curious as to what they missed!
From memory the deleted post made a reference to Hitler´s approach to Jewish people.
It also pointed out the unacceptability of both what Hitler did, and the current situation for Gazan Palestinian civilians.
Unfortunately until a workable cease-fire eventuates many more people will sadly die. Such conflict generates so much hatred and problems in our world.
I deleted the post because of her first sentence not the whole post. I like your euphemestic interpretation of what she actually said.
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:42 am |
I also understand why it was deleted.
I didn´t elaborate or quote the exact sentiment of the post, so that my post hopefully wouldn´t offend in the same way.
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:48 am |
I also understand why it was deleted.
I didn´t elaborate or quote the exact sentiment of the post, so that my post hopefully wouldn´t offend in the same way.
OK - I did realise that - sorry if I was a bit sarcastic - but that was the second post of that type yesterday.
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:58 am |
OK - I did realise that - sorry if I was a bit sarcastic - but that was the second post of that type yesterday.
Sorun deðil L.I.R.
I appreciate the necessary work of moderators. 
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 03:49 pm |
dear henry, thank you for sharing the deleted post 
its a shame that theres no freedom of speech in here. everyone should be able to express him/herself no matter how hurtful the comment could be to others. adults should be able to cope with each other, if they cant stand other opinions then they are not mature enough to join the discussion/debates.
People will always be curious as to what they missed!
From memory the deleted post made a reference to Hitler´s approach to Jewish people.
It also pointed out the unacceptability of both what Hitler did, and the current situation for Gazan Palestinian civilians.
Unfortunately until a workable cease-fire eventuates many more people will sadly die. Such conflict generates so much hatred and problems in our world.
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 03:54 pm |
Sorun deðil L.I.R.
I appreciate the necessary work of moderators. 
oh, in here i disagree with you. mods should have more time for themselves. we should care for them, care for their delicate hearts. they should often relax in a bath with aroma oils (better if they are all together), then should enjoy some coffee and watch dvd (we should buy them lots of dvd). we should send them to nice places on vacations. i think my idea of a mod is great.
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 04:31 pm |
oh, in here i disagree with you. mods should have more time for themselves. we should care for them, care for their delicate hearts. they should often relax in a bath with aroma oils (better if they are all together), then should enjoy some coffee and watch dvd (we should buy them lots of dvd). we should send them to nice places on vacations. i think my idea of a mod is great.
Femme you are so sweet! I will pm you my address and a list of dvd´s I would like 
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16 Jan 2009 Fri 05:21 pm |
Human Rights Watch
Israel: Stop Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/01/10/israel-stop-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza
Rights Watch
Effect of 155mm Artillery Indiscriminate in Populated Areas
(Jerusalem, January 16, 2009) - Israel´s use of heavy artillery in residential areas of Gaza City violates the prohibition under the laws of war against indiscriminate attacks and should be stopped immediately, Human Rights Watch said today. A Human Rights Watch researcher on the Israel-Gaza border on January 15, 2009, observed Israel´s repeated use in the center of Gaza City of 155mm artillery shells, which inflict blast and fragmentation damage up to 300 meters away.
"Firing 155mm shells into the center of Gaza City, whatever the target, will likely cause horrific civilian casualties," said Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch. "By using this weapon in such circumstances, Israel is committing indiscriminate attacks in violation of the laws of war."
According to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), Israel yesterday shelled the relief organization´s main compound in Gaza City, wounding three people. UNRWA believes that white phosphorus used in the attack set part of the compound on fire. Up to 700 city residents had fled there in the morning to seek refuge after intense fighting in the area. The Human Rights Watch researcher also witnessed ground-burst 155mm white phosphorus strikes in Gaza City.
"We warned the Israelis hour by hour through the night of the vulnerabilities here as the shells came closer and closer, and shrapnel was coming into the compound on a regular occasion," John Ging, UNWRA´s Gaza director of operations, told the media. "Nonetheless, we have now been subjected to these direct hits."
