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English to Turkish. a few short lines i would like help with
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80.       KeithL
1455 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 05:50 pm

I don't know this girl. Whether she acted responsibly or not is not for me to judge. To anyone who finds joy in ridiculing this girl, I pity you more than I pity her....

81.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 05:58 pm

Quoting KeithL:

I don't know this girl. Whether she acted responsibly or not is not for me to judge. To anyone who finds joy in ridiculing this girl, I pity you more than I pity her....



Keith, I think your judgement on people who have commented on this matter is a bit harsh. I think that the social implications of this young women's situation touch on many things and people have strong feelings about it. This isn't something that happens once in a while..it happens very often in modern society and I can't speak for everyone but I struggle to understand how people can get themselves into this situation.

82.       libralady
5152 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 06:03 pm

Quoting KeithL:

So when any member of society shows their vulnerabity in public, good to know that you live in a society where you think its OK to public humiliate them. Does this make you feel superior somehow?
Enjoying the common drama that goes on with a holiday romance is one thing. Shaming a pregnant woman is quite another. I'm shocked Elizabeth. I really am. This may be the most disgusting abuse of an individual I have ever seen at TLC. Any person with an ounce of self-asteem or compassion would never have acted in this way. You should all be ashamed of yourselves...



Keith I agree with you whole heartedly and in the UK there are laws about this sort of treatment of people. I read this post gob smacked and dumb founded. I dont know what else to say.

83.       yazmin_cita
196 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 01:22 am

Quoting KeithL:

So when any member of society shows their vulnerabity in public, good to know that you live in a society where you think its OK to public humiliate them. Does this make you feel superior somehow?
Enjoying the common drama that goes on with a holiday romance is one thing. Shaming a pregnant woman is quite another. I'm shocked Elizabeth. I really am. This may be the most disgusting abuse of an individual I have ever seen at TLC. Any person with an ounce of self-asteem or compassion would never have acted in this way. You should all be ashamed of yourselves...



thank you and I agree so much with you Keith... like i've said before I love to read the translations for most of them are about love but sometimes I find posts like this one where people don't translate but judge and abuse others. These is translation post and if people would like to help translate they can do that and if they read a post they don't like, they have the freedom to move on to the next one. Stay out of people's business..

84.       yazmin_cita
196 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 01:26 am

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting KeithL:

I don't know this girl. Whether she acted responsibly or not is not for me to judge. To anyone who finds joy in ridiculing this girl, I pity you more than I pity her....



Keith, I think your judgement on people who have commented on this matter is a bit harsh. I think that the social implications of this young women's situation touch on many things and people have strong feelings about it. This isn't something that happens once in a while..it happens very often in modern society and I can't speak for everyone but I struggle to understand how people can get themselves into this situation.



Elizabeth... you are saying Keith judgement is HARSH?!!!! did you read the other posts from the beginning??? THAT IS HARSH. Nobody knows this lady and I am sure you all Judgemental people are free of sin???????

85.       portokal
2516 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 02:05 am

Quoting yazmin_cita:


did you read the other posts from the beginning??? THAT IS HARSH. Nobody knows this lady and I am sure you all



Nobody knows this lady. Maybe. But what is she writing?
i did not read all the posts here, but, if you read the initial post:

Quoting PamCoop:


You are so cute / sweet


this is shurely a statement to make -if preferred as statement- to a new aquintance, whom you're interested in, not the father of your future child together. This continues with:

Quoting PamCoop:


Even if you don’t love me please love our baby



which practically could mean her self-sacrifice towards the life she hosts. I do not think these kind of 'sacrifices', which mean a love transfer do good to a relationship and ESPECIALLY to the child, the new member to enter a potential family. Agaves (majestuous) are a plant specia, the plant gives up all the seva and supplies accumulated when flourishing. But it does it one time through it's lifetime, than dies. Now why should she be loved for the sake of her child? Or bill out her happiness? will that assure her a deep relationship, which again, will reflect on the child? i strongly doubt!

And here comes the end:

Quoting PamCoop:


How was your birthday?


What logic and connection is between the former phrase and this last sentence here? This is but an emotional turn-over. Can you see any logic? The only one i can is called sweet-talking a guy. Honeyyy, cutie-pie, love my baby darling, you know i want everything that you like, how was your birthday?

Now re-read:

Quoting PamCoop:


You are so cute / sweet
Even if you don’t love me please love our baby
How was your birthday?



