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				| 1. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 01:47 am |  
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 Are you a good reader?
 What are your 15  best novels?
 Here are mine=
 
 1-Aylak Adam  By Yusuf  Atılgan
 2-Ağrıdağı  Efsanesi By Yaşar  Kemal
 3-  Timbuktu  By Paul    Auster
 4-  The trial  By Franz  Kafka
 5-  Ulysses  By James Joyce
 6-  One Hundred Years Solutude  By Gabriel Garcia Marquez
 7-  Lolita  By Vladimir Nabokov
 8-  The Stranger –L’Etranger By Albert Camus
 9-  The Brothers Karamozof By Fyodor Dostoyevski
 10-The Grapes of Wratf By John Steinbeck
 11-Les Mots By  Jean Paul Sartre
 12-To the lighthouse By Virginia Woolf
 13-Light in August By William Faulkner
 14-Victoria  By Knut Hamsun
 15-Gazi Paşa By Attila İlhan
 
 
 
 
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				| 2. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 10:22 am |  
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	I would love to tell but because most books I read are in Dutch I think it is of no use doing it.   |  |  
	
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				| 3. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 04:48 pm |  
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	Well, I suppose that most of us read books in their own languages, so I’m not the exception, but I don’t think it is of no use to recommend my favorites, since they must be translated to other languages too, as capital works of world literature.
 For me, the only problem is to chose ONLY 15 best novels, but let me try:
 
 War And Peace – Lev Tolstoy
 Evgeny Onegin – Alexandr Pushkin
 Resurrection - Lev Tolstoy
 Anna Karenina – Lev Tolstoy
 Quiet Flows the Don - Mikhail Sholokhov
 Torrents of Spring - Ivan Turgenyev
 Crime and Punishment - Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky
 One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
 Time of Death - Dobrica Ćosić
 Tzar Radovan's Treasure - Jovan Dučić
 Death and the Dervish - Mehmed MeÅ¡a Selimović
 The Bridge on the Drina - Ivo Andrić
 The Citadel – A. J. Cronin
 By The River Piedra I Sat Down And Wept - Paulo Coelho
 1984 - George Orwell
 
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				| 4. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 04:59 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: 
By The River Piedra I Sat Down And Wept - Paulo Coelho
 1984 - George Orwell
 
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 there are the books i have on my list to be read
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				| 5. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 05:09 pm |  
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	Nice topic for book-lovers.  But we are still waiting for Trudy to make her list. Until then, my choice: 
 The Idiot, F. M. Dostoyevsky
 The Posessed, F. M. Dostoyevsky
 Epic of Gilgamesh
 The Master and Margarita, Mikhail Bulgakov
 Second book of Migrations (Seobe, knjiga druga), Miloš Crnjanski
 A Novel about London (Roman o Londonu), Miloš Crnjanski
 Father Bernard the Swell (Bakonja fra-Brne), Simo Matavulj
 The Song of Nibelungs (Das Nibelungenlied)
 Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra
 The Magic Mountain (Der Zauberberg), Thomas Mann
 Orlando Enraged (Orlando Furioso), Ariosto
 Dead Souls, Nikolay Gogol
 Pickwick Papers, Charles Dickens
 The Life and Extraordinary Adventures of Private Ivan Chonkin, Vladimir Voinovich
 The Little Prince (Le Petit Prince), Antoine de Saint Exupéry
 
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				| 6. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 05:28 pm |  
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	 | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting slavica: 
By The River Piedra I Sat Down And Wept - Paulo Coelho
 1984 - George Orwell
 
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 there are the books i have on my list to be read
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 Be sure to do that
   
 And you can add Veronika Decides To Die by Paulo Coelho to your list too.
 
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				| 7. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 05:30 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: 
The Idiot, F. M. Dostoyevsky
 The Posessed, F. M. Dostoyevsky
 Epic of Gilgamesh
 The Master and Margarita, Mikhail Bulgakov
 Second book of Migrations (Seobe, knjiga druga), Miloš Crnjanski
 A Novel about London (Roman o Londonu), Miloš Crnjanski
 Father Bernard the Swell (Bakonja fra-Brne), Simo Matavulj
 The Song of Nibelungs (Das Nibelungenlied)
 Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra
 The Magic Mountain (Der Zauberberg), Thomas Mann
 Orlando Enraged (Orlando Furioso), Ariosto
 Dead Souls, Nikolay Gogol
 Pickwick Papers, Charles Dickens
 The Life and Extraordinary Adventures of Private Ivan Chonkin, Vladimir Voinovich
 The Little Prince (Le Petit Prince), Antoine de Saint Exupéry
 
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 May I add Duda's list to mine?
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				| 8. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 05:43 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: 
The Idiot, F. M. Dostoyevsky
 The Posessed, F. M. Dostoyevsky
 Epic of Gilgamesh
 The Master and Margarita, Mikhail Bulgakov
 Second book of Migrations (Seobe, knjiga druga), Miloš Crnjanski
 A Novel about London (Roman o Londonu), Miloš Crnjanski
 Father Bernard the Swell (Bakonja fra-Brne), Simo Matavulj
 The Song of Nibelungs (Das Nibelungenlied)
 Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra
 The Magic Mountain (Der Zauberberg), Thomas Mann
 Orlando Enraged (Orlando Furioso), Ariosto
 Dead Souls, Nikolay Gogol
 Pickwick Papers, Charles Dickens
 The Life and Extraordinary Adventures of Private Ivan Chonkin, Vladimir Voinovich
 The Little Prince (Le Petit Prince), Antoine de Saint Exupéry
 
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 How many of them you have translated?
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				| 9. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 06:04 pm |  
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	Wow!  What an impossible task!  I started to write my list but it is truly impossible for me - especially after reading Slavica and Duda's lists - everything from Tolstoy to Dickens - I added both their lists to mine!!!  I would also add all six Jane Austin books to my list. 
 I agree with Duda about The Little Prince - probably the dearest most cherishished book of mine. A children's book with a deep message for adults. A Turkish translation of the entire book is available here:-
 
 http://arzudurukan.www9.50megs.com/index.htm
 
 
 
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				| 10. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 06:13 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: | Quoting duda: 
The Idiot, F. M. Dostoyevsky
 The Posessed, F. M. Dostoyevsky
 Epic of Gilgamesh
 The Master and Margarita, Mikhail Bulgakov
 Second book of Migrations (Seobe, knjiga druga), Miloš Crnjanski
 A Novel about London (Roman o Londonu), Miloš Crnjanski
 Father Bernard the Swell (Bakonja fra-Brne), Simo Matavulj
 The Song of Nibelungs (Das Nibelungenlied)
 Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra
 The Magic Mountain (Der Zauberberg), Thomas Mann
 Orlando Enraged (Orlando Furioso), Ariosto
 Dead Souls, Nikolay Gogol
 Pickwick Papers, Charles Dickens
 The Life and Extraordinary Adventures of Private Ivan Chonkin, Vladimir Voinovich
 The Little Prince (Le Petit Prince), Antoine de Saint Exupéry
 
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 May I add Duda's list to mine?
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 People used to read books huh slavica?
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				| 11. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 06:34 pm |  
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	Now I would like to add Winnie the Pooh by A.A.Miln.  May it be sixteen? Or children books are excluded? Or we should exclude Gilgamesh? (Be sure I didn't translate it, Sui... I do not speak Sumerian... don't have Sumerian font in my PC anyway.  ) |  |  
	
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				| 12. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 06:43 pm |  
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	Hmm, I always find these kind of questions rather hard. Same problem with "top 10 albums" for example, I wouldn’t know where to start.. and I'm such a doubter..  
 Anyway:
 
 F. Scott Fitzgerald – the Great Gatsby
 John Irving – The World According to Garp
 John Irving – Hotel New Hampshire
 Richard Yates – Revolutionary Road
 D.H. Lawrence - Lady Chatterley’s Lover
 Gustave Flaubert - Madame Bovary
 Gerard Reve – De Avonden
 Patrick Süskind – The Perfume
 Truman Capote – In Cold Blood
 J.D. Salinger - Catcher in the Rye
 Haruki Murakami - South of the Border, West of the Sun
 Donna Tartt - The Secret History
 
 to be continued probably..
   
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				| 13. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 06:44 pm |  
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	To Duda and Slavica;
 You are like walking libraries!!! Its unbelievable!!!
 Now i bend infront of you!
 
 With regards your majesty!
   
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				| 14. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:02 pm |  
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	Pardon me, Sui, but I am more a kind of sitting library... If I read less, I'd walk more... And I'd be slim as well.   
 Liked Elisa's list too... She inspired me to think more of some modern prosaists. My God, so many books, how can one decide? Now I'd like to add Malcolm Lawry and his "Under Vulcano"... and Peter Carey and his "Oscar and Lucinda"... and "The Blind Assasin" by Margaret Atwood...  and... will someone stop me? Sui, Slavica, please... just stop me.
 
 
   
 P.S. Elisa, suppose you recommend "The Parfume"? I saw it (translated! alas!) here and from the very start I have a feeling it's something worth reading. Can you compare it to something? I would like to hear somebody's personal impressions, for I don't like to read "noncertified" books.
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				| 15. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:06 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: Pardon me, Sui, but I am more a kind of sitting library... If I read less, I'd walk more... And I'd be slim as well.   
 Liked Elisa's list too... She inspired me to think more of some modern prosaists. My God, so many books, how can one decide? Now I'd like to add Malcolm Lawry and his "Under Vulcano"... and Peter Carey and his "Oscar and Lucinda"... and "The Blind Assasin" by Margaret Atwood...  and... will someone stop me? Sui, Slavica, please... just stop me.
 
