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Mexico city, sexual harassment..
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 02:09 am |
MEXICO CITY - Groping and verbal harassment is an exasperating reality for women using public transportation in this sprawling capital, where 22 million passengers cram onto subways and buses each day. Some men treat women so badly that the subway system has long had ladies-only cars during rush hour, with police segregating the sexes on the platforms.
But that hasn't helped women forced to rely on packed buses, by far the city's most-used form of public transportation — until this week.
Acting on complaints from women's groups, the city rolled out "ladies only" buses, complete with pink signs in the windshields to wave off the men.
As word spreads about the buses, the women seem delighted, while some men forced to wait a few minutes longer have shown their anger. Still others have stumbled on board despite the signs, much to their embarrassment.
Mexico City rolls out women-only buses
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 02:14 am |
I am pretty sure that sexual harassment in public places must also be a problem in Turkey...
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 03:32 am |
Well Ive never been 'touched' or anything, but I'll never get used to the looks, the whispers. Ive even been asked what I charge!! Well some things can never be bought with money (for all the rest, mastercard )
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 03:45 am |
Quoting catwoman: I am pretty sure that sexual harassment in public places must also be a problem in Turkey... |
Yeah....As I recall there was a very hearty discussion of harassment in Taksim Square at New Years.
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 11:37 am |
Unfortunatley, I was a victim of groping on a bus here. The guy stood behind me very close and well say no more.... you can guess the rest. It was horrid and in no way was I too blame - I know that. It also happened to another friend of mine here who was physically touched up in front of her children. Disgusting.
The problem I have is this, I am against physical violence and I know that if I call out on the bus "Defol Git - beni dokunma" the man may possibly get beaten up by other guys on the bus. I wouldn't wish to encourage violence against anyone, at the same time I do not wish to be violated - what does one do ??? It is horrible and difficult.
I think it happens fairly often here.
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 12:59 pm |
Quoting girleegirl: Yeah....As I recall there was a very hearty discussion of harassment in Taksim Square at New Years. |
YES!!! It was DİSGUSTİNG! I was in Ankara at the time but was totally shocked with images shown on the news!!! And there were some boys of 16 among them, totally drunk, trying to harass some of the (foreign) girls!
I have to be honest, the more I learn abotu Turkey, the less Id go there without speaking the language or having trustworthy Turkish friends.
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 02:13 pm |
Quoting Deli_kizin: Well Ive never been 'touched' or anything, but I'll never get used to the looks, the whispers. |
Same here. Most foreign women have probably been subject to this when they have spent some time in Turkey.
I've been in some situations where I didn't know if it was harassment or the guy touched me by accident. It can be unclear if you are in a crowded place.
If someone ever groped me I would definitely let people around me know and strike the bastard a punch. It's disgusting and I know that if I just ignored it I would feel guilty towards the women the creep would grope in the future.
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 05:23 pm |
I go to Mexico a few times a year and I have to say...the men there are very very aggressive. I don't really know what it is like to live there, but if it is anything like the tourist shops, these poor ladies must have a really hard time. I don't have any trouble if I am with my husband, but when I have gone out on my own a few times, it was markedly more difficult. I have been stared at in Turkey, but I don't remember ever being touched. One of the worst experiences I ever had was in Paris. A man actually followed me into the public restroom (Ladies Room)! I was terrified. I thankfully had a small can of hairspray in my purse and came out of the stall screaming like a maniac and sprayed the hairspray in his face. (I just hope he wasn't innocently waiting to use the bathroom!! hehehehe)
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 07:25 pm |
Quoting azade: .........If someone ever groped me I would definitely let people around me know and strike the bastard a punch. It's disgusting and I know that if I just ignored it I would feel guilty towards the women the creep would grope in the future. |
Good idea Azade....In reality I think this sort of thing happens in ALL major cities with public transport systems that get crowded. One is called a masher They are very common in the NYC subways during rush hours. I think they must just wait for rush hours.
As for the Mexican harassment, it's true, they are very expressive of their interests. In fact, it seems to have something to do with Latin culture. I've noticed it from the Puerto Ricans, Dominicans and others. Sometimes they make disgusting smaking sounds. rghhhh.........
The Latin countries aggressive pursuit of females is common, and quite annoying, at times frightening.