Then read it like this:

Quoting PamCoop:


You are so cute / sweet
That ice-cream we ate together was incredibly tasty.
How was your birthday?


Now why does it make much more sense like this? Because it has! (i must admit i was rhetorical here )))))

And to answer your question:

Quoting yazmin_cita:


Judgemental people are free of sin???????


Nope, they are not. Rarely you will find a person without sins, and if you find, they will be most probably in a religious connection. But judging exists for a long time.It expresses values, concepts, beliefs. Merely saying what you said above is a sin of rethorical overdose instead of making a clear statement.

86.       portokal
2516 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 02:46 am

Referring to women that ridiculize Pam, as it was said here above-i personally find no content whatsoever in ridiculising her situation. Or any situation like this.
I just wonder though if attitudes like Pam's are not ridiculizing women-hood?

87.       Dilara
1153 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 02:59 am

Quoting PamCoop:

This is hard, I wish I could be with you

Im sad I cant come to you this month


I just felt him (the baby) moving, he moves a lot now days...


Do you miss me?


How much?


I need to be with you in April, I can’t do it myself(referring to the birth)


Im so scared


When will you come to msn the next time?


It’s very hard for me because I need you so much


You are so cute / sweet


Even if you don’t love me please love our baby


how was your birthday?



Well, her situation is sad...I didnt want to give my opinion because I have mixed feelings , by reading this I see her as a person who is begging for love...I think she must have a low self-esteem to do this , I would never write something like that to a man , much less if he left me being PREGNANT and even after all of this , one line says " You are so cute / sweet "
I was in shock after reading that line!!!!!!! ...sweet a man who left you in this situation and doesnt care for the way you feel?...

Please , dont beg anymore, go on with your life I am sure you are a strong woman , take care of your baby which is the most important, take care of yourself and maybe you think that what you shared with this man was love, maybe you think you still love him because of the baby but if he made you go through all of this...do you still think this man deserves to be loved? ... the answer is quite obvious.
Good luck Pam!

88.       portokal
2516 posts
 03 Nov 2007 Sat 12:19 am

Quoting Dilara:

Quoting PamCoop:

This is hard, I wish I could be with you

Im sad I cant come to you this month


I just felt him (the baby) moving, he moves a lot now days...


Do you miss me?


How much?


I need to be with you in April, I can’t do it myself(referring to the birth)


Im so scared


When will you come to msn the next time?


It’s very hard for me because I need you so much


You are so cute / sweet


Even if you don’t love me please love our baby


how was your birthday?



Well, her situation is sad...I didnt want to give my opinion because I have mixed feelings , by reading this I see her as a person who is begging for love...I think she must have a low self-esteem to do this , I would never write something like that to a man , much less if he left me being PREGNANT and even after all of this , one line says " You are so cute / sweet "
I was in shock after reading that line!!!!!!! ...sweet a man who left you in this situation and doesnt care for the way you feel?...

Please , dont beg anymore, go on with your life I am sure you are a strong woman , take care of your baby which is the most important, take care of yourself and maybe you think that what you shared with this man was love, maybe you think you still love him because of the baby but if he made you go through all of this...do you still think this man deserves to be loved? ... the answer is quite obvious.
Good luck Pam!
my feelings are also mixed. begging after a night stand?

89.       xkirstyx
363 posts
 03 Nov 2007 Sat 12:34 am

For your information...not that it is any of your business... The sentances she has asked here for translation are not all for the one message. She asks for sentances to be translated that she would like to say to him, not in the one message. As for saying you are cute/sweet...I say that to my husband all time, he is the father of my child..what is ridiculous about it? And the guy didn't leave her, you know NOTHING of their relationship. So many of you think you know all about her situation and relationship because of a few lines she has asked for translation, then put 2& 2 together , and come up with 5! You dont know about it, she's not asking for opinions, and some of the opinions that are coming out are so judgemental, and closed-minded its ridiculous. Mind your own business.

90.       Dilara
1153 posts
 03 Nov 2007 Sat 12:48 am

I am sorry but SINCE WHEN do I have to ask for permission to post my opinion here? you,xkirstyx , put 2 and 2 together and realize that you are in a public forum...
Secondly : If you expose your case , such a private thing like this, IN A PUBLIC FORUM , you must be aware of the fact that people might start to give their opinions about this if you dont want this, then send a PM to kind members here and as someone says , save us the drama...
To finish , I wish nothing but good luck to her if you re-read my post (which you should do )
Thank you.

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