 
   
 P.S. Elisa, suppose you recommend "The Parfume"? I saw it (translated! alas!) here and from the very start I have a feeling it's something worth reading. Can you compare it to something? I would like to hear somebody's personal impressions, for I don't like to read "noncertified" books.
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 The Perfume's movie is also made... But mostly they say no better than the book...
 Also Duda to the new authors list, you can add Jean Christopher Grange, he has magnificant novels
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				| 16. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:13 pm |  
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	This is so hard, but have made an attempt to select my favourite 15:-
 Tender is the Night - F. Scott Fitzgerald
 The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald
 Anna Karenina - Leo Tolstoy
 Pride and Prejudice - Jane Austin
 Emma - Jane Austin
 The Little Prince - Antoine de Saint-Expery
 Jane Eyre - Charlotte Bronte
 Great Expectations - Charles Dickens
 The Way We Live Now - Anthony Trollope
 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Ken Kesey
 A Passage to India - E. M. Forster
 To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
 Rebecca - Daphne du Maurier
 Brideshead Revisited - Evelyn Waugh
 I, Claudius - Robert Graves
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				| 18. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:21 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: Pride and Prejudice - Jane Austin
Emma - Jane Austin
 To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
 
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 How could I forget those two!!?? See, my list is a living, everchanging thing
   
 Ohhhh, mr Darcy....
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				| 19. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:22 pm |  
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 This is an impossible task!! My mind is racing now...Susan Howatch, Henry Fielding, Jonathan Swift .... I missed so many
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				| 20. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:24 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Elisa: 
Ohhhh, mr Darcy....
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 "IT is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife."
 
 
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				| 21. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:25 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: 
P.S. Elisa, suppose you recommend "The Parfume"? I saw it (translated! alas!) here and from the very start I have a feeling it's something worth reading. Can you compare it to something? I would like to hear somebody's personal impressions, for I don't like to read "noncertified" books.
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 In my opinion and as far as I can tell, The Perfume can't be compared to any other book. It's unique. I'd suggest you to just go and read it, you won't regret it!
   
 Oh and by the way, I haven't seen the movie, I like the image I have in my head from reading the book, I don't want it to get spoiled.
 Some people think the movie is good, others hate it, and I just don't want to know
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				| 22. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:27 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Elisa: Oh and by the way, I haven't seen the movie, I like the image I have in my head from reading the book, I don't want it to get spoiled.
Some people think the movie is good, others hate it, and I just don't want to know
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 They were perfect with Lord Of The Rings though
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				| 23. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:27 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Elisa: Oh and by the way, I haven't seen the movie, I like the image I have in my head from reading the book, I don't want it to get spoiled.
Some people think the movie is good, others hate it, and I just don't want to know
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 Dont you find that with most movies adapted from novels?  I always leave the cinema angry that the story has been changed, badly adapted or simply completely different from how I imagined it in my head!!
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				| 24. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:28 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: 
This is an impossible task!! .... I missed so many
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 + 1
 
 Tom Wolfe for example..
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				| 25. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:28 pm |  
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	Jonathan Swift! Not fair... And Laurence Sterne... Mark Twain... Elsa Morante...   
 May it be 115... please? I would like to add some more...
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				| 26. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:29 pm |  
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	Well... Here are my first and second top fifteen list according to the two slightly different definitions of novel.
 novel: Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes
 
 1. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 2. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 3. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 4. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 5. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 6. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 7. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 8. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 9. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 10. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 11. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 12. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 13. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 14. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 15. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 
 novel: an extended fictional work in prose; usually in the form of a story
 
 1. Crime and Punishment - Dostoyevsky
 2. Les Miserables - Victor Hugo (Ah, my dear Jan Valjean!...)
 3. The Brothers Karamazov -  Dostoyevsky
 4. Anna Karenina - Tolstoy
 5. For Whom the Bell Tolls - Hemingway
 6. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
 7. The Trial - Kafka
 8. War and Peace - Tolstoy
 9. Ulysses - James Joyce
 10. Frankenstein - Marry Shelley
 11. Search of Lost Time (whole series) - Marcel Proust
 12. The Iron Heel - Jack London
 13. Modam Bovary - Gustave Flaubert
 14. The Grapes of Wratf - John Steinbeck
 15. Oblomov - Ivan Goncharov
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				| 27. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:30 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: Jonathan Swift! Not fair... And Laurence Sterne... Mark Twain... Elsa Morante...   
 May it be 115... please? I would like to add some more...
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 Huckelbery Finn
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				| 28. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:30 pm |  
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	P. S. Thanks, Elisa! I didn't see your post at once. The word "unique" is enough. Sold!    |  |  
	
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				| 29. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:36 pm |  
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	 | Quoting AllTooHuman: 2. Les Miserables - Victor Hugo (Ah, my dear Jan Valjean!...) | 
 Something is rotten in the state of Denmark?
 Or it was Netherlands?
   
 But we omitted Alphonse Daudet and his "Aventures prodigieuses de Tartarin de Tarascon"... French Don Quixote...
 
 
 
 
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				| 30. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:41 pm |  
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	 | Quoting AllTooHuman: 2. Les Miserables - Victor Hugo
10. Frankenstein - Mary Shelley
 
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 Yes yes
  and Bram Stoker's Dracula.. wonderful   |  |  
	
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				| 31. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:44 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: This is so hard, but have made an attempt to select my favourite 15:-
 Tender is the Night - F. Scott Fitzgerald
 The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald
 Anna Karenina - Leo Tolstoy
 Pride and Prejudice - Jane Austin
 Emma - Jane Austin
 The Little Prince - Antoine de Saint-Expery
 Jane Eyre - Charlotte Bronte
 Great Expectations - Charles Dickens
 The Way We Live Now - Anthony Trollope
 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Ken Kesey
 A Passage to India - E. M. Forster
 To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
 Rebecca - Daphne du Maurier
 Brideshead Revisited - Evelyn Waugh
 I, Claudius - Robert Graves
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 appears you have given the Biritish writers preferential treatment.
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				| 32. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:45 pm |  
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	Black Beauty - Anna Sewell
 it was my term work in prep class in high school... we used to watch its movie together with my family
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				| 33. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:47 pm |  
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	 | Quoting AllTooHuman: 
appears you have given the Biritish writers preferential treatment.
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 I disagree - 9 of the 15 is not bad, considering I am British
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				| 34. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:49 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting Elisa: 
Ohhhh, mr Darcy....
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 "IT is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife."
 
 
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 Hehehe... with reference to this point, my favourite opening sentence is placed in Anna Karenina:
 
 "All happy families resemble one another, but each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
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				| 35. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:51 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting AllTooHuman: 
appears you have given the Biritish writers preferential treatment.
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 I disagree - 9 of the 15 is not bad, considering I am British
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 well..  accepted... be it so...
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				| 36. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:51 pm |  
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	 | Quoting AllTooHuman: Well... Here are my first and second top fifteen list according to the two slightly different definitions of novel.
 novel: Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes
 
 1. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 2. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 3. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 4. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 5. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 6. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 7. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 8. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 9. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 10. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 11. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 12. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 13. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 14. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 15. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 
 novel: an extended fictional work in prose; usually in the form of a story
 
 1. Crime and Punishment - Dostoyevsky
 2. Les Miserables - Victor Hugo (Ah, my dear Jan Valjean!...)
 3. The Brothers Karamazov -  Dostoyevsky
 4. Anna Karenina - Tolstoy
 5. For Whom the Bell Tolls - Hemingway
 6. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
 7. The Trial - Kafka
 8. War and Peace - Tolstoy
 9. Ulysses - James Joyce
 10. Frankenstein - Marry Shelley
 11. Search of Lost Time (whole series) - Marcel Proust
 12. The Iron Heel - Jack London
 13. Modam Bovary - Gustave Flaubert
 14. The Grapes of Wratf - John Steinbeck
 15. Oblomov - Ivan Goncharov
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 ..appears you have not listed a single novelist from your OWN country
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				| 37. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:52 pm |  
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	One of the most human books I ever read: "The Book of the Dun Cow" by Walter Wangerin. And maybe "Waterbabies" by Charles Kingsley... Now I am becoming sentimental... it's the fault of the man in yellow coat... 		 |  |  
	
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				| 38. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 07:56 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting AllTooHuman: Well... Here are my first and second top fifteen list according to the two slightly different definitions of novel.
 novel: Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes
 
 1. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 2. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 3. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 4. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 5. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 6. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 7. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 8. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 9. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 10. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 11. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 12. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 13. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 14. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 15. Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes
 
 novel: an extended fictional work in prose; usually in the form of a story
 
 1. Crime and Punishment - Dostoyevsky
 2. Les Miserables - Victor Hugo (Ah, my dear Jan Valjean!...)
 3. The Brothers Karamazov -  Dostoyevsky
 4. Anna Karenina - Tolstoy
 5. For Whom the Bell Tolls - Hemingway
 6. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
 7. The Trial - Kafka
 8. War and Peace - Tolstoy
 9. Ulysses - James Joyce
 10. Frankenstein - Marry Shelley
 11. Search of Lost Time (whole series) - Marcel Proust
 12. The Iron Heel - Jack London
 13. Modam Bovary - Gustave Flaubert
 14. The Grapes of Wratf - John Steinbeck
 15. Oblomov - Ivan Goncharov
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 ..appears you have not listed a single novelist from your OWN country
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 Because, I am and must be, unlike you, objective. I don't see any Turkish novel among any top-fifteen-list. As back as 120 years or so our own novel tradition goes.
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				| 39. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:01 pm |  
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	 | Quoting AllTooHuman: Because, I am and must be, unlike you, objective. I don't see any Turkish novel among any top-fifteen-list. As back as 120 years or so our own novel tradition goes. | 
 Piff! How can you decide that my list was not objective.  It most certainly was!! You imagined that the majority of my list were British authors when in fact only 9 of 15 were.  What next will you accuse me of - bad detective work ....??
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				| 40. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:04 pm |  
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	AllTooGoodDetectiveWork, Aenigma... Like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle... Do you like Sherlock Holmes, by the way?   |  |  
	
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				| 41. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:05 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: AllTooGoodDetectiveWork, Aenigma... Like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle... Do you like Sherlock Holmes, by the way?  | 
 Sherlock Holmes, Agatha Christie.....
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				| 42. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:10 pm |  
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	O my god! I completely forgot French Literature!
 Victor Hugo – Les Miserables
 Victor Hugo – The Hunchback Of Notre-Dame
 Gustave Flaubert - Madame Bovary
 Stendhal – Red and Black
 Alexandre Dumas Son – La dame aux camélias,
 Alexandre Dumas Father – The Three Musketeers, The Count of Monte Cristo (and many many others!)
 
