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The first thing i can say, this depends on the place you are planning to visit/live.

But ofcourse, there are districts where are conservative, but it has changed alot since the TV and internet are spreading all over the country. The only thing to be careful would be dressing, not that it is wrong but to prevent yourself from unwanted occassions, if you are walking or travelling alone. As we are still intending to comment and judge people, according to their dressings...

For family meetings etc.. elder people would love to be kissed on their hands and put on your forehead to show the respect, and no leg-over-leg while sitting together in a room.

Actually this is not like this for me, my family and my neighbourhood, but still the tabus are existing.

..in some cultures leg over leg means ..not available for sex

if you are with mini-skirt and has beautiful legs, there is no culture will take it in that way

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they dont like you to show your bare feet, like if you are sat with your shoes off they dont seem to like to see the soles of your feet,especially if they are ditry

dont do the ok sign, it means gay

(in case you were wondering I think deli meant to say ´dirty´

If you are a woman don´t touch men while talking.

If some man stare at you with his eyes shining,huge smile at his face and little bump infront of him do not smile at him (if you don´t want to start a relationship ofcourse)

Learn the place before you go and have clothes according to their acceptance (Don´t go istanbul fath with a mini-skirt,)

If you are a man, we really do not like to hear from you how beautiful or girlfriend-wife-sister or mother.Keep it to yourself.

Men can shake hands some one theyjust meet or after a shopıng deal but women should not.(hey can with women)

Kiss from both chick, right first,left later(your right and left).Dont make left first or you end up kissing lips accidently and it is pretty akward ( a few of my amerikan friend know taste of my lips because of that)

Women do not smoke where are men older from you if you are in to family visit or some one invited you to their house( if you ask me dont smoke at all, it kills you)

Women, be carefull with hitchiking.

Always ask the price before you eat something.

If you need to travel alone late, buy a turkish newspaper and keep it some place people can see it, make it look like you read it.

Women when you are tarvellig alone, if more then 2 guys says you something nasty (you ll understand from their reactions) do not answer, do not start to run, just look infront, never look them, walk faster towards some one else, to some other women or a shop.

....I ll add more later.....

and thanks for info and more to come!

OMG, you are good! loved this info. although i dont need this at all, it was pretty fun. you are good.

Wow great info! Thanks.  Looking forward to reading the next installment 

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Thanks you interregister for all this information. Waiting for the second part!

I think a decent woman can speak with a man but in the same time to keep him at distance. And i think that saying all the time ´´ im married´´ is like an excuse...something like ´´ i would like to speak with you but..´´

Nasty in an aggressive way? I´m out of there. Nasty in a sexual/harassing way? I suddenly know a lot of Turkish..... (probably the words your mom didn´t teach you!)

 Here is an answer from a decent Turkish girl.

I would hit my purse on his head and kick him at his rounded things between his legs!

Oh! I am joking!

Here is the serious answer:

No male shop assistant would dare to ask a Turkish girl such a question which is unrelated with the shopping itself, unless the girl encourage him with her eyes or gestures. Even when the girl encourages the boy, he can become a dumb all of a sudden because of the unexpected gift of destiny!  It would be the same with foreigner girls when this assistant is an educated and quality guy. If not, probably because he has this stupid and also disgusting opinion that all the foreigner girls are easy to go sleep with, or because to show the traditional Turkish hospitality  he can ask you "where are you from".  When this happens to you, the best behaviour is to answer him politely, avoiding eye contact, implying you would not want him to ask more questions.

I don´t mind people asking me question about where I´m from, if I have kids and what my profession is. Contact with locals is the reason I travel. But there is a huge difference between a question like ´where are you from?´ and ´have you ever had a Turkish boyfriend and what do you think of his qualities in bed?´ (And that really happened to me in Kapalı Carsı!!)

It will sounds funny to you guys, and ll shock you but actually they are not hitting you

Salesmen have strange idea, they all think foreigner ladies-specially if they are above 40-45, are wanting to flirst with young and strong turkish men.How in the world they think like this i don´t know, but they think if they flirt with you they can succed to sale.Specially Jewelery and carpet shops has this kind guys.Reason of their flirting questions are only make the sale...(i know throug my convertsations with salesmen)

So just pay attention to product, and ask questions only about products, do not ask personal questions or no need to answer their personal questions.

Of course no need to be rude, there are lots of warm hearted nice turkish people who is willing to help you only, so as ReyhanL said, put a distence between, (it is a women talent i have no idea how you do it but i know you can do it-they done to me - )

 Well, if you were so quick to show off your ankles above your clogs then maybe this wouldn´t happen.  Everyone knows how you Cloggies seduce young Turkish boys by showing your ankles and throwing small bits of cheese at them!

 I am still not buying a carpet from you interregister!

 Not trying to be funny but could you explain why this is  viewed as an issue ? Do you mean leg over own leg like women sit sometimes, or leg over someone elses leg (which i guess most people would not do anyway )

Have I been a hussy without even knowing ?

Lucky me i am not in sales business

 othervise o would be starving now Not good at flirting...

Showing my ankles? Elisabeth! Not without a wedding ring!

 I have even heard rumors that you have made eye contact with strange men and even spoken while not with having a male chaperone...I have very reliable sources so don´t bother denying it!

But, but, but.... I wore the burka you gave me! 

What ´ok´ sign? And it supposedly means that "you" are gay, or that "I" am gay?

What if "they" have their legs crossed? Does it mean that they are trying to insult you?

yes

in many cultures it is sign of bad form. smth indecent and improper.

when woman sits like this and shake upper leg a bit what does it mean? it is seducing sign ... though they say men do not interpret this gesture like that so we fail here ...

and i think they expect foreigners being different

I´m sitting exactly like this right now, alone in my sitting room.  Wonder who I´m trying to seduce 

I think you´re just practising!