The following link leads to a 1921 New York Times article Workhouse for subway “Masherâ€
click on read full article, if you are so inclined...I just included it to show it's not new. I've even heard reports of it in Japan.
There seems to be a whole "Masher/Mashee" subculture.
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 07:34 pm |
Quoting Elisabeth: I go to Mexico a few times a year and I have to say...the men there are very very aggressive |
In which way are they very very aggessive Elisabeth?
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 07:36 pm |
Quoting geniuda: Quoting Elisabeth: I go to Mexico a few times a year and I have to say...the men there are very very aggressive |
In which way are they very very aggessive Elisabeth? |
hehehe....I wasn't talking about sales. Let's just say they were very "friendly"
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25 Jan 2008 Fri 07:47 pm |
Yes, you are absolutely right, it happens everywhere to tourists...but to have it happen regularly in a place where you live....that's a bit much.
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 11:26 am |
Yes, it definitely happens everywhere. I lived in Central America Guatemala and El Salvador for a year, and funnily enough I never experienced anything bad ! But I have in Turkey and in the UK. But it does happen everywhere to so many women. Sigh !!!!
Such a shame
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 11:55 am |
I have travelled pretty extensively worldwide (to both resorts and cities) and I have to say that absolutely NOTHING compares to the feeling I had when I walked out of the airport at Bodrum in Turkey. Despite all the stereotypical teasing from friends before I went "ouh they will like you in Turkey because you are blonde" blah blah, I was pretty shocked at the behaviour of the men - which ranged from bare-faced staring, to calling out, to actual harassment - especially as I was walking with my boyfriend at the time. Stepping outside of that airport, felt something like walking onto a stage or cattle market, where the "audience" were gathered to check out the new "meat". It was even worse in the town centres and market places.
I agree that French are a bit persistent, but they never behave this way, or would make such comments if you were clearly with another man.
I have been to places where I felt uneasy, or even sometimes scared (remote places in China, Colombia and Kenya spring to mind), but never have I felt so blatently... "demeaned" is the word, as I did in that resort in Turkey
I have since learned to not be polite, smile, or be nice in anyway in such a place!!!!
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 12:23 pm |
I must have lead a very sheltered life or I am no ones type
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 12:26 pm |
Quoting libralady: I must have lead a very sheltered life or I am no ones type |
Don't worry Libra - better luck next time. Dudus don't seem particularly choosey!
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 12:34 pm |
Quoting catwoman: I am pretty sure that sexual harassment in public places must also be a problem in Turkey... |
Surely not.
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 12:35 pm |
Quoting libralady: I must have lead a very sheltered life or I am no ones type |
Or should I die my hair blonde?
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 12:37 pm |
Quoting libralady: Quoting libralady: I must have lead a very sheltered life or I am no ones type |
Or should I die my hair blonde? |
Doesn't seem to make any difference
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:12 pm |
This reminds me of something that happened about a year ago in the airport in Antalya.
My flight was at about 4 or 5 in the morning but I had to wait there since late afternoon so I spent about 12 hours there. At some point I went to sleep on one of the benches there and this security guy came to wake me up. I thought I wasn't allowed to sleep there or something, I mean he was in uniform and demands some kind of respect. But actually he just wanted to talk to me and asked if I wanted to come to his home to sleep, then he would bring me back to the airport in the morning. When I declined and said I am married it only encouraged the bastard to try to get my phone number and give me his.
My turkish was limited and it was really hard to get rid of him and I ended up hiding from the creep until I could check in. Even though it was a public place I felt like he was trying to rape me right then and there. I never really had the same look on security guys after that time. it was very uncomfortable. :-S
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:14 pm |
Wasnt there any sort of place you could report this? They are there to make you feel safe and anlasilan did exactly the opposite!!
That must have been a horrible experience!!
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:20 pm |
Just a couple of hours prior to this happening I had said goodbye to my husband for 8 months, he was going to Tunceli at that time and I was emotionally drained. I didn't know what to do and just thought of getting home as quickly as possible. Otherwise I would definitely have done something about it. Looking back in the mirror I wish that I had.