 I agree! 115 wouldn’t be enough!
 
 And allow me adding one of my biggest favorites –  Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach.
 
 And.. and.. talking about novels for children and youth … who doidn’t grow up reading “Robinson Crusoeâ€â€¦
 
 Oh… how about 1115?
 
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				| 43. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:11 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting duda: AllTooGoodDetectiveWork, Aenigma... Like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle... Do you like Sherlock Holmes, by the way?  | 
 Sherlock Holmes, Agatha Christie.....
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 Or like inspector Javert from Les Miserables?
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				| 44. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:13 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: 
Victor Hugo – The Hunchback Of Notre-Dame
 Alexandre Dumas Son – La dame aux camélias,
 Alexandre Dumas Father – The Three Musketeers, The Count of Monte Cristo (and many many others!)
 Jonathan Livingston Seagull[/B] by Richard Bach.
 
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 Ouh! I should have included these too!!!  Ahhh we will never need another thread here!
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				| 45. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:15 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: O my god! I completely forgot French Literature!
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 how about Balzac - Father Goriot
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				| 46. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:17 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: AllTooGoodDetectiveWork, Aenigma... Like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle... Do you like Sherlock Holmes, by the way?  | 
 but wasnt it his assistant Dr. Watson which mostly solve the events
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				| 47. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:19 pm |  
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	What about Gabriel Chevallier and his "Clochemerle"? Oooooohhhh... French writers! And Lesage...		 |  |  
	
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				| 48. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:21 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting duda: AllTooGoodDetectiveWork, Aenigma... Like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle... Do you like Sherlock Holmes, by the way?  | 
 Sherlock Holmes, Agatha Christie.....
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 Or like inspector Javert from Les Miserables?
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 Hahahahaha! You are killing me, duda! Javert is certainly my favourite, compared to Holmes-like so called detectives. Javert was  all too human to be detective, that's why he jumped into the river in the end.
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				| 49. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:22 pm |  
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	 | Quoting AllTooHuman:  that's why he jumped into the river in the end. | 
 
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				| 50. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:25 pm |  
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	Mon plaisire, Jean...    |  |  
	
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				| 51. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:25 pm |  
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	I have another children's book to add to my list!  
 The Wind in the Willows - Kenneth Grahame
   
 Awwwwwww
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				| 52. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:27 pm |  
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	You stole it from me...    |  |  
	
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				| 53. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:30 pm |  
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	But admit... you read "Harriette the Spy" when you was a child? Admit...   |  |  
	
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				| 54. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:32 pm |  
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	 | Quoting AllTooHuman:  so called detectives. | 
 Shouldn't that read "so-called detectives" ????
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				| 55. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:34 pm |  
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	Or SoCalledDetectives... Uhhhh, this is going fast like Midnight Express!		 |  |  
	
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				| 56. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:34 pm |  
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	 | Quoting SuiGeneris: To Duda and Slavica;
 You are like walking libraries!!! Its unbelievable!!!
 Now i bend infront of you!
 
 With regards your majesty!
   
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 Dear Sui, in my case, it has something with my age: when I was a child, I didn’t have even television, not to mention video recorders and computers, so reading was my only entertainment. I’ve started reading before I went to school and from this time I didn’t stop. I don’t think there is a book of Alexandre Dumas, Zane Gray, Mark Twaine, Karl May... that I didn’t read. And when I came to highschool, it was matter of honor to discuss works of Dostoyevski, Hesse, (WOW! How could I forget Demian, Sidarta) Camus, Kafka...
 
 Now I bend infront of you for your knowledge about computers
   
 AND literature!
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				| 57. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:35 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: Or SoCalledDetectives... Uhhhh, this is going fast like Midnight Express! | 
 Hehehe!
  I didn't read Hariette the Spy, but I did read a lot of Ian Fleming   |  |  
	
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				| 58. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:37 pm |  
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	 | Quote: | Quoting slavica: [AUOTE SOURCE=SuiGeneris]To Duda and Slavica;
 You are like walking libraries!!! Its unbelievable!!!
 Now i bend infront of you!
 
 With regards your majesty!
   
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 Dear Sui, in my case, it has something with my age: when I was a child, I didn’t have even television, not to mention video recorders and computers, so reading was my only entertainment. I’ve started reading before I went to school and from this time I didn’t stop. I don’t think there is a book of Alexandre Dumas, Zane Gray, Mark Twaine, Karl May... that I didn’t read. And when I came to highschool, it was matter of honor to discuss works of Dostoyevski, Hesse, (WOW! How could I forget Demian, Sidarta) Camus, Kafka...
 
 Now I bend infront of you for your knowledge about computers
   
 AND literature!
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 Don't reveal our age!
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				| 59. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:37 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: Dear Sui, in my case, it has something with my age: when I was a child, I didn’t have even television, not to mention video recorders and computers, so reading was my only entertainment. I’ve started reading before I went to school and from this time I didn’t stop. I don’t think there is a book of Alexandre Dumas, Zane Gray, Mark Twaine, Karl May... that I didn’t read. And when I came to highschool, it was matter of honor to discuss works of Dostoyevski, Hesse, (WOW! How could I forget Demian, Sidarta) Camus, Kafka...
 Now I bend infront of you for your knowledge about computers
   
 AND literature!
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 Awwwww Slavica!  I did the same.  In the end my parents would try to limit my reading the way parents now limit their child's computer time!  I remember well reading under the bed covers with a torch after "lights out"
   
 PS.  Sui, please take care when bending in front of people!
 
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				| 60. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:39 pm |  
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	Lucky you! You had the torch...		 |  |  
	
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				| 61. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:42 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting slavica: Dear Sui, in my case, it has something with my age: when I was a child, I didn’t have even television, not to mention video recorders and computers, so reading was my only entertainment. I’ve started reading before I went to school and from this time I didn’t stop. I don’t think there is a book of Alexandre Dumas, Zane Gray, Mark Twaine, Karl May... that I didn’t read. And when I came to highschool, it was matter of honor to discuss works of Dostoyevski, Hesse, (WOW! How could I forget Demian, Sidarta) Camus, Kafka...
 Now I bend infront of you for your knowledge about computers
   
 AND literature!
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 Awwwww Slavica!  I did the same.  In the end my parents would try to limit my reading the way parents now limit their child's computer time!  I remember well reading under the bed covers with a torch after "lights out"
   
 PS.  Sui, please take care when bending in front of people!
 
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 Yes, yes, my parents too! And I had OBLIGATION to go out and play with other children 2 hours a day!
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				| 62. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:44 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: 
Dear Sui, in my case, it has something with my age: when I was a child, I didn’t have even television, not to mention video recorders and computers, so reading was my only entertainment. I’ve started reading before I went to school and from this time I didn’t stop. I don’t think there is a book of Alexandre Dumas, Zane Gray, Mark Twaine, Karl May... that I didn’t read. And when I came to highschool, it was matter of honor to discuss works of Dostoyevski, Hesse, (WOW! How could I forget Demian, Sidarta) Camus, Kafka...
 
 Now I bend infront of you for your knowledge about computers
   
 AND literature!
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 well dont tell me about age please dear Slavica
   do you know when first computer entered to my room? it was my first year in university
   
 Television was invented true
  but i used to play outside and spanked on ass by my mom becoz of having dirty shirts and pants... i used to climb trees and eat stuff there... cycling with my gang to sea and fight with other gangs   
 i miss those times...
 
 it has something to do with interest, ofcourse you didnt have more chances but i believe books were not that reachable aswell!!
 
 p.s. i had started reading and writing and some basic calculations at the age of 5
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				| 63. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:45 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: | Quoting slavica: | Quoting SuiGeneris: To Duda and Slavica;
 You are like walking libraries!!! Its unbelievable!!!
 Now i bend infront of you!
 
 With regards your majesty!
   
 | 
 Dear Sui, in my case, it has something with my age: when I was a child, I didn’t have even television, not to mention video recorders and computers, so reading was my only entertainment. I’ve started reading before I went to school and from this time I didn’t stop. I don’t think there is a book of Alexandre Dumas, Zane Gray, Mark Twaine, Karl May... that I didn’t read. And when I came to highschool, it was matter of honor to discuss works of Dostoyevski, Hesse, (WOW! How could I forget Demian, Sidarta) Camus, Kafka...
 