So between learning Turkish and my leg seducing technique practicing I´ll be all set for my trip back to Turkey in the summer, them boys/dudus had better watch out hehe 

Well, actually those are not a problematic things for my neighbourhood(my family, friends etc...)

Mostly we used to end up puzzled while watch movie with my ex gfs...

But in Anatolia, mother and father are like the gods of the house, they are highly respected and want it to be shown... so if your friend, or the family you visit, is from anatolia and still carries on with old customs, you should just sit down..

All in all... with the spread of the media into our society, those things are very very less...  no such things would look so strange if your friends are living in Istanbul or in Izmir....

Again it is just your luck, that it alll depends where the people you are dealing with are coming from

if you play puzzle together with your ex girlfriendS, and if they play together puzzle with each other, i can not imagine what can cause a problem in your neigbourhood

You said this in your previous post:

Actually this is not like this for me, my family and my neighbourhood, but still the tabus are existing.

And now you say ths:

Well, actually those are not a problematic things for my neighbourhood(my family, friends etc...)

The thing that i have difficulty in understanding with your posts is that why you need to underline those words...Don´t you like your culture? Do you think you are wise and modern but those who still follow such traditions are fools and they still live in dark age or what? What is wrong with, for instance,showing respect to your dad by not sitting leg over leg in front of him? I am 100% sure when you are in front of a man of higher rank, you don´t even dare to sit, but just standing on your feet, the buttons of your jacket are buttoned up, not knowing where to put your hands bla bla bla...Is your dad is less respected than a mayor, for example, a public prosecutor or something like that?

I think he´s saying that "it´s not like that in his neighborhood", what is wrong with that? I hope you respect that not everybody is so conservative that they don´t dare to sit down in the presence of their fathers.. !! These strict (often pointless and oppressive in my opinion) rules do cause problems between people who dare to question them, so I don´t see an issue with Sui using the words: "those are not a problematic things", meaning that these rules are not source of problems in his family/neighborhood.

Personally, I do not respect those rules, but I do respect people who still follow them, that´s why if I was in that environment, I´d speak badly about these rules, but I would still try to obey some of them.

Nothing would be wrong with that, if he simply said it was not like that in his neighborhood. I do equally respect both conservatives and nonconservatives.There, of course, are rules that I don´t respect either, but, like you, I do respect people who still follow them. What made me irritated with his posts was those words that they looked to me as if they were repeated purposely to make a difference between him, his neighborhood and those who are conservatives, and that they were making him and his neighborhood look wiser and more modern. I hate taking advantage of anything.I hope I am clearer now.  

yes, thank you, I agree.

  Wake up to read this :

 Oh I´ll tell you what they want.

FIRST THEY WANT TO F**K YOU.

THEN THEY WANT TO LICK YOU.

THEN THEY WANT TO TAKE YOUR MONEY AND SEND YOU ON YOUR WAY *starts crying* LIKE A DAMN LOVE LETTER. Thats what.

To ´fit in´ sell your body on the street and make sure you hold a sign that say

´I am a lonely person with money who wants love, I give mine free"

And you are fitting in, personal experience.

But, hey, that is just what I think. (more like know tukachic)

Oh, and don´t forget to smile today.

Forum title: What do Turkish people expect form foreigners?  I just explained this for you. Your Welcome.

Wow ... that´s pretty bitter, and a pretty critical generalization of a whole nation.  I know that all Turks are not like that, and many westerners and other europeans ARE just like that.  There are good and bad everywhere ...  

Just one thing, if this is the thing you care more about the posts, then please we should not come together again... with talking...

This was even not the least thing you should understand...

Maybe you should have understood, i can not tell more because we dont use to apply such things around me, not because we are wiser or i hate my culture-though there are some points i dislike in order to be objective....- just we were brought up in a different environment...

And please leave it to me, how i show my respect to my parents At least you can do this for me...

Have a nice day

What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

WOW! Our friend Amber Lonsinger thinks that Turkish people are male and foreigners are all women ! 

(daises for suigeneris since he is alergic to them and think we bring shame to this site while doing that-that mean be agree with comments whic he won´t be agree )

That is what some (some= huge number ) turkish men expects. but as others said not all same, not all wants this.

Rest of them wants you took them abroad, they can work there, get citizenship dump you and bring their wife and kids You see, we all not that bad ...

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well put

upsydaisy is neurotic.

one thing irritates me. isnt there any consideration for foreigners?

doesnt any signle turk come up with an idea of tolerance?

e.g. a foreign person doesnt know the customs thus behaves the way s/he behaves?

when a foreigner comes to my country I know she or he hasnt got a clue of customs, so I dont expect anything. nobody expects anything. we just know that they are foreigners. we are there to help them, to make sure that they feel home.

i mean what an arrogance to expect your guest to know the rules and stupid customs (yes, very stupid idiotic customs) and then to get angry if not followed?

 I agree .

 Me too.

yeah me too.

great personal experience! there is smth in saying that we get what we deserve...

btw, there is nothing bad in making acquaintance with turkish women. they are great by the way. and due to my experience, none of them wanted/tried to f... me.

in they do not expect anything.

again from my personal experience nobody expected me to kiss hand and put it to forehead, they just advised me not to eat while walking etc. they told me some customs among other things, corrected me with smile. and even despite that added that as i was young lady i might not follow all those "old" rules. they left it to me and let me being free.

to tell the truth i tried to follow to show my respect to people around, to culture and etc. and when i kissed hand of one old lady she was just happy, though it was hard for me bec till that i never ever kissed anyone´s hand. and not bec i dont respect, it just does not come natural for me. respect for me is smth other

i live in big city in my country and when i travel in the middle of nowhere within my country i feel foreigner. we speak almost the same language etc, but i m far from all those traditions etc. and they also dont expect me to know everything. local people are tolerant to me, show and tell me how to behave. and it is ok.

i think initial question is more suitable for those who are going to marry and want to be liked by future mother-in-law and gonna live in country for long. so some little hints to be understood correctly.

to avoid such situation i was advised to walk towards traffic

then car wont be able to follow you. AND IT WORKED ))

Seriously, trobles makes people clever

Are they really do that much, I mean, stop to car, offer you ride or follow you ? Sounds like more Harlem to me...not like i have been there, i guess..

never been to Harlem... cant compare ))

in fact not THAT much but if you look good enough

and it would be coquetry to tell that women dont like men´s attention. (and vice versa) it is felt nice to see you are attractive. we even say that if you want to feel yourself real woman - go to Turkey. and not for 1-2 weeks of "romance" on vacation. just for such attention. so ...

yes, men talk, ask smth, but it does not bother me - i keep walking my way. sometimes talk to sales men, try a lot of clothes on and leave without any purchase 

but i cnnot remember any serious problems.

just car is more dangerous, so it probably was really good advice.