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert apologized for the attack, but said Israeli forces had come under fire from the UN compound. "It is absolutely true that we were attacked from that place, but the consequences are very sad and we apologize for it," he said.
The death toll from yesterday´s military operations remains unknown, but media reports quoted Gaza health officials as saying that 70 people had died (the reports make no distinction between civilian and combatant casualties). As of January 14, 1,013 Palestinians had died, including 322 children and 76 women, according to the Gazan Ministry of Health. An additional 4,560 Palestinians reportedly have been wounded, including 1,600 children and 678 women.
The attacks on Gaza City occurred after the Israel Defense Force (IDF) had warned Gaza´s residents to flee to city centers. According to the Israeli government, on January 3, the IDF began broadcasting warnings that told people, among other things, that "For your own safety, you are required to leave your homes immediately and move to the city centers." Despite these warnings, the IDF has launched attacks against the Gaza city center, causing civilian casualties.
"Israel warned civilians to go to city centers and later shelled the center of Gaza City with a weapon that should never be used in densely populated areas," Garlasco said.
According to media reports and aid groups, Israeli forces today also fired upon a hospital and an international media center. The World Health Organization (WHO) told Human Rights Watch that Israeli shells had struck the al-Quds hospital in the Tel al-Hawa neighborhood, setting it on fire. The fire was extinguished, but about 100 patients had to be evacuated. Between 150 and 500 patients were in the hospital at the time, WHO said.
Israeli fire also hit the al-Shurouq tower, which houses media outlets such as Reuters, al-Arabiyya Television, and al-Hayat newspaper, causing substantial damage and wounding at least two journalists, including one who worked for the Abu Dhabi television channel. Media organizations had provided the Israeli military with the GPS locations of all their offices. Israeli forces told the media that they had come under fire from the building. It is not clear if Israeli forces hit the building using artillery or tank shells.
Human Rights Watch is unable to conduct full investigations into alleged laws of war violations by either side because of Israel´s continuing denial of access to Gaza.
Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have also violated the laws of war by continuing to fire unguided Qassam and Grad rockets at population centers in Israel. A Human Rights Watch researcher on the Gazan border yesterday saw the firing of a Qassam rocket that hit outside Sderot, causing no injuries. Such rockets have killed three Israeli civilians and injured at least 78 since December 27.
International humanitarian law, or the laws of war, prohibits indiscriminate attacks. Indiscriminate attacks are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction. Examples of indiscriminate attacks are those that are not directed at a specific military objective or that use weapons that cannot be directed at a specific military objective. Prohibited indiscriminate attacks include area bombardment, which are attacks by artillery or other means that treat as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in an area containing a concentration of civilians and civilian objects.
The expected lethal radius for a 155mm high explosive projectile, such as the artillery the IDF is currently using in Gaza City, is reportedly between 50 and 150 meters and the expected casualty radius is between 100 and 300 meters. IDF officials have previously said that the error radius for a 155mm shell is usually 25 meters. Therefore, if the IDF fires shells as close as 100 meters to populated areas, it greatly increases the likelihood of civilian casualties.
In Human Rights Watch´s June 2007 report "Indiscriminate Fire: Palestinian Rocket Attacks on Israel and Israeli Artillery Shelling in the Gaza Strip," Human Rights Watch made the following recommendations to Israel concerning the use of artillery in densely populated areas of Gaza. Human Rights Watch called upon Israel to:
- Cease artillery attacks using weapons such as 155mm artillery in situations and locales where the degree of weapon targeting accuracy and the shells´ casualty radius do not allow for attacks that can discriminate between civilians and combatants.
- Cease artillery attacks in or near populated areas that are likely to cause civilian harm that is excessive compared to the expected military advantage.