 Now I bend infront of you for your knowledge about computers
   
 AND literature!
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 Don't reveal our age!
  We will lose all of our spammers! | 
 Hey, I was talking of MY age! I trust my spammers!
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				| 64. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:47 pm |  
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	In fact... no need to worry... I am sure they do not read this thread.   |  |  
	
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				| 65. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:48 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: 
PS.  Sui, please take care when bending in front of people!
 
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 why?
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				| 66. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:53 pm |  
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	 | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting aenigma x: 
PS.  Sui, please take care when bending in front of people!
 
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 why?
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 Well, bowing in front of someone is one thing, but BENDING in front of someone could be dangerous.... particularly if you find yourself in prison, or perhaps a gay bar
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				| 67. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:55 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: In fact... no need to worry... I am sure they do not read this thread.  | 
 Duda please stopppppppp! I am crying with laughter here - you smudged my mascara!! Oh...what the hell, its Sunday - who's going to see me
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				| 68. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:56 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting aenigma x: 
PS.  Sui, please take care when bending in front of people!
 
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 why?
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 Well, bowing in front of someone is one thing, but BENDING in front of someone could be dangerous.... particulary if you find yourself in prison, or perhaps a gay bar
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 Nothing can happen to me easily, i have met BOD hehehe
 and i know the people i am bending in front
   but thank you for warning
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				| 69. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:57 pm |  
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	Ohhhh... Oscar Wilde! 
 By the way, I was right: spammers DO NOT read this thread. I just got this:
 
 heloo there..how are u..
 
 Which writer should I quote in my answer?
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				| 70. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:59 pm |  
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	Dorian Gray... or Bodrian Gray?		 |  |  
	
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				| 71. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 08:59 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: Ohhhh... Oscar Wilde! 
 By the way, I was right: spammers DO NOT read this thread. I just got this:
 
 heloo there..how are u..
 
 Which writer should I quote in my answer?
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 How could we have forgotten Oscar Wilde??? "A HANDBAG!!!"
 
 I know how you remembered him of course - it was all that bending over!
 
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				| 72. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 09:01 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: Ohhhh... Oscar Wilde! 
 By the way, I was right: spammers DO NOT read this thread. I just got this:
 
 heloo there..how are u..
 
 Which writer should I quote in my answer?
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my prep teacher had told me that, he was gay
   her pardon
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				| 73. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 09:03 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: Dorian Gray... or Bodrian Gray? | 
 yeah in the exam of that book i had summerized that story
 The Picture of Dorian Gray
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				| 74. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 09:06 pm |  
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	I think I should go!  It's one thing to trash a thread in Off-Topic, but quite another to trash one in Poetry and Literature!
 Slavica!!
 
 I am surprised at you!
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				| 75. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 09:07 pm |  
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	 | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting duda: Dorian Gray... or Bodrian Gray? | 
 yeah in the exam of that book i had summerized that story
 The Picture of Dorian Gray
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 One "r" is surplus... as much as I could understand it...
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				| 77. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 09:18 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: You stole it from me...    | 
 Ahh, I'll give you my copy of Winnie the Pooh tamam?
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				| 78. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 09:22 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: I remember well reading under the bed covers with a torch after "lights out"   
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 +1
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				| 79. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 09:23 pm |  
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	Only if it's illustrated... with beautiful drawings of Ernest Shepard who illustrated both the Winnie and the Wind! 
 
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				| 80. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 10:47 pm |  
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	Having scanned through the tread I am ashamed to say that I have not read hardly any of the books listed except Jonathan Seagull which I loved! and Lady Chatterley's Lover, the unexpurgated version of course.
 My literary list are mostly biographies and true stories(for example Wild Swans, The mysteries of Olga Checkova)and I used to be a Patricia Cornwall fan (no classics here! just blood and gore) and one book I could not put down, was "Silence of the Lambs" by Thomas Harris.
 
 
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				| 81. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 10:52 pm |  
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	 | Quoting libralady: one book I could not put down, was "Silence of the Lambs" by Thomas Harris.
 
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 this is another good story that is perfectly screened in movies...
 heard that 4th one of that series is coming...
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				| 82. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 10:56 pm |  
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	 | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting libralady: one book I could not put down, was "Silence of the Lambs" by Thomas Harris.
 
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 this is another good story that is perfectly screened in movies...
 heard that 4th one of that series is coming...
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 Having read the book first made the film even better.  I am not sure I think there is a fourth film, something about revenge and I dont think this time it is Anthony Hopkins.
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				| 83. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 11:27 pm |  
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	THE BEST OF THE WORLD
THE BEST OF THE CENTURY
 
 According  to TIME Magazine worlwide (USA) (1999-2006)
 
 BEST NOVEL OF THE CENTURY=
 “Ulysses† by  James  Joyce  (1922)
 Runners-Up=
 “One Hundred Years of Solitude† by  Gabriel Garcia   Marquez
 “Lolita† by Vladimir Nabokov
 
 THE COMPLETE LIST – TIME Magazine All-Time 100 Novels:
 “An American Tragedy†by Theodore dreiser
 “Beloved†by toni morrison
 “Animal Farm†by George Orwell
 “Mrs.Dalloway†by Virginia Woolf
 “Herzog†by Saul  Bellow
 â€Invisible Man†by Ralp Ellison
 “Gone With the Wind†by Margaret Mitchell
 “The Grapes of Wrath† by John Steinbeck
 “The Sun Also Rises†by Ernest Hemingway
 â€To kill a Mockingbird†by Harper Lee
 “To the Lighthouse†by Virginia Woolf
 â€Tropic of Cancer†by Henry Miller
 “Housekeepng†by Marilyne Robinson
 “White Teeth†by Zadie Smith
 “Loving†by Henry Green
 “The blid Assassin†by Margaret Atwood
 “Are You There God, It’s Me, Margaret†by Judy Blume
 “The Man who loved Childen†by Christina Stead
 “A Handful of Dust†by Evelyn Waugh
 “A Death in the Family†by James Agee
 “Play It As It lays†by Joan Didion
 “The Power and the Glory†by Graham Gren
 “Go Tell it on the Mountain†by James Baldwin
 “The Spy Who Came in from the Cold†by John Le carre
 “Dog Soldiers†by Robert Stone
 …
 …
 BEST NONFICTION BOOK OF THE CENTURY =
 “The Gulag Archipipelago†by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn (1974)
 “The Diary of a Young Girl†by Anne Frank
 “The Double Helix†by James Watson
 
 BEST CHILDREN’S BOOK  OF THE CENTURY=
 “Charlotte’s Web†by E.BWhite (1952)
 “The   Chronicles of Nornia†by C.S.Lewis
 “A Wrinkle in Time† by Madeleine L’ Engle
 
 BEST POEM OF THE CENTURY=
 “The Waste Land†by T.S.Eliot  (1922)
 Runners -Up=
 The Second Coming† by W.B.Yeats
 Home Burial†by Robert Frost
 
 
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				| 84. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 11:46 pm |  
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	 | Quoting libralady: Having scanned through the tread I am ashamed to say that I have not read hardly any of the books listed.
 My literary list are mostly biographies and true stories and I used to be a Patricia Cornwall fan (no classics here! just blood and gore).
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 Same for me. I feel ashamed not only that I haven't read them but there are many authors I even do not know...
 
 So, sorry guys & girls, no list from me.
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				| 85. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 11:52 pm |  
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 Surprise!!, eh?... Hehehe!
 
 Well, here are the greatest novels of all time.
 
 The greatest novels of all time
 
 1. Don Quixote - Cervantes
 2. War and Peace - Tolstoy
 3. Ulysses - Joyce
 4. In Search of Lost Time - Proust
 5. The Brothers Karamazov - Dostoevsky
 6. Moby Dick - Melville
 7. Madame Bovay - Flaubert
 8 Middlemarch - George Eliot
 9. The Magic Mountain - Mann
 10. The Tale of Genji - Lady Murasaki
 11. Emma - Austen
 12. Bleak house - Dickens
 13. Anna Karenina - Tolstoy
 14. Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Twain
 15. Tom Jones - Fielding
 16. Great Expectations - Dickens
 17. Absolom, Absolom - Faulkner
 18. The Ambassadors - HenryJames
 19. One Hundred Years of Solitude - Marquez
 20. The GReat Gatsby- Fitzgerald
 21. To the Lighthouse - Woolf
 22. Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
 23. The Sound and the Fury - Faulkner
 24. Vanity Fair - Thackeray
 25. Invisble Man - Ellison
 26. Finnegan's Wake - Joyce
 27. The Man Without Qulaities - Musil
 28. Gravity's Rainbow - Pynchon
 29. The Portrait of a Lady - Henry James
 30. Women in Love - Lawrence
 31. The Red and the Black - Stendahl
 32. Tristram Shandy - Sterne
 33. Dead Souls - Gogol
 34. Tess of the D'Urbevilles - Hardy
 35. Buddenbrooks - Hardy
 36. Le Pere Goirot - Balzac
 37. A Portrait of the Artitst as a Young Man - Joyce
 38. Wuthering Heights - Emily Bronte
 39. The Tin Drum - Grass
 40. Molloy Malone Dies, The Unnameable - Beckett
 41. Pride and Prejudice - Austen
 42. The Scarlet Letter - Hawthorne
 43. Fathers and Sons - Turgenev
 44. Nostromo - Conrad
 45. Beloved - Morrison
 46. An American TRagedy - Dreiser
 47. Lolita - Nabokov
 48. The Golden Notebook - Lessing
 49. Clarrissa - Richardson
 50. Dream of the Red Chamber - Cao Xueqin
 51. The Trial - Kafka
 52. Jane Erye - Charlotte Bronte
 53. The Red Badge of Courage - Crane
 54. The GRapes of Wrath - Steinbeck
 55. Petersburg - Bely
 56. Things Fall apart - Achebe
 57. The Princess of cleves - Lafayette
 58. The Stranger - Camus
 59. My Antonia - Cather
 60. The coutnerfeiters - Gide
 61. The Age of Innocence - Wharton
 62. The Good Soldier - Ford
 63. The Awakening - Chopin
 64. A Passage to India - Forster
 65. Herzog - Bellow
 66. Germinal - Zola
 67. Call it Sleep - Henry Roth
 68. U.S.A. Trilogy - Dos Passos
 69. Hunger - Hamsun
 70. Berlin Alexanderplatz- Doblin
 71. Cities of Salt - Munif
 72. The Death of Artemio Cruz - Fuentes
 73. A Farwell to Arms - Hemmingway
 74. Brideshead Revisited - Waugh
 75. The LAst chronicle of Barset - Trollope
 76. The Pickwick Papers - Dickens
 77. Robinson Crusoe - Defoe
 78. The sorrows of Young Werther - Goethe
 79. Candide - Voltaire
 80. Native Son - Wright
 81. Under the Volcano - Lowry
 82. Oblomov - Goncharov
 83. Their eyes Were Watching God - Hurston
 84. Waverly - Scott
 85. Snow country - Kawabata
 86. 1984 - Orwell
 87. The Betrothed - Manzoni
 88. The Last of the Mohicans - Cooper
 89. Uncle Tom's Cabin - Stowe
 90. Les Miserables - Hugo
 91. On the Road - Kerouac
 92. Frankenstien - Shelley
 93. The Leopard - Lampedusa
 94. The Catcher in the Rye - Salinger
 95. The Woman in the White - Collins
 96. The Good Soldier Svejk - Hasek
 97. Dracula - Stoker
 98. The Three Musketeers - Dumas
 99. The Hound of the Baskervilles - Doyle
 100.Gone with the Wind - Mitchell
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				| 86. | 18 Feb 2007 Sun 11:57 pm |  
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	 | Quoting libralady: for example Wild Swans  | 
 I loved Wild Swans (Jung Chang). I dont know why but of all the harrowing things that happened, it was the grandmothers foot-binding which really stuck in my mind!
 