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:46 pm |
Quoting Cacık: Unfortunatley, I was a victim of groping on a bus here. The guy stood behind me very close and well say no more.... you can guess the rest. It was horrid and in no way was I too blame - I know that. It also happened to another friend of mine here who was physically touched up in front of her children. Disgusting.
The problem I have is this, I am against physical violence and I know that if I call out on the bus "Defol Git - beni dokunma" the man may possibly get beaten up by other guys on the bus. I wouldn't wish to encourage violence against anyone, at the same time I do not wish to be violated - what does one do ??? It is horrible and difficult.
I think it happens fairly often here. |
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 11:14 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting Cacık: Unfortunatley, I was a victim of groping on a bus here. The guy stood behind me very close and well say no more.... you can guess the rest. It was horrid and in no way was I too blame - I know that. It also happened to another friend of mine here who was physically touched up in front of her children. Disgusting.
The problem I have is this, I am against physical violence and I know that if I call out on the bus "Defol Git - beni dokunma" the man may possibly get beaten up by other guys on the bus. I wouldn't wish to encourage violence against anyone, at the same time I do not wish to be violated - what does one do ??? It is horrible and difficult.
I think it happens fairly often here. |
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Step back onto his foot, and grind your heel in as hard as you can! Or accidentally hit him in the groin with a good swing of your handbag!
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 12:30 am |
Quoting libralady: I must have lead a very sheltered life or I am no ones type |
first, get the heck out of this sexual harassments.
what are you? walking goodie for smarty colleague?
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 12:34 am |
Quoting libralady: I must have lead a very sheltered life or I am no ones type |
rubbish
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 12:35 am |
Quoting AEnigma III:
Quoting libralady: I must have lead a very sheltered life or I am no ones type |
Don't worry Libra - better luck next time. Dudus don't seem particularly choosey!
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even dudus are choosey.
Libra should be the first to be choosey!
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 02:37 am |
I have no idea what it looks like in Mexico, but in Turkey men find it obvious that they should approach a woman in the street and invite her for tea/coffee hoping for more. None of my Turkish girlfriends ever told me of similar adventures so I assume such 'hospitality' is aimed mainly at tourists. Especially when they are blonde. I remember a guy who stuck to me in Ankara as I was heading to my hotel. That guy was pitifully short (I'm quite tall) and wouldn't leave me even after I told him a made-up story of my dear husband waiting for me in the hotel with our 3 kids! Also, on several other occasions men would come up to me in the street but they were quite easy to get rid of. If they were too pushy I'd simply shout at them. I suppose they have a problem with aggressive women
Oh, once a guy took my friend and me for prostitutes. If only you could see how he was running away after a few curses I shouted at him in my broken Turkish and crude Polish accent.
Then, again, there are jerks all around the world. Be it Poland, Turkey or China, there'll always be a guy thinking you live merely to sleep with him...
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 03:15 am |
Quoting Daydreamer: wouldn't leave me even after I told him a made-up story of my dear husband waiting for me in the hotel with our 3 kids! |
That's the most amazing thing, they just won't go away! What's wrong with those people, do have have a frontal cortex problem? They are annoying like diarrhea.
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 02:11 pm |
Perhaps it's a matter of social acceptance. Those usually older guys were most probably raised in a way that they think women, especially foreigners, like that kind of aggressive sexual appeal.Is it revolting? Sure, but apparently they think otherwise.
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 02:26 pm |
Quoting Daydreamer: Perhaps it's a matter of social acceptance. Those usually older guys were most probably raised in a way that they think women, especially foreigners, like that kind of aggressive sexual appeal.Is it revolting? Sure, but apparently they think otherwise. |
What worries me is that they must get "results" from some women, or they would have given up long ago
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 06:01 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Daydreamer: Perhaps it's a matter of social acceptance. Those usually older guys were most probably raised in a way that they think women, especially foreigners, like that kind of aggressive sexual appeal.Is it revolting? Sure, but apparently they think otherwise. |
What worries me is that they must get "results" from some women, or they would have given up long ago  |
Or maybe they do this because they don't get results..? :-S
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 06:11 pm |
All the stories remind me of walking around Istanbul everyday. Men have attempted to touch me, ask me how much...blah blah blah...I am not blond!
I know for a fact that they wouldn't try this type of stuff with a Turkish woman.