- Ensure that all artillery attacks are directed at a genuine military objective, and not overly expansive conceptions of "area denial" that are inconsistent with international humanitarian law. Cease any attacks as soon as it becomes known that they are not being directed at a genuine military objective or are not distinguishing between combatants and civilians.
- Ensure, in cooperation with Palestinian counterparts, that effective communications mechanisms are in place to relay promptly information on attacks threatening civilian harm, and take appropriate measures to reduce the threat to civilians when such information is provided.
- Collect and analyze data regarding Palestinian civilian casualties from artillery shelling in order to assess the harm to civilians caused by the use of artillery in particular locales and situations, and thus to base targeting decisions on a proper weighing of foreseeable civilian harm.
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17 Jan 2009 Sat 06:04 pm |
Well, I was right all along when I was saying ´even the grown ups dont know who to blame, and mix up jews with Israeli government´:
Turkish Jewish community concerned
.. various anti-Semitic articles in the conservative daily Vakit, according to the report of daily Milliyet. Hasan Karakaya, a columnist at Vakit, recently wrote: "Jew equals terrorist."
...The advertisements say "You can´t be Moses´ son"
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various hotels in Antalya for putting up signs that read: "Israeli tourists may not enter."
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10794413.asp?gid=243
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 03:23 am |
For some, the correct way to act while the fully equipped army of one nation is deliberately killing civilians of another nation, squeezed in a single and long sieged city, may be something to be kept quiet about.
Whether there are Jewish kids among Turkish students or not, all Turkish students will be taught that the massacre they are witnessing in Gazza is State terror. The idea is to educate all children to understand what is humanely right or wrong; We do not need clowns who can not stand up against murderous terrorists, if the terrorists happen to be of their own race or religion.
History records that Turkish State sided with Jews, when they were oppressed by Inquisition in Spain and by Nazis in Germany, providing them with a safe refuge from State terror. No one should expext anything different, when the oppressed side is called Palestinians.
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 03:37 am |



I agree with you femme, they are writing "with love" on the misilles, a very solid proof of how non-muslims always teach their children to love!
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 04:06 am |
"various hotels in Antalya for putting up signs that read: "Israeli tourists may not enter."
I honestly think a similar sign should appear on UNITED NATIONS entrance, until Israel learns to honor UN resolutions.
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 05:29 am |
Well, I was right all along when I was saying ´even the grown ups dont know who to blame, and mix up jews with Israeli government´:
It´s unfortunate.....very.....people don´t seem to differentiate between the acts of a right wing branch of government and the citizens.
In the US we have had to put up with the humiliation brought on us by the Bush administration.
Thankfully, he´s leaving. The damage his administration has done will take years to undo, and it will take a vigilent and engaged citizenry to really effect a change.
It´s NOT Jews, it´s a very right wing branch of the Israeli government. The Israeli peace movement needs support and recognition.
article on Israeli peace movements
List of peace groups
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 12:03 pm |
Turkish newspapers todat inform that there are over 2000 civilian Turkish citizens, mostly women and children, trapped under Israeli bombardment in Gazza.
If they die there, they will simply be called "collateral damage".
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 12:53 pm |
"Thankfully, he´s leaving. The damage his administration has done will take years to undo, and it will take a vigilent and engaged citizenry to really effect a change."
I hate to disappoint you Alameda, but I do not think your president- elect shows any flying colors of wisdom, when it comes to Israel.
All Americans better learn Hebrew quick, if you want to understand what Obama is really talking about.
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 02:19 pm |
on the same sort of theme. I was working in and around the demonstration area at Trafalgar Square yesterday........ some of the protesters had wrapped children in white sheets that had been splattered with red dye ...... I understand the symbolism they were trying to express but I don´t think they took into account what effect it may have on these children, as I would have thought some sort of explanation would have neccessary to enable them to dress their children this way
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 06:48 pm |
it is sad that you all bear so much hatred in your hearts, that you live with a hope of revenge and a bloodshed. you are like bulls who gets excited at the color of blood or sharks who follows the taste of blood drop.