 Ouchhhhhhh!
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				| 87. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 12:27 am |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting libralady: for example Wild Swans  | 
 I loved Wild Swans (Jung Chang). I dont know why but of all the harrowing things that happened, it was the grandmothers foot-binding which really stuck in my mind!
 
 Ouchhhhhhh!
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 It was heart rendereing in places and that lead me to stop reading novels and start reading about people and their lives - so Patricia Cornwall was out of the picture or off the shelves!!
 
 Another Chinese related book was 'Falling Leaves: The Memoir of an Unwanted Chinese Daughter
 by Adeline Yen Mah'  and I am not ashamed to say this one made me cry
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				| 88. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 01:19 am |  
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	My universities by maxim gorki
French liutenants woman by john fowles
 Great expecations by Charles Dickens
 A love episode by emile zola
 Crime and punishment by dostoyevsky
 Wuthering heights by emily bronte
 A Farewell to Arms by Ernest Hemingway
 George orwell 1984
 Black Coffee" by Agatha Christie
 
 
 Mehmet my hawk by yaşar kemal
 Sevdalinka by ayşe kulin
 4th murad by  yavuz bahadıroglu
 Çanakkale mahşeri(the last judgement in Çanakkale) by mehmed Niyazi
 Şu çılgın Türkler by Turgut özakman(not really good)
 Leyla ile mecnun İskender pala
 
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				| 89. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 01:41 am |  
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	Here are some good books, not novels though (who has time for that!  ). Take a look: 
 Richard Wrangham, Dale Paterson - Demonic Males
 Jackson Katz - The Macho Paradox
 Gary Brooks - The Centerfold Syndrome
 
 
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				| 90. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 01:48 am |  
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All Nobel Laureates in Literature
 The Nobel Prize in Literature has been awarded to 103 persons since 1901.
 Jump down to: | 1980 | 1960 | 1940 | 1920 | 1901 |
 •	2006 - Orhan Pamuk
 •	2005 - Harold Pinter
 •	2004 - Elfriede Jelinek
 •	2003 - J.M. Coetzee
 •	2002 - Imre Kertész
 •	2001 - V.S. Naipaul
 •	2000 - Gao Xingjian
 •	1999 - Günter Grass
 •	1998 - José Saramago
 •	1997 - Dario Fo
 •	1996 - Wislawa Szymborska
 •	1995 - Seamus Heaney
 •	1994 - Kenzaburo Oe
 •	1993 - Toni Morrison
 •	1992 - Derek Walcott
 •	1991 - Nadine Gordimer
 •	1990 - Octavio Paz
 •	1989 - Camilo José Cela
 •	1988 - Naguib Mahfouz
 •	1987 - Joseph Brodsky
 •	1986 - Wole Soyinka
 •	1985 - Claude Simon
 •	1984 - Jaroslav Seifert
 •	1983 - William Golding
 •	1982 - Gabriel GarcÃa Márquez
 •	1981 - Elias Canetti
 •	1980 - Czeslaw Milosz
 •	1979 - Odysseus Elytis
 •	1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
 •	1977 - Vicente Aleixandre
 •	1976 - Saul Bellow
 •	1975 - Eugenio Montale
 •	1974 - Eyvind Johnson, Harry Martinson
 •	1973 - Patrick White
 •	1972 - Heinrich Böll
 •	1971 - Pablo Neruda
 •	1970 - Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
 •	1969 - Samuel Beckett
 •	1968 - Yasunari Kawabata
 •	1967 - Miguel Angel Asturias
 •	1966 - Samuel Agnon, Nelly Sachs
 •	1965 - Mikhail Sholokhov
 •	1964 - Jean-Paul Sartre
 •	1963 - Giorgos Seferis
 •	1962 - John Steinbeck
 •	1961 - Ivo Andric
 •	1960 - Saint-John Perse
 •	1959 - Salvatore Quasimodo
 •	1958 - Boris Pasternak
 •	1957 - Albert Camus
 •	1956 - Juan Ramón Jiménez
 •	1955 - Halldór Laxness
 •	1954 - Ernest Hemingway
 •	1953 - Winston Churchill
 •	1952 - François Mauriac
 •	1951 - Pär Lagerkvist
 •	1950 - Bertrand Russell
 •	1949 - William Faulkner
 •	1948 - T.S. Eliot
 •	1947 - André Gide
 •	1946 - Hermann Hesse
 •	1945 - Gabriela Mistral
 •	1944 - Johannes V. Jensen
 •	1943 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
 •	1942 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
 •	1941 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
 •	1940 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
 •	1939 - Frans Eemil Sillanpää
 •	1938 - Pearl Buck
 •	1937 - Roger Martin du Gard
 •	1936 - Eugene O'Neill
 •	1935 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
 •	1934 - Luigi Pirandello
 •	1933 - Ivan Bunin
 •	1932 - John Galsworthy
 •	1931 - Erik Axel Karlfeldt
 •	1930 - Sinclair Lewis
 •	1929 - Thomas Mann
 •	1928 - Sigrid Undset
 •	1927 - Henri Bergson
 •	1926 - Grazia Deledda
 •	1925 - George Bernard Shaw
 •	1924 - Wladyslaw Reymont
 •	1923 - William Butler Yeats
 •	1922 - Jacinto Benavente
 •	1921 - Anatole France
 •	1920 - Knut Hamsun
 •	1919 - Carl Spitteler
 •	1918 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
 •	1917 - Karl Gjellerup, Henrik Pontoppidan
 •	1916 - Verner von Heidenstam
 •	1915 - Romain Rolland
 •	1914 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
 •	1913 - Rabindranath Tagore
 •	1912 - Gerhart Hauptmann
 •	1911 - Maurice Maeterlinck
 •	1910 - Paul Heyse
 •	1909 - Selma Lagerlöf
 •	1908 - Rudolf Eucken
 •	1907 - Rudyard Kipling
 •	1906 - Giosuè Carducci
 •	1905 - Henryk Sienkiewicz
 •	1904 - Frédéric Mistral, José Echegaray
 •	1903 - Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson
 •	1902 - Theodor Mommsen
 •	1901 - Sully Prudhomme
 
 
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				| 91. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 02:54 am |  
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	For me the best (therefore my favorites) are :
 1 The Tunnel ( Ernesto Sábato )
 
 2 The Foreigner (Albert Camus) Master piece!
 
 3 One hundred years of loneliness" (Gabriel GarcÃa Márquez)
 
 4 Virgins of Paradise (Barbara Wood)
 
 5 The Alchemist (Paulo Coelho)
 
 6 Diario de un Mago (Paulo Coelho)
 
 7 Veinte Poemas de amor y una canción desesperada (Pablo Neruda) - chilean poet-
 
 8 MartÃn Rivas (Alberto Blest Ghana ) - chilean writer-
 
 9 "La Cabaña del TÃo Tom "
 
 10 "The Talented Mr. Ripley (Patricia Highsmith)
 
 11 "The House of Spirits" (Isabel Allende)-chilean writer-
 
 12 "El perfume"
 
 13 " El lobo estepario" (Herman Hesse)
 
 14 "Corazón" (Edmundo d' Amicis) I was a little girl when I read it and really touched me
 
 15 "Los Viejos puentes de madera" ( Robert James Waller)
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				| 92. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:06 am |  
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	 | Quoting Dilara: 
7 Veinte Poemas de amor y una canción desesperada (Pablo Neruda) - chilean poet-
 