I am a lover of peace but if a man touches me in Turkey... he gets me to move a bit closer and standing nose to nose to them...looking right in their eye...i tell them in my calmest you wanna piece of me buddy voice and the sweetest smile i can muster up.."Go ahead try that again sweetie!"
For some reason none of them do!
Not recommended for the faint of heart or short women either. It's lovely to see the look of shock and fear in their eyes when i let them know that i am NOT their 'victim' today!!!!!
Some of my male friends say i could get into big trouble that way. But i haven't to date. Like i said not recommended for the faint!
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 06:25 pm |
Quoting Capoeira: I am a lover of peace but if a man touches me in Turkey... he gets me to move a bit closer and standing nose to nose to them...looking right in their eye...i tell them in my calmest you wanna piece of me buddy voice and the sweetest smile i can muster up.."Go ahead try that again sweetie!" |
Hahaha, this is perfect! That's exactly how all women should be. I am not very tall, but I don't think I could resist not beating up a guy who would touch me. I'd love to see him beaten up by others as well. Time he should learn a lesson!
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 06:50 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Daydreamer: Perhaps it's a matter of social acceptance. Those usually older guys were most probably raised in a way that they think women, especially foreigners, like that kind of aggressive sexual appeal.Is it revolting? Sure, but apparently they think otherwise. |
What worries me is that they must get "results" from some women, or they would have given up long ago  |
Or maybe they do this because they don't get results..? :-S |
Some men don't have the word "NO" in their vocabulary it seems... :-S
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 08:25 pm |
Quoting Capoeira: All the stories remind me of walking around Istanbul everyday. Men have attempted to touch me, ask me how much...blah blah blah...I am not blond!
I know for a fact that they wouldn't try this type of stuff with a Turkish woman.
I am a lover of peace but if a man touches me in Turkey... he gets me to move a bit closer and standing nose to nose to them...looking right in their eye...i tell them in my calmest you wanna piece of me buddy voice and the sweetest smile i can muster up.."Go ahead try that again sweetie!"
For some reason none of them do!
Not recommended for the faint of heart or short women either. It's lovely to see the look of shock and fear in their eyes when i let them know that i am NOT their 'victim' today!!!!!
Some of my male friends say i could get into big trouble that way. But i haven't to date. Like i said not recommended for the faint!
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Yes, not many can attempt and get away with this tactic. I have a friend in NYC who was walking down the street when a man grabbed and fondeled her breasts. Nonplussed, she manuvered around and ambushed him ,grabbing his private parts...then laughed belittling her "discovery". The man red faced slunk away.
One time on the subway a guy was pressing sitting with his leggs wide open and pressing his thighs against mine, I slapped him hard on the upper thigh and told him to close his $#@ leggs. He was so shocked he quickly closed his leggs. I guess he must have thought I was crazy. Sometimes you have had enough!
In this type of tactic, one has to surmise the surroundings and determine if this tactic can work in the particular situation. On an empty subway car or side street, I would not try this, but I would not get in an empty subway car or go down a secluded side street if at all possible.
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 04:15 am |
Quoting alameda: One time on the subway a guy was pressing sitting with his leggs wide open and pressing his thighs against mine, I slapped him hard on the upper thigh and told him to close his $#@ leggs. He was so shocked he quickly closed his leggs. I guess he must have thought I was crazy. Sometimes you have had enough! |
Good job amiga!
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 04:34 am |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: One time on the subway a guy was pressing sitting with his leggs wide open and pressing his thighs against mine, I slapped him hard on the upper thigh and told him to close his $#@ leggs. He was so shocked he quickly closed his leggs. I guess he must have thought I was crazy. Sometimes you have had enough! |
Good job amiga! |
alameda, did you forgive him for making you such advances?
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 04:38 am |
Quoting portokal: alameda, did you forgive him for making you such advances? |
did he apologize and make up to her for disrespecting her? if not, I don't see a reason to forgive.
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 04:53 am |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting portokal: alameda, did you forgive him for making you such advances? |
did he apologize and make up to her for disrespecting her? if not, I don't see a reason to forgive. |
he should have apologize.
if not, she should have ask for his apology in order to be able to forgive.