 There is much consideration and tolerance towards foreigners in vast areas of the country. And I dare to say arrogance is not a common thing as it comes to foreigners´behaviour. Somehow I haven´t noticed anybody angry with not obeying or breaking the customs.At least by me. Dwelling on Turkish expectations and overgeneralisation evident in this thread makes me burst into laughter.You are all specialists in Turkish character !!!!!!!!Tebrikler

What about a foundation?

All this discussion in this thread is grossly exaggereted for me. Wouldn´t it be better to start from scratch and convert it into"What most foreigners expect from Turks?"more fun ppl it would provide.

Ps I picked up lemon´s post since i am as well in a bunch of ppl who agree  with her words of wisdom.When you are a guest everybody makes you feel at home despite customs,trends ,fashions,etc...

hmmm? ne?

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oh, plz, dont make ptaszek angry.

you better strat that thread and please her.

One of the most important issue in Turkish culture is guest/host relationship.

If some one is visited my house, even if they were disrespectfull, i would not be fighting them under my roof.

Also it is very old tradition and i dont know if anyone follows it anymore, but if your enemy, run from his/her own enemies and refuge under your roof, you most protect him/her.Even die if it is necessery. (i have no enemy, so i would not know anything about what i would do )

So for those who says thay had no problem with their breaking cultre, don´t think people are ok with your behaviours.Just because you are guest in our country we tolarete you.

Same think happening to religious workers to turkey.People would listen them, even be agree with them for avoiding any conflict, so workers ll think, o there is great hunger in this country for truth (whatever that truth is according their beliefe, Raelianism, Budism, Chiristianity, Mormonism etc...)But the TRUTH is people are just tolareting you(if they have no secon intention, for example if you are mini-skirted lady, and cross your legs, no one ll warn you because they can see your lingerie -i know truth hurts always-)

So this topic is kind of one of the most useful topic in TC, ofcourse we are kidding, jerking arround, complaining and yes exedurating-cartoonizing things, but they are naked truths also

So i don´t care what foreigners expect from me-as a turk, since Misafir umduğunu değil, bulduğunu yer-Guest won´t eat what he hopes he ll eat, but eats what ever availible on the table- So don´t get me wrong, i have many foreigner friends, i loved, loved by foreigners, working with them,trying to help them any way i can do, but hey, i did not invite any of them,they come, if they expect from me to walk upside down,that is their problem.

 oki, I read it

are you in cahoots with blabbermouths?Boy,damn talkative you are

this is such a fun topic!

In my opinion I thing people should respect cultures because it is what everyone different of some kind. without culture things would be a mess, no one would know any boundaries and etc.

I have lived in Turkey, and i have experience the culture which I love so much. I never had a problem, and if you were me you would think ouch... ( my skin color is black) so everywhere i went i was either ARAP, ZENGI, CHOCOLATE, you name it but do i think that the people are bad for saying that! NO way. I think its just the curiosity that most have, who have never seen a black person in there life would react the same way. Turkish people are general nice, kind and i mean very kind because even if you find one fighting with the other one minute ago, and the same asks for help they will help him even without thinking that they just disagreed a minute ago! So for those who are visiting or staying, learn the people culture and live by your own as well because no one expects you to be a TURK IF YOUR NOT.

Be nice, don´t judge anyone and your life will be sweet as Lokum.

Oh damn, i wish i know english that well. I have no idea what is that cahoots blabbermouths but if they are good, yea deffinetly i am, if they are bad i definetly not, it is just vicious slander

Cahoots =  in partnership with

blabbermouth  = someone who talks too much, not discreet, may gossip

They are old fashioned slang...sort of cute...maybe not...if you think of the meanings

 now you sound like namby-pamby

hey where is your all hail-fellow-well-met-with attitude,a slander???from me??

What might be acceptable, or even cute,  from a foreigner, would not be desirable from a daughter in law.

You ask what makes an educated and modern Turkish person say something like that. 

Well if  you read this forum enough you will quickly realize sexual mores are quite different. What is acceptable in Western culture is not accepted in Turkish culture.

Can you imagine a Turkish man with a wife who many men were openly admiring and expressing flirting with?  In the West the wife is often an adornment, her looks and charm are an attribute to her husband.  Actually, there is a long tradition of this throughout European history.

alameda..that reminds me of an old song my Grandmother used to play all the time.  Definately a reflection of a different time.

If You Wanna Be Happy 
By Jimmy Soul 

If you wanna be happy 
For the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife,
So from my personal point of view, 
Get an ugly girl to marry you.

A pretty woman makes her husband look small
And very often causes his downfall.
As soon as he marries her 
Then she starts to do
The things that will break his heart.
But if you make an ugly woman your wife,
You´ll be happy for the rest of your life,
An ugly woman cooks her meals on time,
She´ll always give you peace of mind.

Don´t let your friends say 
You have no taste,
Go ahead and marry anyway,
Though her face is ugly, 
Her eyes don´t match,
Take it from me she´s a better catch.