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 It would be No. 1 on my list if we didn't talk of novels
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				| 93. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:58 am |  
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	Can I add some more, even if they aren't novels:
 - "Arabian Nights" or "1001 Nights"
 - "The Art of War" (Sun Tzu)
 - "Little Women" (Louise May Alcott)
 - "Doña Flor and her two husbands" (Jorge Amado)
 - I ching
 - "Classicals" (Confucius)
 - "The name of the Rose" (Umberto Eco)
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				| 94. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 09:44 am |  
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	Forgot another one:
 American Psycho by Brett Easton Ellis
 
 ps: this time I've seen the movie, it's absolutely nothing like the book......
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				| 95. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 10:59 am |  
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	gabriel garcia marquez -one hundred years of solitude 8 i dont think any other novel could be better than this ) 
 paul auster - the book of illusions
 
 dostoeyevsky - crime and punishment
 
 steinbeck - of mice and men
 
 milan kundera - the unbearable lightness of being
 
 ..these are my favoruite 5 one
 
 and of course there are really good turkish novels but you can not find any of them except novels of orhan pamuk and yasar kemal
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				| 96. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 11:33 am |  
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	merhaba!
as the universal library has unlimited resources and therefore selecting the "best"/"most read"/"most popular" 15 books seems unrealistic, I propose to have an open list of recommendations
 
 mine are the following:
 Amin Maalouf- Leo Africanus and Balthasar`s Odyssey
 Sadegh Hedayat- The Blind Owl (BUF-e KUR)
 Rudolf Otto- The Holly
 Mircea Eliade- Sacred and Profane
 Umberto Eco- The Name of the Rose
 Mikhail Bulgakov- The Master and MArgarita
 Hermann Hesse- Steppenwolf and The Glass Bead Game (Magister Ludi)
 Jose Saramago- The Gospel According to Jesus Christ and All the Names
 Ismail Kadare- The General of the Dead Army
 N.H. Kleinbaum- Dead Poets Society
 Milan Kundera- Ludicrous Loves
 Pascal Bruckner- The Art of Loving
 Marguerite Duras- L`Amant
 Carlos Ruiz Zafon- The Shadow of the Wind
 Peter Beagle- The Last Unicorn and Fine and Private Place
 
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				| 97. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 01:14 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Trudy: | Quoting libralady: Having scanned through the tread I am ashamed to say that I have not read hardly any of the books listed.
 My literary list are mostly biographies and true stories and I used to be a Patricia Cornwall fan (no classics here! just blood and gore).
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 Same for me. I feel ashamed not only that I haven't read them but there are many authors I even do not know...
 
 So, sorry guys & girls, no list from me.
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 I suspect Oswald Spangler was right in his "Decline of the West".
  In my country we just couldn't finish grammar school without reading ALL classics and the most of contemporary writers... starting from "Iliad" and "Odyssey" and finishing with the last winner of Nobel prize...  Anyway, I add Spengler to the list... philosophy, but readable like any novel... and useful, I daresay. |  |  
	
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				| 98. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 01:21 pm |  
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	 | Quoting AllTooHuman: 
35. Buddenbrooks - Hardy
 
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 AllTooWrong... Buddenbrooks were written by Thomas Mann. What happened to your erudition?
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				| 99. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 02:40 pm |  
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	Difficult to keep it to 15 - but here are some of my favourites from the age of about 5 upwards :
 'Black Beauty'  ~  Anna Sewell
 'Pippi Longstocking'  ~  Astrid Lindgren
 'Adventures of Tom Sawyer'  ~  Mark Twain
 'The Wind in the Willows'  ~  Kenneth Grahame
 'David Copperfield'  ~  Charles Dickens
 'Gullivers Travels'  ~  Jonathan Swift
 'The Secret Garden'  ~  Frances Hodgson Burnett
 'Tai Pan'  ~  Charles Clavell
 'Papillon'  ~  Henri Charriere
 'Brideshead Revisited' ~  Evenlyn Waugh
 'Rebecca'  ~  Daphne du Maurier
 'Of Mice and Men'  ~  John Steinbeck
 'To Kill a Mockingbird'  ~  Harper Lee
 'Lord of the Flies'  ~  William Goldring
 'The Hobbit'  ~  J R R Tolkien
 'Sala's Gift':My Mother's Holocaust Story ~Anna Krichner
 'Cold Mountain'  ~  Charles Frazier
 'Pride and Prejudice'  ~  Jane Austen
 'One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest'  ~  Ken Kesey
 
 
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				| 100. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 02:50 pm |  
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	 | Quoting reBooped: 'Lord of the Flies'  ~  William Goldring  | 
 Thanks for remembering me of that one dear!
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				| 101. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 02:52 pm |  
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				| 102. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 02:53 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda:  In my country we just couldn't finish grammar school without reading ALL classics and the most of contemporary writers... starting from "Iliad" and "Odyssey" and finishing with the last winner of Nobel prize...   . | 
 Of course I had to read classical literature for secondary school, but Dutch ones. And Nobel prize winners were not compulsory, they had other measurements: I had to read books from the middle ages, Renaissance, era of Voltaire (don't know the English word), between 1850 - 1940 and after 1940. But all Dutch writers. And Iliad or Odyssey was only when you had Greek lessons, which I didn't.
 
 The books I read then are absolutely not my favourites, I hated reading them!
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				| 103. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:03 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Trudy: And Iliad or Odyssey was only when you had Greek lessons, which I didn't. 
 The books I read then are absolutely not my favourites, I hated reading them!
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 I was in mathematic school, but we had to read Iliad and Odyssey... as Slavica said, it was not only for a mark; it was a matter of honour... obviously there is big difference in our cultures and education systems. For we enjoyed reading clssics.
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				| 104. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:05 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Trudy: | Quoting duda:  In my country we just couldn't finish grammar school without reading ALL classics and the most of contemporary writers... starting from 'Iliad' and 'Odyssey' and finishing with the last winner of Nobel prize...   . | 
 Of course I had to read classical literature for secondary school, but Dutch ones.
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 We had Dutch ones in Dutch classes, but also some classical Greek stuff for example.
 And we had (classical) French literature in French classes, and English ones in English classes..
 It's strange that your school system stressed so much on "just Dutch".
 
 ps: I never had latin or greek either.
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				| 105. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:10 pm |  
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	Or it's the differences between students... which I conclude from Elisa's post. Thanks, Elisa! I didn't know you are from Netherlands, so I draw away my words. My opinion about Duch students doesn't refer to you.   We had bad students who hated clasics too... |  |  
	
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				| 106. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:11 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Elisa: We had Dutch ones in Dutch classes, but also some classical Greek stuff for example. 
And we had (classical) French literature in French classes, and English ones in English classes..
 It's strange that your school system stressed so much on "just Dutch".
 
 ps: I never had latin or greek either.
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 In French classes we had to read French literature yes, I never finished Francoise Sagan.... In English we had to read English literature - wow, what a nice video's there were of all those books
  . In German I never had to read books because as soon as possible I skipped that, so the literature exams where not for me. 
 Do understand me correct, I love reading but when the word 'compulsory' comes, I refuse.
 
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				| 107. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:15 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: I didn't know you are from Netherlands,  | 
 Correction: I'm Belgian
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				| 108. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:18 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda:  We had bad students who hated clasics too...  | 
 A student who hates to read compulsory books is a bad student? What a prejudice!
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				| 109. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:20 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: We had bad students who hated clasics too...  | 
 You're right, it's a matter of taste. And "les goûts et les couleurs..."
   
 My favourite literature has always been Anglo/American. I read and like other books as well of course, but I always return to the English stuff..
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				| 110. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:30 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Trudy: 
 A student who hates to read compulsory books is a bad student? What a prejudice!
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 Very simple formula: if you don't read, you can't get good mark. If you don't have good marks, you can't join the University. If you don't join the University, you can't become a teacher.
 
 Pride or prejudice, that is the question...
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				| 111. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:34 pm |  
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	If you label them as "classics" I think its an instant turn-off to some people!  "Classics" are a wide range of novels which have have become regarded as such because they are so wonderfully written!  
 People imagine them all to be "heavy going" when in fact they are all diverse and unique.
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				| 112. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:36 pm |  
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	Love of reading comes from chosing books(whatever kind) that you enjoy - not those which you are made to read - at school, college wherever   |  |  
	
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				| 113. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:37 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: If you label them as "classics" I think its an instant turn-off to some people!  "Classics" are a wide range of novels which have have become regarded as such because they are so wonderfully written!  
 People imagine them all to be "heavy going" when in fact they are all diverse and unique.
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 Absolutely right, Aenigma! But they will never know what good stuff they have missed.
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				| 114. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:38 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: | Quoting Trudy: 
 A student who hates to read compulsory books is a bad student? What a prejudice!
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 Very simple formula: if you don't read, you can't get good mark. If you don't have good marks, you can't join the University. If you don't join the University, you can't become a teacher.
 
 Pride or prejudice, that is the question...
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 Still prejudice. You don't know the schoolsystem in the Netherlands and use your own standards for judging it. Getting good marks (and thus going to university) is also possible with other things, writing papers, essays, having speeches in front of the complete school etcetera.
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				| 115. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:38 pm |  
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	 | Quoting reBooped: Love of reading comes from chosing books(whatever kind) that you enjoy - not those which you are made to read - at school, college wherever   | 
 Exactly what I mean!
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				| 116. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:39 pm |  
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	Quote Duda : Pride or prejudice, that is the question...  
 