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 05:22 am |
Quoting portokal: if not, she should have ask for his apology in order to be able to forgive. |
I disagree She should move on if the apology doesn't come from him. She should get help to deal with her pain, become strong again and fuck him.
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 01:06 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Daydreamer: Perhaps it's a matter of social acceptance. Those usually older guys were most probably raised in a way that they think women, especially foreigners, like that kind of aggressive sexual appeal.Is it revolting? Sure, but apparently they think otherwise. |
What worries me is that they must get "results" from some women, or they would have given up long ago  |
Or maybe they do this because they don't get results..? :-S |
I think Aenigma's right. Would we have so many translation requests here if those guys weren't lucky? It seems a few Iloveyous and persistent nagging are the key to succeed. Now...who's to blame? A culture promoting a strongly sexual male or our super-developed/civilised western culture promoting an independent (please, note sarcasm) female?
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 02:47 pm |
Quoting Daydreamer: who's to blame? ..... or our super-developed/civilised western culture promoting an independent (please, note sarcasm) female? |
Yeah, I know. They promote a super independent... but MOST preferably a bit dumb, unchallenging stripper... From one type of patriarchy to another!
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 09:26 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting portokal: alameda, did you forgive him for making you such advances? |
did he apologize and make up to her for disrespecting her? if not, I don't see a reason to forgive. |
He looked shocked, he shut his legs and kept quiet the rest of the trip. No one said anything.
Everyone on the train looked at him, as if to photograph his face. My hope is next time he tries to do that to another, he will remember that incident and not do it.
That sort of thing makes me see red. I don't see me as myself, I see the multitudes of others that have been accosted in this way. I think of all the times he got away with it.
Maybe some of those on the train who were looking at this incident would have done the same thing in the "right" situation, maybe that will be a detriment to them too.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 08:46 am |
Hey I'm nee and I'm mexican that's why I was surprised when I read this I just wanted to say that at least in the city I live I have never ever been harassed and noone ever disrepect me I live a normal life and never have I met any agressive man, ofcourse as in anywhere there is agressive people as in every country anyway if anyone feel curious about Mexico you can ask me
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 06:54 pm |
Quoting elibrody: Hey I'm nee and I'm mexican that's why I was surprised when I read this I just wanted to say that at least in the city I live I have never ever been harassed and noone ever disrepect me I live a normal life and never have I met any agressive man, ofcourse as in anywhere there is agressive people as in every country anyway if anyone feel curious about Mexico you can ask me  |
Hi elibrody, I've been to Mexico numerous times and have found an inordinate amount of harassment towards women there. I was in many parts of Mexico, including Mexico City, Acapulco and many tiny none touristic villages.
In fact I was warned to be very careful exactly where I went, so as to not be kidnapped.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 07:15 pm |
Quoting alameda: Quoting elibrody: Hey I'm nee and I'm mexican that's why I was surprised when I read this I just wanted to say that at least in the city I live I have never ever been harassed and noone ever disrepect me I live a normal life and never have I met any agressive man, ofcourse as in anywhere there is agressive people as in every country anyway if anyone feel curious about Mexico you can ask me  |
Hi elibrody, I've been to Mexico numerous times and have found an inordinate amount of harassment towards women there. I was in many parts of Mexico, including Mexico City, Acapulco and many tiny none touristic villages.
In fact I was warned to be very careful exactly where I went, so as to not be kidnapped. |
Oh well Mexico City is a bad city really it's full of insecurity and of robery and whatnot
And that's how everything is on the south I live in the north and in the north is where the mois technological rich an save cities are located
Of course as it was mentioned before this is a thing that happens everywhere which talks about the bad goverment out countries have but that's another topic
Acapulco is very safe, I recomend never to go to Mexico City tho
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 07:35 pm |
Quoting elibrody: Oh well Mexico City is a bad city really it's full of insecurity and of robery and whatnot
And that's how everything is on the south I live in the north and in the north is where the mois technological rich an save cities are located
Of course as it was mentioned before this is a thing that happens everywhere which talks about the bad goverment out countries have but that's another topic
Acapulco is very safe, I recomend never to go to Mexico City tho  |
I agree with you Elibrody,it all depends which part Mexico are we talking about. Mexico City is not too safe anymore, back in 2006 the population was 8,720,916,considered one of the biggest cities in the world. Terrible,very crowded city.Obviously you can find all type of people in bigger cities. I was born and rised in Mexico and in my town I never experienced something like that. Yes, we must admit that many men tend to tell you all kind of 'compliments' while you walk on the street, but I never saw or experienced someone going beyond that.But I think it happens everywhere.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 08:18 pm |
Quoting geniuda: But I think it happens everywhere. |
Sorry geniuda, it's nothing personal, but I hate such apologetic, irresponsible statements as: "it happens everywhere". Yes, to a certain degree it may happen everywhere, but to WHAT degree it happens - does make a difference! Fear of being raped or kidnapped in Mexico city in the daylight is a little bit different then fear of walking alone at night on a deserted street! Even though you may say "it's the same underlying issue".