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 06:51 pm |

it is sad that you all bear so much hatred in your hearts, that you live with a hope of revenge and a bloodshed. you are like bulls who gets excited at the color of blood or sharks who follows the taste of blood drop.
look who is talking about hatred
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:04 pm |
I agree with you femme, they are writing "with love" on the misilles, a very solid proof of how non-muslims always teach their children to love!
there are no other nations that use their children as human shields and targets as do muslims. children to muslims are no more than dogs in most cases (it is my personal opinion), so they dont hesitate to use them anywhere or anyway. no other parents strap bombs on their children and women as they do in muslim countries.
some people try to justify the conflict with occupation, but i know that everything has to do with religion. its a shame that people make a judgement without learning about the culture and religion.
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:19 pm |
If the Israeli attack on Gaza that started 18 days ago was designed partly to send a message to the incoming Barack Obama, the United States Congress in the past week seems to have joined the battle to handcuff the new president and lay down the law for him, even before he takes office.
Obama has tried to remain aloof and stay out of the political battle over the Gaza war by making no substantive statements about it. Israel and its supporters in Washington have different plans. Obama has stayed away from the war, but they brought the war to him - shoving it down his throat as his first pre-incumbency lesson in how American presidents must behave with respect to Israel´s desires, if they wish to remain in power.
The House of Representatives voted last Friday by 390-5 for a resolution that backed Israel in its Gaza onslaught, affirming "Israel´s right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza." A day earlier, the Senate overwhelmingly supported Israel and its right to defend itself against terrorism.
Such extraordinary one-sided support for Israel by Congress mirrors the same position taken by the administration. Both President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice declared on Monday that Hamas was to blame for the current war and for the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza, and that any ceasefire had to guarantee that Hamas stopped attacking Israel. They seemed incomprehensibly blind to Israel´s combined strangulation of and assault on Gaza.
This almost irrational absolute support for Israel in both the legislative and executive branches of the US government occurs amid a chorus of international condemnation of Israel for using excessive force. This includes calls by some United Nations officials and respectable non-governmental organizations to investigate whether Israel has committed war crimes.
Israel is using the two arsenals it is most comfortable with - military force to kill, injure, terrorize and displace thousands of Palestinian civilians; and the equivalent political overkill to bludgeon the American political establishment into total submission. After six decades of trying, Israel has been unable to turn Palestinians into vassals and subservient slaves - but it has succeeded in transforming an otherwise impressive American political governance system into a herd of castrated cattle who cower before the threats that Israel´s Washington-based henchmen and hit men direct at them. Gaza will get its ceasefire soon, but will Washington ever find relief from the stranglehold of Israel´s political thugs?
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=5&article_id=98991
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:21 pm |
Obama was accused by critics of siding with Israel with his silence or failing to stand with the Jewish state as it sought to repel rocket attacks from the Palestinian militant group Hamas.
Earlier this month, Obama broke his silence to call the loss of civilian lives in Gaza and in Israel a "source of deep concern."
WHAT MIGHT OBAMA DO?
Obama told a news conference on Jan. 6 he would be prepared to address Middle East peacemaking as soon as he takes office. Many U.S. presidents have addressed the complex issue only later in their terms.
"I am doing everything that we have to do to make sure that the day that I take office we are prepared to engage immediately in trying to deal with the situation there," Obama said. "Not only the short-term situation but building a process whereby we can achieve a more lasting peace in the region."
Analysts say Obama might name a special envoy to the Middle East shortly after his inauguration in a sign of the importance he attaches to peacemaking.
"What I am doing right now is putting together the team so that on Jan. 20, starting on Day One, we have the best possible people who are going to be immediately engaged in the Middle East peace process as a whole, that are going to be engaging with all of the actors there, that will work to create a strategic approach that ensures that both Israelis and Palestinians can meet their aspirations," Obama said in an ABC interview on Jan. 11.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS OBAMA FACES?