 ...Hehehe ..thought the question was ...'To be or not to be'...
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				| 117. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:41 pm |  
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	Those who read both books will recognize my paraphraze anyway... Maybe I should have written: "Read or not to read"... 		 |  |  
	
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				| 118. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:43 pm |  
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	errrm ....I was joking Duda   |  |  
	
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				| 119. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:48 pm |  
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	 | Quoting reBooped: errrm ....I was joking Duda   | 
 I know.
  But maybe some other people are wondering now... "Which two books?"   |  |  
	
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				| 120. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:50 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: | Quoting reBooped: errrm ....I was joking Duda   | 
 I know.
  But maybe some other people are wondering now... "Which two books?"   | 
 If they are wondering THAT, then they must be your spammers venturing into the Forum arena
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				| 121. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:52 pm |  
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	Not mine... but maybe somebody other's? What do you think?		 |  |  
	
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				| 122. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:53 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: Not mine... but maybe somebody other's? What do you think? | 
 Probably
  !  Offfff I dont like change!  There was a time when spammers knew their place!!! 
 PS Cant believe we missed out Thomas Hardy yesterday
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				| 123. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:54 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: Not mine... but maybe somebody other's? What do you think? | 
 only Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson can solve this problem!!!
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				| 124. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 03:54 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Trudy: | Quoting duda:  In my country we just couldn't finish grammar school without reading ALL classics and the most of contemporary writers... starting from 'Iliad' and 'Odyssey' and finishing with the last winner of Nobel prize...   . | 
 Of course I had to read classical literature for secondary school, but Dutch ones. And Nobel prize winners were not compulsory, they had other measurements: I had to read books from the middle ages, Renaissance, era of Voltaire (don't know the English word), between 1850 - 1940 and after 1940. But all Dutch writers. And Iliad or Odyssey was only when you had Greek lessons, which I didn't.
 
 The books I read then are absolutely not my favourites, I hated reading them!
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 If we were reading only Serbian classics, we would stay handicaped not knowing anything about the treasure of world literature. (Although our own literature is rather capacious, giving the fact it exists from the end 12th century.)
 
 Some pupils didn't like many of the books we had to read, but we've got a habbit of reading QUALITY literature, they made us curious to discover other world classic, not only the ones we had to read. And, as I said before, we were proud to discuss good books with our friends, instead of other kinds of entairtenmant.
 
 It was not easy every time to read the book you didn't want to read, but later we never regreted! This became a part of our common culture.
 
 The same thing with learning foreign languages: I was desperate when I had to learn Russian in school. But now, after reading most of mastepieces of Russian literature in original, I would never change Russian for any other language in the world!
 
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				| 125. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 04:02 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: 
 It was not easy every time to read the book you didn't want to read, but later we never regreted! This became a part of our common culture.
 
 
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 You had the point!
   
 And we wrote essays and newspaper articles too. Though I admit that many of our schools didn't stimulate rhetorics. Anyway, I know only a few people who don't love reading.
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				| 126. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 04:07 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: | Quoting slavica: 
 It was not easy every time to read the book you didn't want to read, but later we never regreted! This became a part of our common culture.
 
 
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 You had the point!
   
 And we wrote essays and newspaper articles too. Though I admit that many of our schools didn't stimulate rhetorics. Anyway, I know only a few people who don't love reading.
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 Totatlly true... i remember the times that i was reading the first book - Fellowship of the Ring- of Lord of the Rings, Tolkien was just describing a garden in just 40 pages or more... i got really bored... while passing those parts... but after finishing the book.. you are just king of the world, you have the ring to carry to Gondor!
 
 Reading book is really important... whatever you are going to do... to get a viewpoint, to get vocabulary for writing and a style of speech maybe or writing style...
 We have to read...
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				| 127. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 04:17 pm |  
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	 | Quoting SuiGeneris: 
Reading book is really important... whatever you are going to do... to get a viewpoint, to get vocabulary for writing and a style of speech maybe or writing style...
 We have to read...
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 EXACTLY!
 
 Taking care, of course, of WHAT do we read. Reading Dostoyevski and reading Daniela Still could never be the same
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				| 128. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 04:23 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: EXACTLY! 
 Taking care, of course, of WHAT do we read. Reading Dostoyevski and reading Daniela Still could never be the same
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 I dont know - even reading Danielle Steele is better than not reading at all!  At least it develops a reading habit!
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				| 129. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 04:37 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: | Quoting SuiGeneris: 
Reading book is really important... whatever you are going to do... to get a viewpoint, to get vocabulary for writing and a style of speech maybe or writing style...
 We have to read...
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 EXACTLY!
 
 Taking care, of course, of WHAT do we read. Reading Dostoyevski and reading Daniela Still could never be the same
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 you have to read them aswell, to understand the difference between them aswell...
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				| 130. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 04:44 pm |  
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	 | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting slavica: | Quoting SuiGeneris: 
Reading book is really important... whatever you are going to do... to get a viewpoint, to get vocabulary for writing and a style of speech maybe or writing style...
 We have to read...
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 EXACTLY!
 
 Taking care, of course, of WHAT do we read. Reading Dostoyevski and reading Daniela Still could never be the same
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 you have to read them aswell, to understand the difference between them aswell...
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 OK...  maybe one or two, just to see difference
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				| 131. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 05:00 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting slavica: EXACTLY! 
 Taking care, of course, of WHAT do we read. Reading Dostoyevski and reading Daniela Still could never be the same
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 I dont know - even reading Danielle Steele is better than not reading at all!  At least it develops a reading habit!
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 I agree -it is better to read anything than nothing... there should be no 'snobbery' attached to book selections - we all have different 'tastes'
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				| 132. | 19 Feb 2007 Mon 11:50 pm |  
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	As Slavica said, Reading book is really important... 
He who reads literature, enjoys arts, is a well-mannered,  cultured and good person, according to scientists..
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				| 133. | 20 Feb 2007 Tue 05:06 am |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: | Quoting Dilara: 
7 Veinte Poemas de amor y una canción desesperada (Pablo Neruda) - chilean poet-
 
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 It would be No. 1 on my list if we didn't talk of novels
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 Really?? I am glad you like Pablo Neruda as well ! but Chilean people has not actually realized HOW important he is in the Poetry Field all over the world!   =(
 According to me , however, the english translation of his poems are not very accurate , I just "feel" the real meaning of his words in spanish...well actually poetry is so hard to translate dont you think?
 No matter how many times I read poem XX , I feel the same excitement and emotion! as we would say in spanish (I cant find the english words now ) ¡ Siento un nudo en la garganta !
 His poetry is eternal to me ...
   Dilara
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				| 134. | 20 Feb 2007 Tue 09:45 pm |  
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	 | Quoting Dilara: | Quoting slavica: | Quoting Dilara: 
7 Veinte Poemas de amor y una canción desesperada (Pablo Neruda) - chilean poet-
 
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 It would be No. 1 on my list if we didn't talk of novels
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 Really?? I am glad you like Pablo Neruda as well ! but Chilean people has not actually realized HOW important he is in the Poetry Field all over the world!   =(
 According to me , however, the english translation of his poems are not very accurate , I just 'feel' the real meaning of his words in spanish...well actually poetry is so hard to translate dont you think?
 No matter how many times I read poem XX , I feel the same excitement and emotion! as we would say in spanish (I cant find the english words now ) ¡ Siento un nudo en la garganta !
 His poetry is eternal to me ...
   Dilara
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 Yes, Dilara, I am a big Pablo Neruda lover and I’m sure I share opinnion of all poetry lovers conceiving him one of the greatest world poets. His poems are real masterpieces and there is no anthology of love poetry without at least his poem XX (I Can Write the Saddest Poem Tonight). I just LOVE this poem and, as you said, no matter how many times I read it, I feel the same excitement. Unfortunately, I don’t understand Spanish, so I can only imagine how wonderful it sounds on it original language!
 
 We have a topic about  Pablo Neruda  at Turkish Class which is – what a shame! – lost among General/Off topic after cleaning Poetry Forums of non-Turkish poetry. Now, not having proper moderators, we have masterpieces of our members in Poetry and Literature Category and great Pablo Neruda in Off topics
   
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				| 135. | 20 Feb 2007 Tue 09:47 pm |  
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	 | Quoting reBooped: | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting slavica: EXACTLY! 
 Taking care, of course, of WHAT do we read. Reading Dostoyevski and reading Daniela Still could never be the same
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 I dont know - even reading Danielle Steele is better than not reading at all!  At least it develops a reading habit!
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 I agree -it is better to read anything than nothing... there should be no 'snobbery' attached to book selections - we all have different 'tastes'
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 With full respect for everyone’s taste, I can’t agree that it is better to read anything than nothing. Maybe Danielle Steele is not a good example, but there are so many books with no message, no meaning, books having just a bad influence to the reader, that it is bettter to read nothing than read them.
 
 And it has nothing with „snoberry“ and „tastes“, but with the quality of the literature.
 
 Just as food: tastes are different, yes, but some kinds of food are just not healthy... (quoting Duda
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				| 136. | 20 Feb 2007 Tue 10:07 pm |  
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	Haha! We will have to agree to disagree, Slavica.  I believe reading is a habit which needs to be acquired and the more you read, the more likely you are to gravitate to the classics.
 Personally, I would rather see a child reading an "unworthy" book than playing a computer game...
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				| 137. | 20 Feb 2007 Tue 10:16 pm |  
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	Thank you Slavica! I cant believe Pablo Neruda is in "off topic" either! what other latin poets do you know or like?
Thank you for the link I will post more unknown information about Pablo Neruda and my personal translations of his poems  on the thread dedicated to him which , I hope , one turkish native speaker can translate  into turkish because I found several mistakes in the english translations.
 You know for me being Chilean, It is a pleasure to see people from all over the world loving him who was born in a remote country like Chile!!
   Dilara
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				| 138. | 21 Feb 2007 Wed 12:43 am |  
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	 | Quote: Quote Slavica
 And it has nothing with „snoberry“ and „tastes“, but with the quality of the literature.
 