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 08:29 pm |
Quoting geniuda: Quoting elibrody: Oh well Mexico City is a bad city really it's full of insecurity and of robery and whatnot
And that's how everything is on the south I live in the north and in the north is where the mois technological rich an save cities are located
Of course as it was mentioned before this is a thing that happens everywhere which talks about the bad goverment out countries have but that's another topic
Acapulco is very safe, I recomend never to go to Mexico City tho  |
I agree with you Elibrody,it all depends which part Mexico are we talking about. Mexico City is not too safe anymore, back in 2006 the population was 8,720,916,considered one of the biggest cities in the world. Terrible,very crowded city.Obviously you can find all type of people in bigger cities. I was born and rised in Mexico and in my town I never experienced something like that. Yes, we must admit that many men tend to tell you all kind of 'compliments' while you walk on the street, but I never saw or experienced someone going beyond that.But I think it happens everywhere. |
Well, you are right, it's mostly a lot of talk and eye "balling". It's a violation. In my travel experience in Mexico, and I've been in many parts of Mexico", I'll take Turkey anytime over Mexico in regards to male harassment. Mexican males have no shame in smacking their lips, hooting and paying what they think are compliments to females. I think they almost think it's mandatory. I'm in California, we have a lot of very fresh right from the border Mexicans here.
I have a Mexican neighbor who scares females half to death with his "compliments". He hoots and hollars "compliments". I've told him many times in both English and Spanish, but he continues... with things like "pssst whistle guapa!" Then if he doesn't want to understand, he pretends not to understand either English or Spanish....and I know exactly what I'm saying....he doesn't want to know!
The $#@ guapa and whistle is annoying. In the East it's the "Mamacita" and the kissing sound, I HATE that!!!, I'm not your D**m mama and then too the leering at someone and relating them to being their mama annoys me even more.....how dare they?
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 08:33 pm |
I have been throughout Mexico at least 8 times now and what I have found is the men are a little more forward. However, I didn't feel harrassed or threatened what so ever. In fact, they seemed more personable than most American men..hahaha
On the otherhand..I do have a friend here in the states that complains all the time that in her neighborhood, alot of Mexicans live and they are always staring at her and yelling things out their windows. It makes her feel very uncomfortable...Maybe they think their still in Mexico..
While were talking about Mexican men, I do have a comment/question. There is a perception about Mexican men at least were I live. The perception is they treat their wifes and girlfriends with little respect. I wonder where this perception stems from. Any insight?
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 08:55 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: I have been throughout Mexico at least 8 times now and what I have found is the men are a little more forward. However, I didn't feel harrassed or threatened what so ever. |
Lucky you!!!!!
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:05 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting teaschip1: I have been throughout Mexico at least 8 times now and what I have found is the men are a little more forward. However, I didn't feel harrassed or threatened what so ever. |
Lucky you!!!!!  |
I think it also has to do with your tolerance level..I may not be offended, but other women might. I just have learned to tune them out..Besides I don't have a clue what their saying, nor do I want to know.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:10 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: I think it also has to do with your tolerance level..I may not be offended, but other women might. I just have learned to tune them out..Besides I don't have a clue what their saying, nor do I want to know. |
WELL.... that significantly changes your statement!!! Hahahah. I am definitely more like alameda than, I can 'deal' with assholes, but I do not tolerate them! Women should not have to tolerate harassment!!!!!