Say man. 
Hey baby. 
Saw your wife the other day. 
Yeah?
Yeah, she´s ugly. 
Yeah, she´s ugly but she sure can cook. 
Yeah?. Okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NF5XU-k2Vk

Ha ha .... Great song, and a lot of truth to that...but you see if you are wearing your burka, who knows if you are ugly or pretty?

you see, lisa? burka solves all your problems, and you unneceraly complain.

 not so sure

i still cant see if she is ugly or not.

I agree, there are bad and good peoples everywhere in the word. by the way, there are many turk lokantasi near my home and I admire their owners (turkish peoples working in my town) every day; they clean inner, outer, in front of their markets, hourly; but my connational not..we have to learn from they how to sell our good and how to be a good neighbour; they have always a smile on face, even it is just for trade...

I would be glad if you wouldnt repeat my name, nick name or anything related to me, in any post of you... please... keep your assumptions and guesses about me to yourself

You describe me me me!!!!

Are you breaking up with me after all we lived together ? is that so easy ?Don´t leave me please...

Well, you certainly can see a lot, and surmise a lot out of what you see.....good leg musculature ....should be able to walk, run stand....can stand and walk in strange foot devices....indicates she is versatile

love you too

and it is perfectly ok. sometimes my mom hardly tolerates me (the same culture, the same religion, the same family, even genes, but what a different result !!!!)

dont love us, tolerating is ok

From my experience:

- Turkish merchants expect foreigners to buy their carpets, scarves, jewellery and leather

- ugly old Turks expect blonde westerners to be willing to have sex with them. Why they´d think so... no idea

- Turks expect appreciation of their culture and cuisine (the latter is really easy)

 Sorry, I don´t agree with you...not "well put", but full of logical errors...it is so that that I didn´t bother myself to reply...finding it "well put" shows only one thing that you need a psychologist as much as I do.  

I do have a psychologist friend which makes discount if we go all together

good. please, take upsy, amber and ptaszek with you. i pay!

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 ..and rakı 

 ..or Efes

maybe she is in contact with swingers ... who knows

Almeda is right-about what i am telling you now-

Turks things that we have so high moral values but no one else does.You can frlit with a foreigner´s wife-husband-daughter-sister and they wont be jelous at all, they ll even be proud of how beautiful is their woman so everyone wants to sleep with her. Son as you see ladies telling that you are merried, or walking with your english husband won´t pervent Turkish gusy from hitting you but only will put your husband in to bad stiuation.

But you know what, on the news, you seen eveyday Turkish dad´s raped their daughter, uncle´s abused their nice, brothers raped their brother.

In kuşadası, one bussiness man said he has aids, more than a thousand turkish ladies in kuşadası wen to aids test.Neighbour kidnap-rape-run away with their neighbour´s wife.

And we Turks have such a high moral value that no one else does..

To ReyhanL:-That is not my mobid imagination-it is just pure news.

So do you see double standarts?

double standards are everywhere. some admit some dont (out of pride, of course).

Yea you are right, every bad is in every where and we turks are all saints.. opps, i forget my wings at my neigbour´s wifes bed...

What reason they have to rape their relatives ?

  dont be soooooo loud. you may hurt feelings of holy turks (and their western friends, i meant girlfriends, who would tear you into pieces for telling "the naked truth").

Even my filty mind and mobiding imagination can not find a reason for that.

But there is writer called Ellen White, and she says, to find a reason, excuse for sin is trying to deffend it. In the world there can not be any reason for that but pervertion and sickness..

Who said that turks are saints ?

If anyone did he/she is biggest liar i did mobiding imagination that someone ll

i think the main reason is a lack of punishment and a green light from the society. anyway nothing happens to the criminal, and the victims are to be blame.

hehe, keep up the good fun inter, let me add a few more "when they see a women, they say meat, when they see a girl, they say fresh meat, when they see their daughters, sons or relatives, they say delicous meat." So the ones who are married with Turks, be careful, take care of your daughters and sons. In fact  as an advice divorce immediately, or for the ones who are planning to marry, do not marry.

p.s.:sorry for using the word "fresh", i know some members here are obsessed with that.

iyi malzeme 

 Yeah, you can see that dialogue in Turkish movies a lot, when they are looking at women´s bottom, they say "iyi malzeme" ...

Its the pure truth by the way.

Maalesef  i hear this when my bf`s friends are talking about women .

 As i said its the pure truth .

Shall i mention about...iyi sakso yapıyor ? 

 Hmm, I would not go that far. At the end, I am turk, and i have no intention to dispise my nationality,or make it close comunity.I love cross culture marriages.I love when i see a Jew who is married with an Arab.I love to see tuks with foreig husbands and wives.After all, here in TC we are trying to find right way to break cultural diffrences.

Anyway, pervertion spreads to world and Turkey no diffrent the rest but may be more..I just wanted to draw attention for saying one but doing just opposite...

If i were you i would listen to advise of armageddon and kick that guy immidiately ( if that is your bf who says that )

 Never. One of his friend says... from long time i promised to myself and not only..that i will tape this kind of conversation and put in on internet...i hope next month i will do it.

You should go that far, isnt that the pure truth as you are following the news everyday, dont  you see? Lol, i am surprised  you are a Turk , and you are very funny . hmmm cross-cultural maariages with Turks are dangerous, but for one night they are ideal, they are very good at bed, isnt that the truth? And i also know Turks are unique in throwing mud to their culture, is another pure truth .

Anyway one more advice, it seen everyday on news, a Turk raped a donkey, a dog, chicken, goat even a demijohn. So if you are feeding a kind of pet, and you are near a Turk, run and please stay away from that Turk. These are the truths btw ...

oh, please, your turkish pride is hurt now!

the sentence I underlined isnt true at all, my dear, such turks are indeed unique that it actually happens 1 to 1000

-Turks won´t throw mud in their culture but some of them brave enough to face their lacking points.