Given the political divisions on both sides, a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- an issue that has bedeviled many U.S. presidents -- will be no easier for Obama.
The Palestinians are split between Hamas, which rules Gaza and remains officially committed to the destruction of Israel, and Fatah, which holds sway in the West Bank and whose leader, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, has spent more than a year engaged in U.S.-backed peace talks with Israel.
Israel holds an election on Feb 10, leaving it unclear who will lead the Jewish state and how committed the new leader may be to peace negotiations with the Palestinians.
Obama must decide how deeply the United States should get involved in peace moves and whether it should take a harder line toward Israel, for example on halting settlement building in the West Bank.
His nominee for secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, whose confirmation is expected next week, has been a staunch supporter of Israel, which may give her more latitude to persuade Israeli officials to make concessions.
(Washington Newsroom)
Copyright © 2008 Reuters
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:24 pm |
there are no other nations that use their children as human shields and targets as do muslims. children to muslims are no more than dogs in most cases (it is my personal opinion), so they dont hesitate to use them anywhere or anyway. no other parents strap bombs on their children and women as they do in muslim countries.
some people try to justify the conflict with occupation, but i know that everything has to do with religion. its a shame that people make a judgement without learning about the culture and religion.
cool, as I proved you were lieing, you keep telling other lies and expect us to believe. go ahead femme, I`m not gonna deal with your sick posts full of propagandist lies.
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:32 pm |

look who is talking about hatred
And you are Mother Theresa´s Turkish incarnation? 
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:36 pm |
I hate to disappoint you Alameda, but I do not think your president- elect shows any flying colors of wisdom, when it comes to Israel.
All Americans better learn Hebrew quick, if you want to understand what Obama is really talking about.
Although I do think Obama is a huge improvement, I´m not that naive to believe policies are going to change radically in the near future. Even if he wanted to make a radical change, he can´t as he is only one third of the power, there is the Legislative branch that has huge power.
Any real change will have to come about by real action from the citizens to request it.
It´s like what FDR said:
Go Ahead, Make Me
I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it.
Franklin D. Roosevelt Comment to a group of reformers. His point: Until they lead the way, they shouldn´t expect leaders to follow.
I also don´t think we have ever had a perfect president. Even FDR, who was one of the best, has the Japanese internment blot on his administration.
The candidate I most wanted was Dennis Kucinich, but he didn´t have much of a chance.
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 09:11 pm |
The United Nations´ most senior human rights official said last night that the Israeli military may have committed war crimes in Gaza. The warning came as Israeli troops pressed on with the deadly offensive in defiance of a UN security council resolution calling for a ceasefire.
Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, has called for "credible, independent and transparent" investigations into possible violations of humanitarian law, and singled out an incident this week in Zeitoun, south-east of Gaza City, where up to 30 Palestinians in one house were killed by Israeli shelling.
Pillay, a former international criminal court judge from South Africa, told the BBC the incident "appears to have all the elements of war crimes".
The accusation came as Israel kept up its two-week-old air and ground offensive in Gaza and dismissed as "unworkable" the UN security council resolution which had called for "an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire".
Protests against the offensive were held across the world yesterday just as diplomacy to halt the conflict appeared to falter.
With the Palestinian casualty toll rising to around 800 dead, including 265 children, and more than 3,000 injured, fresh evidence emerged yesterday of the killings in Zeitoun. It was "one of the gravest incidents" since Israel´s offensive began two weeks ago, the UN office for the co-ordination of humanitarian affairs said yesterday.
"There is an international obligation on the part of soldiers in their position to protect civilians, not to kill civilians indiscriminately in the first place, and when they do, to make sure that they help the wounded," Pillay told Reuters. "In this particular case these children were helpless and the soldiers were close by," she added.