 Just as food: tastes are different, yes, but some kinds of food are just not healthy... (quoting Duda
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 You and I shall have to agree to differ on this - reading is essential for all and is not just about quality of literature.  For a non-reader the classics could seem very 'heavy' going and would put off many - whereas starting to read anything hopefully will develop a reading habit.  Once someone starts to read for enjoyment, I believe that in time they will expand the kinds of books read - and probably 'progress'onto the classics.
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				| 139. | 21 Feb 2007 Wed 02:32 am |  
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	 | Quoting Dilara:  what other latin poets do you know or like?
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 Gabriela Mistral, Borges, Octavio Paz... but I’m sure there are more valuable, but not very well known Latin American authors. Maybe you could introduce us to their works, Dilara, in a special topic, what do you say?
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				| 140. | 21 Feb 2007 Wed 07:35 am |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: Haha! We will have to agree to disagree, Slavica.  I believe reading is a habit which needs to be acquired and the more you read, the more likely you are to gravitate to the classics.
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You and I shall have to agree to differ on this - reading is essential for all and is not just about quality of literature.  For a non-reader the classics could seem very 'heavy' going and would put off many - whereas starting to read anything hopefully will develop a reading habit.  Once someone starts to read for enjoyment, I believe that in time they will expand the kinds of books read - and probably 'progress'onto the classics.
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 Come on, girls! I don’t insist on classics at all and I have absolutely nothing against reading for enjoyment. There are many valuable works among non-classic literature. But if you still insist that it is better to read ANYTHING  than nothing – then I agree to disagree
  What’s wrong in having different oppinions? 
 
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Personally, I would rather see a child reading an 'unworthy' book than playing a computer game...
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 Haha... absolutely agree! Except if the book is „How to kill your parents and live happily“
   
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				| 141. | 21 Feb 2007 Wed 10:14 am |  
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	 | Quoting slavica:  What’s wrong in having different oppinions? 
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				| 142. | 21 Feb 2007 Wed 02:58 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: 
 
 
 Come on, girls! I don’t insist on classics at all and I have absolutely nothing against reading for enjoyment. There are many valuable works among non-classic literature. But if you still insist that it is better to read ANYTHING  than nothing – then I agree to disagree
  What’s wrong in having different oppinions? 
 
 That was my point, there is aboslutely nothing wrong with having differing opinions ~ that is where we agree
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				| 143. | 21 Feb 2007 Wed 03:28 pm |  
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	 | Quoting duda: 
P.S. Elisa, suppose you recommend "The Parfume"? I saw it (translated! alas!) here and from the very start I have a feeling it's something worth reading. Can you compare it to something? I would like to hear somebody's personal impressions, for I don't like to read "noncertified" books.
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 I adored the book when I first read it 10 years ago. You can't compare it to any other book. At least I can't. So Duda, go get it. Im sure you won't regret it.
 BUT!!! DO NOT watch the movie afterwards! Trust me, I know what Im saying :-S
 
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				| 144. | 21 Feb 2007 Wed 04:41 pm |  
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	The Perfume by Patrick Suskind- a book definitely worth reading....
 Can you imagine a world entirely made of perfumes, smells, fragrances? Can you imagine a man who knows life ony by smelling it? do you know each person has an unique smell, a smell than can make him/her anonimous or irresistible?
 Once upon a time there was a man who discovered an evanescent perfume that he wanted to control: the perfume of young woman.....
 
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				| 145. | 22 Feb 2007 Thu 12:17 am |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: 
Slavica!!
 
 I am surprised at you!
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				| 146. | 22 Feb 2007 Thu 06:06 am |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: | Quoting Dilara:  what other latin poets do you know or like?
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 Gabriela Mistral, Borges, Octavio Paz... but I’m sure there are more valuable, but not very well known Latin American authors. Maybe you could introduce us to their works, Dilara, in a special topic, what do you say?
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 It's great you know Gabriela Mistral! I would also recommend you Gustavo Adolfo Bécquer , Juana de Ibarbourou (Uruguayan, romantic poetry) and Vicente Huidobro(Chilean)
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				| 147. | 22 Feb 2007 Thu 08:26 am |  
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	Mine are:
1. Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkien
 2. Memoirs of a Geisha - Arthur Golden
 3. Wild Swans - Jung Chang
 4. Middlesex - Jeffrey Eugenides
 5. Le Petit Prince - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
 6. Djiin - Alain Robbe-Grillet
 7. The Alchemist - Paulo Coelho
 8. The Power of One - Bryce Courtenay
 9. Die Verwandlung (The Metamorphosis) - Kafka
 10. Furcht und Elend des Dritten Reiches (Fear and Misery of the Third Reich) - Bertolt Brecht
 11. Not without my Daughter - Betty Mahmoody
 12. To Kill a Mockingbird - Harper Lee
 13. The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown
 14. Of Mice and Men - John Steinbeck
 15. War and Peace - Tolstoy
 
 Honourable Mention: Interview with the Vampire - Anne Rice (I couldn't fit it onto the list)
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				| 148. | 22 Feb 2007 Thu 09:20 am |  
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				| 149. | 22 Feb 2007 Thu 12:03 pm |  
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	 | Quoting nautilis: küçük prens,QUOTE]
 i luv that book..i adoe it though its a childen book...its so philosophical and so touching
 
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				| 150. | 22 Feb 2007 Thu 12:11 pm |  
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	 | Quoting slavica: | Quoting aenigma x: 
Slavica!!
 
 I am surprised at you!
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 Actually, I’m (nicely) surprised that some members, who generally don’t leave any topic without their comment, didn’t take part in this discussion
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				| 151. | 22 Feb 2007 Thu 12:31 pm |  
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	Rereading this topic, I find myself surprised by something else: no Italian writers (except Elsa Morante, but it was me who mentioned her), no Polish, no Czech and Slovakian writers (may I add Karel Czapek as one of the best East-European writers?), no Nordian or Dane writers, etc, and the biggest gap - very small percent of Russian (or Ex-Russian) writers) - and the Russian literature is world for itself - not world but cosmos! 
 It seems the literature has become susceptible to fashions and interests of publishers & booksellers, turning itself to an industry of entertainment. And as long as the people are reading Lesley Pearses and James Patersons... the good literature stays forgotten.
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				| 153. | 27 Feb 2007 Tue 06:36 pm |  
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	I don't think I have read 15 fictional books in my entire life......in fact I know I haven't!!!  I generally only read text books   |  |  
	
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				| 154. | 27 Feb 2007 Tue 06:38 pm |  
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	 | Quoting bod: I don't think I have read 15 fictional books in my entire life......in fact I know I haven't!!!  I generally only read text books  | 
 That would suggest a lack of imagination - which I KNOW to be untrue
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				| 155. | 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:10 pm |  
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	 | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting bod: I don't think I have read 15 fictional books in my entire life......in fact I know I haven't!!!  I generally only read text books  | 
 That would suggest a lack of imagination - which I KNOW to be untrue
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 But I have never been one to follow what is suggested
   I am the oxymoronical archetypal recalcitrant individual
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				| 156. | 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:19 pm |  
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	 | Quoting bod: | Quoting aenigma x: | Quoting bod: I don't think I have read 15 fictional books in my entire life......in fact I know I haven't!!!  I generally only read text books  | 
 That would suggest a lack of imagination - which I KNOW to be untrue
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 But I have never been one to follow what is suggested
   I am the oxymoronical archetypal recalcitrant individual
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				| 157. | 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:26 pm |  
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	 | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting bod: I am the oxymoronical archetypal recalcitrant individual  | 
 does this mean that you are clinical too?
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				| 158. | 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:29 pm |  
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	 | Quoting bod: | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting bod: I am the oxymoronical archetypal recalcitrant individual  | 
 does this mean that you are clinical too?
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 There's your English test Sui.....
 
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				| 159. | 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:38 pm |  
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	 | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting bod: | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting bod: I am the oxymoronical archetypal recalcitrant individual  | 
 does this mean that you are clinical too?
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 There's your English test Sui.....
 
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but you got what i meant
   
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 Evet!
 But did you get what I meant
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				| 160. | 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:41 pm |  
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	 | Quoting bod: | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting bod: | Quoting SuiGeneris: | Quoting bod: I am the oxymoronical archetypal recalcitrant individual  | 
 does this mean that you are clinical too?
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 There's your English test Sui.....
 
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but you got what i meant
   
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 Evet!
 But did you get what I meant
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 thats why i called 911 after looking at dictionary
   dont worry i told nurses that you are harmless
   they will be polite
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				| 162. | 29 Sep 2007 Sat 06:18 pm |  
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	Heinrich Boll - The Clown
Michel Tournier - Friday
 Herman Hesse - The Glass Bead Game
 Jonathan Swift - Gulliver's Travels
 Mario Vargas Llosa - The Storyteller
 Lucius Apuleius Platonicus - The Golden Ass (Apuleius Asinus
  ) Gustave Flaubert - Madame Bovary
 Victor Hugo -  The Man Who Laughs
 Milán Füst -  The Story of My Wife
 John Fowles - The Magician
 Umberto Eco - The Foucalt Pendulum
 George Orwell - 1984
 Henri Stendhal - On Love (essay, not novel
  ) Martin Buber - Gog and Magog - A Chronicle
 Gabriel Garcia Marquez - 100 Years of Solitude
 
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