-It is not at the news everyday Turks rape dogs,cats,chicken and donkeys but that does not mean it is not happening.When you keep girls and boys seperate, thorowing everykind of taboo to people´s mind,showing opposite sex to each other as ´danger, do not touch´, and also bomb them with idea of sex in every area, movies,advertisments,song clips etc..thet would f*ck what ever they can..including family members,donkeys...

-I would not know how turk´s are good at bed, since i am a turkish straight man, none of them f*cked me, and no girl told me ´ohh, you are the man of year at the bed, you are so good,strong,super-sex man, etc...´

-Yep, i was told before but did not believe it, when you article thins looks like you are saying something important

So you are the brave one, eh? Different kind of Turk, i have never met before . As you say pervertion spreads all over the world and Turkey, it seems you are a professional and visited many countries, how come do you conclude that these are not the everyday news now, but before you said its seen everyday(you see everyday on news Turks raping relatives but not raping animals)? You know what we Turks call you in this situation, thats "dansöz gibi kıvırtma" . Ohh, im sorry to hear that nobody said to you "you are man of the year in bed" such a bad situation. The ones i mentioned is not much different than yours, am i not brave enough smarty?

Its like the pure truths that inter and me mentioned about Turks. Why dont you say others not the truth?

I can see you did not get your medicine today. Here some statistics for you:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=ensest

I do not need to go many countries.Just watch the news, if you can find time from Kurtlar Vadisi

Actually turks not calls my stiuation ´dansöz gibi kıvırma´but calls your ´lafı kıçından anlama´.Pervertions which i mentioned are on the news.

http://www.tumgazeteler.com/?q=tecav%FCz&qy=&gun=7000&sira=Tarih

Yours is not.But you know that they are true, so that is why you mentioned that.

I don´t know if i am the brave kind, but i know you are the idiot kind.Did not understand one word of my sentences and trying to mock me ?

I am very virgin for a sexologist, I do have only knowledge of everyday´s news on pervertions.If you read something besided footbaal newspapers or horse race bulletins, you would also have that.

Just use your braid dude.Biggest problem with turks, we are not honest to ourself.No one is telling our bad parts to blame us, but warn us, but even if they want to shame as apply that quote to whole nation:

A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her.  ~David Brinkley

I admire your desire to protect Turkishness, but best way to do it, willing to change and get rid of the rotten tomatoes.

oh, armegon i thought you changed, matured

i was wrong.

the other truth i didnt care for. im not interested in dog or donkey rape.

i love this statement:

A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her.  ~David Brinkley

but I would add: throw shoes too, please.

Ohh mate, did i say anything different tha yours? why are you such angry ? These are pure truths everyday we see on news. You and me know very well the biggest problem of Turks, dont we?  By the way i cannot watch any serials, i dont know why, maybe im different like you.

 Yeah you only care the pride of Turks..

yeah, I still am asking that question: why do people have no sense of humour?

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 I was surprised too .

 There was a writer called Ellen White, it appears to me you are on your prophecy mission with "the naked truth banner"  now,here

A bit obsolete writer,your reading taste inter is horrible

Not good,spiritual American influencing a Turk,tyt-tyt

are you also writing what Lord tells you to write as she did.

Will we see Patriarchs and prophets of TLC edition too?I want to subscribe ,especially the part on lemon´s concern about my health.Have always been her favourite

Peace upon you!

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 Why are you

 I am not,I am pretty sure

I have read similar things from one of thhe...former member before

Return of the thehandsom ? 

 Ahh sorry , hes very honest too...

 My thoughts exactly!!! 

especially for ptaszek, my faorite:

  dont be soooooo loud. you may hurt feelings of holy turks (and their western friends, i meant girlfriends, who would tear you into pieces for telling "the naked truth").

 Lemon you deserve the banner with suitable notice,hope will provide soon at least one for you

hows your treatment darlink?

one of academics,ks Jan Twardowski used to say

there are 4 kinds of truth

moja prawda-my truth

twoja prawda-your truth

tyz prawda - i agree truth

i g****o prawda-crap truth

your choice is wide as you see,help yourself,lemon

Hmmm, i think some one mixing with me some other one.

Also i think trying to be smartass is a sickness spreading so quick.Started with idiot-ass armegon and contunuing

I am asking you -i do not have any religious part or arguments in my "interregister" identity.Never started one, never ll be, just some time quoting thigs whih I think ll fit in to situation.So do not start arguing or mockin any religion.Or if you want, we can stary a serious discussion about that.

I am not part of any group-organisation which is targetted here to spreading something-a holly mission with naked truth banner-.Just having fun by mysef.

If you are not agree what i am saying, -which is very good, you have brain, you read what i wrote and you think about it-instead of quoting and mocking, try to proof your own points. But since yesterday forum become thinhs interregister said and things other turks said for critise it.

 Last thing, what ever discussions i have here does not make me run,and come with another id-since some one mention user ´handsome´ - i wish i would be handsome, but i am not handsome at all.Not ugly but not handsome-so if i get bored of some idiots opinioun about my quotes or comments, just ll stay in translation part, that is main reason i become member actually.

have fun, by the way i ll continue publishing my ideas and observations on what turks expect from foreigners.just from now avoiding any arguments..

Thank you inter, it was a pleasure to have fun with you but im sorry i am sorry i am not funny like you, i cannot amuse the foreign ladies here ..

 what the best dressing i can dressed if i want to goto istanbul

Is that really all life about for you ? who can amuse who, who is more populer...it is just a nickname pal, only with one person here is in my realworld. So i do not care rest, if it ll makes you happy, i ll try to be  les "amuser"...

Also you have my number now, when there is some think he like to tell me like interclown or dansöz you can call me 7/24...but if ignore me totally that can sasve both of us from some toruble...

Is that really all life about for you ? who can amuse who, who is more populer...it is just a nickname pal, only with one person here is in my realworld. So i do not care rest, if it ll makes you happy, i ll try to be  les "amuser"...

Also you have my number now, when there is some think he like to tell me like interclown or dansöz you can call me 7/24...but if ignore me totally that can sasve both of us from some toruble...