An Israeli military spokeswoman, Avital Leibovich, said the incident was still being examined. "We don´t warn people to go to other buildings, this is not something we do," she said. "We don´t know this case, we don´t know that we attacked it."
Despite the intense bombardment, militants in Gaza fired at least 30 rockets into southern Israel yesterday. Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman, told al-Jazeera TV: "This resolution doesn´t mean that the war is over. We call on Palestinian fighters to mobilise and be ready to face the offensive, and we urge the Arab masses to carry on with their angry protests."
Israeli officials said they could not be expected to halt their military operation while the rockets continued and said they first wanted an end to the rocket fire and a "mechanism" to prevent Hamas rearming in future.
"The whole idea that Israel will unilaterally stop protecting our people when Hamas is sending rockets into our cities to kill our people is not a reasonable request of Israel," said Mark Regev, spokesman for prime minister Ehud Olmert. Israel wanted security for its people in southern Israel, he said, and dismissed suggestions his military might seek to topple Hamas, saying they were "not in the regime-change business".
Israeli public opinion still strongly favours the war. One poll of Jewish Israelis yesterday, by the War and Peace Index, said 90% of the population supported continuing the operation until Israel achieved all its goals.
Olmert held a meeting of his security cabinet, and on the agenda was discussion about whether to intensify the offensive by launching a fresh stage of attacks in which Israeli troops would invade the major urban areas of Gaza as more reservists were called up. There was no word on the outcome.
So far 13 Israelis have been killed in this conflict, of whom three were civilians.
Another 23 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli military yesterday. Seven from one family, including an infant, died when Israeli jets bombed a five-storey building in Beit Lahiya, in northern Gaza. There was heavy aerial bombing and artillery fire across the territory.
More than 20,000 Gazans have fled their homes in the north of the strip and thousands more in the south. In some cases Israeli troops have told them to leave, or dropped leaflets warning them to evacuate their homes. Some are even dividing their families between different addresses for fear of losing them all in a single air strike.
"Many people are leaving their homes and moving to the centre of the cities," said Abdel Karim Ashour, 53, who works with a local aid agency, the Palestinian Agricultural Relief Committee. He, his wife and their four children fled their house on the coastal road in northern Gaza on the third day of the conflict. He sent the four children to stay with his brother while he and his wife are staying at a friend´s house. "We were in an area of heavy shelling, so we left and I divided the family to try to reduce the victims if we face any trouble. We try and keep in touch by telephone but there are problems with the network," he said. "We´re just hoping for a ceasefire. If the fighting goes on there will be more victims."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/10/gaza-schools
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18 Jan 2009 Sun 11:57 pm |
cool, as I proved you were lieing, you keep telling other lies and expect us to believe. go ahead femme, I`m not gonna deal with your sick posts full of propagandist lies.
tami, you havent proven me nothing so far. those pics are the same pics circulated around and around for years. i have seen these pics in 2006 (sent to me by various muslims). if you write in search engine "israeli children missiles" you will easily find them.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?gbv=2&ndsp=18&hl=en&q=israeli+children+on+missiles&start=0&sa=N
as for the muslims do produce a lot of anti-jewish or any anti-nonmuslim cartoons, entertainment, shows, movies you cant deny it to me. because i will give you hundreds of links as a proof.
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19 Jan 2009 Mon 12:21 am |
´Tungsten bombs´ leave Israel´s victims with mystery wounds
As it declares a unilateral ceasefire, Jerusalem faces a UN call for a war crimes investigation
Two children were killed yesterday when Israeli tanks shelled a UN school in which families were sheltering, leading a UN spokesman, Chris Gunness, to say: "There has to be an investigation to determine whether a war crime has been committed." The call was dismissed by an Israeli foreign ministry spokesman, Yigal Palmor, who said: "These claims of war crimes are not supported by the slightest piece of evidence." But among numerous allegations of disproportionate use of force, questions are also multiplying about the use of unconventional weapons by Israel, including a new type of bomb that causes injuries that doctors have not seen before, and which they find impossible to treat.
The Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, claimed in a televised address last night that the military operation had "fully attained" its goals, "and beyond". Israel had declared the ceasefire in response to an appeal from the Egyptian President, Hosni Mubarak, but troops would remain for now in Gaza, and Hamas would be "surprised again" if it attacked.
But even though Mr Olmert said Hamas had been "beaten badly", rockets landed in Israel a few minutes before he spoke. Despite the desperate state of Gaza´s population, Hamas leaders said they would continue to fight for an end to Israel´s closure of crossing points into the territory and a withdrawal of the Israeli forces.
Mr Mubarak invited the Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, and the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, to discuss Gaza in Sharm el-Sheikh today. The UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon, said he might attend, and Gordon Brown is among other leaders due to take part.
Although Mr Olmert´s announcement was only a first step towards halting the conflict in Gaza, the UN is not the only international body insisting that inquiries must be held as soon as possible into the tactics and weapons used by Israel. Erik Fosse, a Norwegian doctor who worked in Gaza´s hospitals during the conflict, said that Israel was using so-called Dime (dense inert metal explosive) bombs designed to produce an intense explosion in a small space. The bombs are packed with tungsten powder, which has the effect of shrapnel but often dissolves in human tissue, making it difficult to discover the cause of injuries.
Dr Fosse said he had seen a number of patients with extensive injuries to their lower bodies. "It was as if they had stepped on a mine, but there was no shrapnel in the wounds," he said. "Some had lost their legs. It looked as though they had been sliced off. I have been to war zones for 30 years, but I have never seen such injuries before." However, the injuries matched photographs and de[script]ions in medical literature of the effects of Dime bombs.
"All the patients I saw had been hit by bombs fired from unmanned drones," said Dr Fosse, head of the Norwegian Aid Committee. "The bomb hit the ground near them and exploded." His colleague, Mads Gilbert, accused Israel of using the territory as a testing ground for a new, "extremely nasty" type of explosive. "This is a new generation of small explosive that detonates with extreme power and dissipates its power within a range of five to 10 metres," he said.
According to military databases, Dime bombs are intended for use where conventional weapons might kill or injure bystanders – to kill combatants in a house, for example, without harming people next door. Instead of being made from metal, which sprays shrapnel across a wide area, the casing is carbon fibre. Part of the motive for developing the bombs was to replace the use of depleted uranium, but Dr Fosse said the cancer risk from tungsten powde was well known. "These patients should be followed up to see if there are any carcinogenic effects," he said.
While the loudest controversy has been over accusations that white phosphorus was illegally used, other foreign doctors working in Gaza have reported injuries they cannot explain. Professor Mohammed Sayed Khalifa, a cardiac consultant from Sudan, said that two of his patients had had uncontrollable bleeding. "One had a chest operation, and continued bleeding even after having been given large quantities of plasma," he said. "The other had what seemed to be a minor leg injury, but collapsed with profuse bleeding. Something was interfering with the clotting process. I have never seen such a thing before."
Dr Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian cardio-thoracic consultant at al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis in southern Gaza, said he had seen a number of patients with inexplicable injuries. A boy of 14 had a small puncture wound in his head, but extensive damage to his brain, making it impossible to save his life. "I don´t know the nature or type of these weapons that make a very small [entry wound] and go on and make massive destruction in the tissues," he said.
Israeli military representatives have refused to confirm or deny using specific weapons, but insist that all Israel´s weapons comply with international law. Neither white phosphorus nor Dime bombs are illegal, but campaigners say the way they have been used, especially in Gaza´s densely packed urban areas, could constitute a war crime.
A Palestinian woman with severe facial injuries from a Dime bomb
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22 Jan 2009 Thu 07:44 am |
Ãts not same
Jewish is ones religion where israeli is the nationality
à dont condemn jewish by israel´s action,but i sure condemn israel!