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:20 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting teaschip1: I think it also has to do with your tolerance level..I may not be offended, but other women might. I just have learned to tune them out..Besides I don't have a clue what their saying, nor do I want to know. |
WELL.... that significantly changes your statement!!! Hahahah. I am definitely more like alameda than, I can 'deal' with assholes, but I do not tolerate them! Women should not have to tolerate harassment!!!!! |
Well harassment to you, maybe different to me. I don't find a man sitting on a subway with his legs spread apart as harassment. Now if someone is whisteling and yelling things at me, I have two decisions. I either ignore them or tell them to shut the f%&k up. I would rather choose my battles carefully and I choose not to have an altercation with a Mexican men on Mexican soil. But believe me, I have no problems holding my own here on American soil.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:24 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: I have been throughout Mexico at least 8 times now and what I have found is the men are a little more forward. However, I didn't feel harrassed or threatened what so ever. In fact, they seemed more personable than most American men..hahaha
On the otherhand..I do have a friend here in the states that complains all the time that in her neighborhood, alot of Mexicans live and they are always staring at her and yelling things out their windows. It makes her feel very uncomfortable...Maybe they think their still in Mexico..
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teaschip1....As a blond you represent the power elite and would pobably be perceived as the woman of a powerful man. To seriously bother you could mean serious problems. Is your friend brown haired? Anyway, that's my take on things...and it's based on some extensive knowledge of the culture.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:31 pm |
Quoting alameda: teaschip1....As a blond you represent the power elite and would pobably be perceived as the woman of a powerful man. To seriously bother you could mean serious problems. Is your friend brown haired? Anyway, that's my take on things...and it's based on some extensive knowledge of the culture. |
Wow!!! That's reaaaaaaaaaly interesting!!! This is so backwards and stupid!!! But I guess it's one of the exceptions as to where blondes can feel relatively safe... which is a good thing, though so opposite to Turkey!
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:33 pm |
Quoting teaschip1:
Well harassment to you, maybe different to me. I don't find a man sitting on a subway with his legs spread apart as harassment. But believe me, I have no problems holding my own here on American soil. |
It was not about a man sitting on a subway with his legs spread apart, it was about a man with his legs spread apart and pressing mine...do you get it now?
Also, Mexico is on American soil North America....perhaps you mean United States of America soil...aka USA...soil.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:38 pm |
Quoting alameda: Also, Mexico is on American soil North America....perhaps you mean United States of America soil...aka USA...soil. |
Some geography tips?
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:42 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: teaschip1....As a blond you represent the power elite and would pobably be perceived as the woman of a powerful man. To seriously bother you could mean serious problems. Is your friend brown haired? Anyway, that's my take on things...and it's based on some extensive knowledge of the culture. |
Wow!!! That's reaaaaaaaaaly interesting!!! This is so backwards and stupid!!! But I guess it's one of the exceptions as to where blondes can feel relatively safe... which is a good thing, though so opposite to Turkey! |
It has it's limits...and it's subtle also. I wouldn't feel too safe no matter what my hair color is...but, sad to say, the darker the skin, the darker the hair, the less safe a woman is.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:44 pm |
Alameda, you seem to have all the answers, can you please explain to me why is 95% of the world totally fucked up?
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 09:52 pm |
Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1:
Well harassment to you, maybe different to me. I don't find a man sitting on a subway with his legs spread apart as harassment. But believe me, I have no problems holding my own here on American soil. |
It was not about a man sitting on a subway with his legs spread apart, it was about a man with his legs spread apart and pressing mine...do you get it now?
Also, Mexico is on American soil North America....perhaps you mean United States of America soil...aka USA...soil.
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I wasn't in your situation, so I really don't know if I would have felt harassed or not. And yes, I was refering to the United States of America...
Again, everyone has their own form of feeling threatend or harassed. I may feel uncomfortable, with them yelling but I deal with it in my own way, I prefer to tune them out. Now if I was touched, we are talking a different stoy. That is something I don't tolerate.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 10:40 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Alameda, you seem to have all the answers, can you please explain to me why is 95% of the world totally fucked up?  |
I don't think 95% of the world is xxxxxx up...although there isn't as much compassion as we would like to see. I think most people want to be "good" people, it's actually the minority who are selfish. Then there are the real pshchopathic personalities who fool a lot of people.