@Interregister:

What am I supposed to think by looking at that search trend result for "ensest" ? That Turkey is at top? Yeah; but "ensest" is a loan word derived from "incest" and probably only exists in Turkish, that´s natural. Or that Turks seach about incest? Yep, but in this case this is not an objective comparative result that proves we search"more about it. Can you clarify this for me please?

Besides there is a perfectly fine explanation why Turkish people are a little obsessed over sex. We try to live our daily-lives by the western standards, having late marriages, being exposed to sexual freedom in our media etc. However we also try to retain Eastern moral values, marriage before sex is a taboo, virginity is a taboo, sex = sin etc. As a result there are a lot of youths out there who see it all the time, but can not get it. And they head for internet for porn, simple as that. Or they desperately try to get it on with foreign women, who do not have these taboos.

In the end, even if we are really perverted and deviants, it´s ok I am not ashamed. It´s what we are.

its really difficult to find a balance between the culture (religious or traditional) and liberalism. these two cant go together.

@Yersu

No, you should see it is a getting more hit every year.That was for defending-pervertion is spreading all over the world more and more.That is all...

poor inter, you dont know me for sure. I love your actings, i just wanted to voice it. Aha its the first time, i got a phone-number here, i will send mine too, you want to beat me i guess. By the way i wont ignore you, i am all open to funny opinions, but if you want you can ignore me, no problem for me ...

Totally agree with this one.

I will have to disagree inter;

How about demographics, did you factor it in? The increase in population, or any change in the number of people who are in a sexually active age group?

Did you factor in the increase in the number of households which have internet access?

That statistic only says "Search for the term ensest is on the rise", not perversion is spreading nor people are getting more perverted.

Yes yersu, that is why i post second link, which is all news..

wow after reading all those posts, I think some of you took this topic out of context.

what i mean by that is qouting the forum " what do turkish people expect from foreigners"

I´m not how it ended in discussing hoe sexual people are there espeacially how men react to females over there! I don´t think TR is the only place with this issues, you can find disqusting people all over the world. needless to say one should be careful with who they involve themselves with.

Again we live is such an imparfect world, and so is the humans under it. their people out there who don´t have good intentions towards anyone, will try to exploit you in anyway they can. All you can do for yourself is be aware of your sorroundings, and don´t put yourself in some sticky compromised situations. It can happen any where even in your own neighbourhood.

treat this world as a stranger, don´t let your guard down just because someone is nice to you,

 you have a mind of your own so USE YOUR SENSES

Peace

Well this thread certainly has taken a turn.....ewww........gentlemen........puuuleeze..........

I can´t go through all these posts to check for insults...  Please report to mods/admins if rules have been broken. Thank you.

 If you realized they want to F**K you firstly, it seems you are getting what you deserved..or you were giving signals for that actions..( I really wonder what  you have done to firstly get  that request)

  If you realized all of them want those list, why you are still here?

Easy there pal. I too don´t acknowledge her post but give her a break people. It should be obvious by now but she is a troubled young person and being gullible is not a crime.

(Plus, you don´t have the right to question why a member is on this site, don´t be so rude.)

You do post a comment-your idea, and people who disgree with you, insted of prooving-arguing their point will try to insalt you-just like they can hurt a virtual heart- so that is culture,and who ever make crtyisims know also that no need to admin for that.

Some people who have habits of arrogance & disrespect, is subject to be mocked & insulted even if they are right in their argument, kind of universal rule.

She was just walking arround with her daily clothes-may be a tight jean or a skirt little bit upper then her knees. And while she is walking, just to be kind that people who is staring her, smiled..Walla, here your signal and deservation...

I am just so agree with you for the first time...

Any way lets continue what turkish people expect

-You love baklava, you been all arround the world but did not eat anything like that, you just can not do without it.

-Black tea come to turkey from england ? never heard that, you think black tea originally from turkey, but anyway, there is no tea like Karadeniz tea,

-Do you know what you really like about tarhana soup, it is so feedy, and taste nothing else in the world. And you did eat it before in Turkey, but the one you are eating(actually we drink soup here, noth eat-as a term-)just now, is so delicious.

-In some areas of turkey people do not use tables to eat.They have very picnic kind of eating.Ask your friend-bf-gf-hb-wf before you go if they are eatin in "yer sofrası", and if yes, do not go with short skirt.

-After eating, try to help cleaning of table, of course they won´t let you do that mostly but that will show you are, you ll be a respectfull wife-if that is the case, or a good impress to their daughter-if just friendship-.

-ıf they are wathing tv while you are there (if you spend more then 5 hour together at the house that is very likely)be silent andt stare at tv.When everybody laugh, try to gigle, if they ask you why, repat last scene yo seen with your actions.If they cry, just put a sad face on you, if they ask why just do "i dont know sign"

-When you walk with your bf-hb, that is pretty sure some guys will stare you, in this case hold your husband´s, by´s hand or arm more tight, to make him feel safe, you are with him, you care him, you have no interet in that loosers.

-always try to walk with your hb-bf arm-in-arm (google it if you do not do that in your country to see how it is done), if your gf-wife turkish, always hold her hand.

-ok, great we know you have still young and tight body/great body, but try to wear mode modest swimming suites.( actually that depends of your bf, if you did not sleep with and he invites you to swimming, most likely he wants to see you so before you go show him your swimming suite and ask if that is ok,i know you are independent woman and you won´t let anybody control your life, but be smart for a while.)

-when you go your bf-hb home hug their mom-sister, if you go your gf-wf home shake hands strongly with his brothers.

-Always bring some chocolates, (please, i love them-and of course you ll visit me when you come to turkey after all this instruction to make your  relationship better, won´t you, so bring my chocolates-) if there is a kid-ther always be a kid- at the house, bring m&m´s.I love them also, but that is for kids...