No one would like for the children to know or see those kind of events or actions,no one would like for the kids to dream of fire and bombing instead of garden and roses
But that is luxry we dont actually have here in our area..where you can have it there .
Ãn israel they teach their children sending rockets to the palestinians is nice presents can be sent on new years or something ´Tam posted the pictures before´
Our children watch what those presents did to their relatives in Palestine,we dont force them to watch anything,we try not to let them watch it too so they can sleep the night peacefully.
But that is something you actually cant hide.
CANLI, is there anyone you don´t condemn besides Turkey?
How do you know what is being taught in Israel? Been there? Worked there? Taught there? I´m guessing no.
I went to Israel and Palestine. I spoke with 18 year old Israeli soldiers, women, who wanted to be in college studying foreign languages and advertising. They said they were never taught to hate anyone and that they didn´t hate anyone. They just wanted Hamas to stop lobbing rockets into Israel, but they were more afraid of having to kill someone than of being killed. I may not agree with what Israel did, but did it ever occur to you that if Hamas and the Palestinian people could be trusted to live amongst the Jews in peace, do business together, and help each other, then it might be possible for peace in that area. During cease fires, Israel keeps their word. Hamas does not.
You don´t know CANLI. None of us do. We aren´t there. We are in our nice homes and cafes typing on our laptops while drinking our coffee and eating our scones. None of us really know what is happening, and if you think Palestinian, Arab, or Israeli media paint an honest picture, you are naive and sadly mistaken.
You sound like you think it is okay to show pictures of dead, decapitated, mangled people to small children in order to make them understand. Some of your comments lead me to believe that perhaps you want them to see the pictures in order to make them hate. Even when you protest, you seem insincere.
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22 Jan 2009 Thu 12:25 pm |
CANLI, is there anyone you don´t condemn besides Turkey?
How do you know what is being taught in Israel? Been there? Worked there? Taught there? I´m guessing no.
I went to Israel and Palestine. I spoke with 18 year old Israeli soldiers, women, who wanted to be in college studying foreign languages and advertising. They said they were never taught to hate anyone and that they didn´t hate anyone. They just wanted Hamas to stop lobbing rockets into Israel, but they were more afraid of having to kill someone than of being killed. I may not agree with what Israel did, but did it ever occur to you that if Hamas and the Palestinian people could be trusted to live amongst the Jews in peace, do business together, and help each other, then it might be possible for peace in that area. During cease fires, Israel keeps their word. Hamas does not.
You don´t know CANLI. None of us do. We aren´t there. We are in our nice homes and cafes typing on our laptops while drinking our coffee and eating our scones. None of us really know what is happening, and if you think Palestinian, Arab, or Israeli media paint an honest picture, you are naive and sadly mistaken.
You sound like you think it is okay to show pictures of dead, decapitated, mangled people to small children in order to make them understand. Some of your comments lead me to believe that perhaps you want them to see the pictures in order to make them hate. Even when you protest, you seem insincere.
Same as it wasnt the US to blame in the Vietnam war,its not israel to blame,eh ?!
That was also your opinion
Yes,i agree,Palestinians and Hamas should be good boys and gals in order to be trusted and give THE REST of THEÃR lands to israel !
No comment really !
à just wonder,
Ãf that was your land,your country,your home,Would this still be your opinion ?!
No need to answer !
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22 Jan 2009 Thu 12:43 pm |
heres the talk of apples 
we talk about hamas, but apples are in vietnam.
Same as it wasnt the US to blame in the Vietnam war,its not israel to blame,eh ?!
That was also your opinion
Yes,i agree,Palestinians and Hamas should be good boys and gals in order to be trusted and give THE REST of THEÃR lands to israel !
No comment really !
à just wonder,
Ãf that was your land,your country,your home,Would this still be your opinion ?!
No need to answer !
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