"The psychopath is one of the most fascinating and distressing problems of human experience. For the most part, a psychopath never remains attached to anyone or anything. They live a "predatory" lifestyle. They feel little or no regret, and little or no remorse - except when they are caught. They need relationships, but see people as obstacles to overcome and be eliminated. If not, they see people in terms of how they can be used. They use people for stimulation, to build their self-esteem and they invariably value people in terms of their material value (money, property, etc..)."
Psychopathic Personality
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:15 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting geniuda: But I think it happens everywhere. |
Sorry geniuda, it's nothing personal, but I hate such apologetic, irresponsible statements as: 'it happens everywhere'. Yes, to a certain degree it may happen everywhere, but to WHAT degree it happens - does make a difference! Fear of being raped or kidnapped in Mexico city in the daylight is a little bit different then fear of walking alone at night on a deserted street! Even though you may say 'it's the same underlying issue'. |
Let me clarify something...I didnt mean 'it happens everywhere' as an acceptable action. What I really meant to say is that not only in Mexico men harras women. Yes, I do agree this kind of actions shouldnt exist 'anywhere'.. I dont find it acceptable at all. Unfortunately, even myself that I know the culture and lifestyle wouldnt feel too safe in Mexico City
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:23 am |
Quoting teaschip1:
While were talking about Mexican men, I do have a comment/question. There is a perception about Mexican men at least were I live. The perception is they treat their wifes and girlfriends with little respect. I wonder where this perception stems from. Any insight? |
OKKKK to what I'm reading we are not ex maniacs in Mexico realy we are not and sorry if you find it like that in only shows how intolerant you are
It's really dissapointing to read this type of thigs and see that people see us like that.
Besides what's wrong with someone telling ou you are good looking (guapa) if you are pfffff compliments are good everwhere ( with it's exceptions like a dark alley 2 am and whatnot)
Now my insights that's totally FAKE here is a custome to have great respect to woman to mothers and sisters girlfriend and wife. Of course as in everywhere there might be cheating husbands cheating boyfriends and whatnot. But boys are always raised with the idea of respecting woman.
I've lived all my life in a family where respect is a mandatory and I respect everyone my father respects my mother and my brother respect her girlfriend.
pfff I hope you have a clearer vision now and I hope you don't make an opinion of seeing your neighbohr or seeing man on the street.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 05:23 am |
Quoting elibrody: .........OKKKK to what I'm reading we are not ex maniacs in Mexico realy we are not and sorry if you find it like that in only shows how intolerant you are
It's really dissapointing to read this type of thigs and see that people see us like that.
Besides what's wrong with someone telling ou you are good looking (guapa) if you are pfffff compliments are good everwhere ( with it's exceptions like a dark alley 2 am and whatnot)
pfff I hope you have a clearer vision now and I hope you don't make an opinion of seeing your neighbohr or seeing man on the street. |
I think you have mixed your answer to teaschip1 with some of my comments.
As I have said, I am very aware of this culture. Read my name? As for a man complimenting me, he should keep his mouth shut and not yell anything at me. I'm not a dog or animal.
His shouting guapa at me intrudes into my mind. This was not invited, it is an invasion, it is a violation of my personal space. I am not on display for his approval.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 05:37 am |
Quoting alameda: Quoting elibrody: .........OKKKK to what I'm reading we are not ex maniacs in Mexico realy we are not and sorry if you find it like that in only shows how intolerant you are
It's really dissapointing to read this type of thigs and see that people see us like that.
Besides what's wrong with someone telling ou you are good looking (guapa) if you are pfffff compliments are good everwhere ( with it's exceptions like a dark alley 2 am and whatnot)
pfff I hope you have a clearer vision now and I hope you don't make an opinion of seeing your neighbohr or seeing man on the street. |
I think you have mixed your answer to teaschip1 with some of my comments.
As I have said, I am very aware of this culture. Read my name? As for a man complimenting me, he should keep his mouth shut and not yell anything at me. I'm not a dog or animal.
His shouting guapa at me intrudes into my mind. This was not invited, it is an invasion, it is a violation of my personal space. I am not on display for his approval.
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Oh I did I just think diferent than you I guess and yes I read your name I don't know we just think different I guess but really telling you stuff is not harrasment again it's my opinion don't get rawr with me
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