-If your relationship just starting, it is ok bring parfume, shirts, or anything cost les then 100 bucks.But never a cellphone-laptop etc.I know he is very honest and really love you, but why you wanna pland a seed in his mind that you can effort this kind of gifts, no big deal(eşeğin aklına karpuz kabuğu düşürmek)

I may or may not add more later...

 do u have the rght of limiting the rights of th others?

 everything has its firdst time

Do I have a right to ask you if you have a right of defending other people´s right against who is limiting their rights

Upsy  is RIGHT yersu, also that is everyday´s issue in turkish Chat, come time to tim, all people ask why you are learning, why you are on this site As a converstation starter of coure( by the way i am there now it is so lonely and dark or even cold may be, please some one come to chat, i am scared to be alone )

But is your point also, and you are doing good by defending Amber.

-ne şiş yansın ne kebap-

 i disagree! who is right in his argument never has habis of arogance & disrespect. Who never misses any possible occasion to attack the others is just loser. I wont give names here as they know theirselves. 

I would not give only their names but every detail of them-even their underwear size If i pissed of enough but anyway, admin would delete

by the way you are still avoiding me "be bacım", what did I to you

 No,der, you don´thave that rght!

hush, big baby, don´t say a word!  

 hw could i be avoiding you  toprağım!

it is not because u did something to me but because i have no time...it is just the matter of "spare time" toprağım.

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With skirt, try to measure it while you are sitting, not standing, for how much skin it shows.take a mirror and practise, sitting in a few diffrend positions(seriously)..

Do not push your cross-neckless to people´s eye.Better to keep it not shown, not like it will bring you a harm but why showw off ? Jesus said carry your cross, not it´s neckless

You ll be ok generally, but if you are too worried, any time you can pm your pictures and ı can give some notes

There is saying "intelligence can not beat arrogance". imo nothing changes if hes wrong or right, arrogant is arrogant.

 i was just using my right of not agreeing with you! (and also with inter who was agreed with you first time!)  

 I see, you are also taking revenge because i had agreed with someone before.

I just loved it of course, bring more.

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I doubt about some of them but...neyse...

sexi

I was doing some research for  and found this : Seems in Istanbul you don´t have to worry about offending. Legal whore houses??????

If the pavyons are not sufficiently tittilating for your tastes, Turkey has thriving red light districts, where genelev (brothels) operate legally under the control of the municipality. Certain hotels in the sleazier areas of towns also act as unofficial pickup joints. In the past few years Western-style bars and cafes have become the place to see and be seen. Opening hours are long; most bars stay open until 2:00 am and some keep going until 4:00am or later. The most downmarket of these are sawdust-on-the-floor style rock bars, where the beer is incredibly cheap, decoration is minimal, and heavy metal and 70s rock is the order of the day. These are popular among students, and the atmosphere is extremely lively, with lots of political discussion taking place amidst the headbanging. The dress code for these bars is strictly grunge, with body piercing, heavy metal t-shirts, and lots of hair. The oldest and most enduring of these is Koprualti Kemanci, also known as Eski Kemanci, which began life as one of the hangouts under the old wooden Galata bridge, but is now located in Taksim.

Gay nightlife is largely confined to Istanbul, where many bars and clubs cater for the gay community. A��k Radyo has a gay programme where you can find details of any special activities going on. Bilsak, Prive, Hans and Club 14 are currently popular, and are all centrally located around Taksim. A word of warning - always carry your passport or some equivalent ID when you go out.

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I like most of the above outfits and they´re no different to what people wear here. From what I remember about Turkey it basically doesn´t matter what you´re wearing, some people will always make false assumptions about you even if you´re wearing a turtle neck. So, why worry? Put on whatever you want with the exception of visiting religious places, which have their own dress code, just like all religious places in the world. Now, if you´re not dressed properly in mosques, the chances are nobody will tell you to leave, but it just doesn´t speak well about your manners...

 Some people would yes. that is why they are still going strong

yea, some this photos are not ok in every neigbourhood.Use brain, not show too much sking.

And this topic getting hotter everyday

Istanbul is huge. You can find literally everything there, even legal whore houses.

But would you want to?

I was just shocked that prostitution is legal in a country that is over 90% muslim

The same with gay house and drinking

These all exist but no one is willing to mention they exist instead they make fun of foreignors

On the street where I live, women walk in g-strings and there are hookers and transvestites hunting at night. There are quite a few locations in Istanbul where this is a common sight. Usually these streets are sandwiched by the districts of middle income group. Not far away, there are the streets of poor working class-people and the streets they live in closely resemble the villages and towns of Eastern Anatolia they originated from.

These people built their homes on land illegaly seized from public property.  With so many houses built like this, they soon form a neighborhood and gradually become large illegal districts where hundreds of thousands of people live bereft from public services such as water and electricity (both of which are often stolen from public property).

In Turkey, illegal housing shows a mad increase before elections. Politicians and municipalities offer ownership certificates in those newly formed districts. These are the times when land mafia makes it big in a completely tax free environment. These mafia type organizations pave the road for crime, violence and bigotry in these surroundings.

Naturally, these people live as aliens to the host culture. Having said that, this host culture is actually formed by older generations of emigrants. It is hard to find a family living in Istanbul since five or six generation ago. That means the present city culture of Istanbul has hardly been an amalgamation of the past and present. Instead, it is a consequence of a wide scale pillaging of its propery and amassing of its domestic culture by villagers who have become both the perpetrators and the victims of this cultural slaughter.

Where in the world in the istanbul women walk with g-string oh boy, being poor is sucs, i lived in istanbul 27 year-at the neigbourhoods like this dude described,but instead of making an illegal house to ourself, we rented some one elses illegal house that poor- and never knew there are places like that in istanbul.

(opss, but if they wore it under pants or skirt-that is called under wear and applicable to everywhere, even to Fatih, may be specially to Fatih -)

 I consider legal prostitution a sign of civilization, first, because the employees could be monitorized about their healthy and second, the state can take more taxes for development of country

this is horrible

but..remember..the prostitution exist since ancient times

and I will vote for  a legal prostitution, because this job will not dissapear, never....so..these women deserve to have a healthy condition, life and ill assuarance and..why not..a retirement

Legal or Illegal, i am agains prostitution. Or any kind of relationship involving just body.

But i ll translate for them, no problem

 yes I agree to you; prostitution involve only the body, no heart, no feelings..but..as long as it will exist..we have to do something for these women, and here is not about you, me  is about all around the world....my point of view. I fyou look in history will see that prostitution, pervert relationship and lesbian/ guy relationships exist since ancient times; greeks and romans had these kind of relation in their history...I am not saying that prostitution is good; no, it isnt, but it never disapper...maalesef

You are right on that. But think about like this

Right now, even though lots of family are in financial trouble, women of family are not sayin"hmm, so since i can not find another job, let me go and work in whorehouse". Nope, why ? because even it is  the oldest occupation, never respected. I am not saying that this people (tehre are man,gay, 3th kind, prostitutes also) should be misstreated. But saying we should not make this job something like people will enjoy being.

There is no solition for stopping prostitution then rising peoples moral level. No religion is free from that responsibilty. In islamic law (şeriat) countries like Iran, saudi arabia, they have whore houses, where you choose your layd, they make you marry her according islam, you go and f*ck her, then divroce her according islamic rules...And same poeple ll stone you if they see you are kissing your boyfrient on the street little bit hot.

 This was the problem of spritzer at the firs hand. We ll call western contries immoral, pervert, big devil, source of every bad happening, but ll have that kind of immoral places in the hearth of our towns. That is more immoral then being a prostitude.

 The teacher at school asks the child:

- Whats the job of your mother ?

- Prostitute.

 I think is very hard to be a prostitute, to leave away your mind, heart, feelings and sell your body; I dont know if I can understand them; of course, maybe is an easy way to earn money...but is a hard job, I think; so...even a woman has a financial troubles it is hard for her to become a slut....but..this is another story..anyway..hard life...

also is an addiction

Wow this have moved on a bit since the original post!  I would turn the question round and ask, "what do foreigners expect of Turks"  

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This is called hypocritical

 The only thing I would expect of Turks is that they except my minor indiscretions as I would if they visit me (and I have done that!) and I think Turkey is a beautiful diverse country that has much to offer any intrepid traveller.  It is not all about beaches and resorts selling full English breakfast and the notices boards for happy hours and everything is "cheap as chips" oh and not forgetting the young resort workers offering the desperate housewives a "good time"  in exchange for the latest mobile phone and a visa.

 Just spotted there is already a thread of that title!!

If you put the okay sign upside down it means gay. I guess if you would point at yourself with a big smile, and the other hand making the upside down ok, you would make very clear that you yourself are gay But usually it seems to be more of an insult to others.

The Turkish and their handgestures.... you´ll learn them sooner or later. Just like I learned the hard way when I played "I got your noseeee!" with my niece.

wrong thread

Haha ... I remember doing that too!!  I thought my husband was going to die of embarrassment!!  To this day I still don´t know what it means, but I know, it´s baaadddddd ...

 What sign was it ?

Once a positive gesture wishing luck and fertility to the recipient, the Fig -- a fist with the thumb sticking up between the index and middle finger -- is now the equivalent of a bird ( the flip off ) in Turkey.

O i know it.... this is bad in my country too but as i remember from childhood its made sometimes to the children when they expect to see what you are hiding..and in fact you show them this sign..

In Canada, it is a cute childhood game ... you (the adult) pinch the child´s nose and then show them this sign and say ´I got your nose´ ... the half-hidden thumb is supposed to be the ´nose´ you just pinched off of their face. 

Yikes!!! I play this with my twins all the time, they love it, they laugh so much! Think I best knock it on the head when we go to Turkey so , who knew something so innocent could mean something so different!  

http://www.business-with-turkey.com/tourist-guide/turkish_culture_shock.shtml

 About body language...

http://www.business-with-turkey.com/tourist-guide/turkish_body_language.shtml 

Has anyone ever heard the phrase "when in Rome do like the Romans do"?

It does make sense.  After all, however silly or ancient those customs are they are their customs, it is their country.  It will do well for people to learn them prior to any visit for several reasons.  One of them being, Turks will respect and will take you under their wing and protect you from those that wish to take advantage of you.  I´ve been to Turkey several times and in each case due to my consideration I´ve made friends that took care of me.  I even married a turk, and although we had our share of marital issues none of them were related to being a Turk.  Not once have I had a bad experience, they always steered me clear of bad situations, even when another handsome Turk guy tried to take advantage of me, my other Turk friends kicked his a$$ really good, he won´t evven look in my direction.  So trust me it is worth to learn any country/people customs.  Hey I had to put my two cents in. 

thank you for your two cents, dear

yes, heard that saying.

however, I personally dont know any easterner learning the customs of the west when they are about to visit. Its even oppposite, when easterner visits the west he/she insists on continuing to behave like he/she never left home. and everyone else is expected to tolerate, wow even to adjust to the guest´s behaviours.

you see I know a person, an ESOL teacher, she told that once she was given a group of arab men. arabs were furious to see a woman to teach them. they refused this and that. they refused slideshows where there were women. they made fuss about everything.

when I go to another country, I just want to be a guest, want to enjoy sightseeing, food and talk to people.

Thanks for the great links ReyhanL!

Dear Lemon, I know exactly what you mean.  Most but not all arab man are that way.  They´re just scared that women might kick their butts, so they try to keep us in the dark. I´ve been an instructor for an international course for six years so I had to deal with some of their wonderful personality (being sarcastic here).  However, just because they are closed minded does not mean we have to be.  We westerners are quite flexible, we can adapt quickly even to ancient traditions and customs, all it takes is the wish and a little research.  I think the guest and sight seeing part will be more enjoyable also.