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Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!
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| 530. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 01:14 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
but it makes ME feel like you are being selfish. |
Yes, it seems I am selfish. I am aware of this. But she hasn't given me any chance (not) to do anything differently; she doesn't allow me. I put myself in place of her, trying to understand her feelings/thoughts. What would I do or think or feel if I were in place of her? One point I am very sure about is that I would certainly allow him (namely "me") to explain things and/or himself even if I don't forgive him (namely "me"). I am sure about this point. Maybe apart from this point, I, too, would completely act/feel/think/do the way she does.
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| 531. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 01:16 am |
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Uhmmmm........... So now God is a woman and there was me thinking that he was a big fat man, a bit like Pavarotti with a big white beard and lives in the clouds :-S (cuckoo, cuckoo!!)
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| 532. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 01:19 am |
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Unfortunately that's human relationships for you. She has no obligation to listen to you. Whatever it is that you have done, she has no obligation to talk to you ever again. You WANT her to, of course, because you are sad you lost a good friend, but there is NOTHING you can do MAKE her renew that friendship.
If you want my honest advice, it would be to leave her alone. Completely alone! Give her peace. Also, my advice is to forgive yourself and move on. The irony is, you will stand more chance of a future friendship from taking this action, than you will by calling yourself names and begging her to talk to you.
Iyi geceler 
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| 533. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 01:25 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Unfortunately that's human relationships for you. She has no obligation to listen to you. Whatever it is that you have done, she has no obligation to talk to you ever again. |
Please don't put the "obligation"-thing into the matter. We are talking about no-one's obligations here, including mine. That's completely different point.
Neyse, iyi geceler sana da.
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| 534. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 01:25 am |
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Quoting pagliaccio: Quoting AEnigma III:
but it makes ME feel like you are being selfish. |
Yes, it seems I am selfish. I am aware of this. But she hasn't given me any chance (not) to do anything differently; she doesn't allow me. I put myself in place of her, trying to understand her feelings/thoughts. What would I do or think or feel if I were in place of her? One point I am very sure about is that I would certainly allow him (namely "me") to explain things and/or himself even if I don't forgive him (namely "me"). I am sure about this point. Maybe apart from this point, I, too, would completely act/feel/think/do the way she does. |
just a personal opinion... no offence, there are no buts... and if you disagree with her not allowing you to explain, to act differently, then you two have already a point of disagreement... And if she reads it, would she have the time to react now? Maybe no, because you are constantly reacting. Are you prepared for her reaction? If so, that means allowing her to react (even if it means a non-reaction). Probably she already got your message by now. It might be not that you doubt yourself, your faith, and character, but from a point on you risk to doubt her... it is complicated to give advice... maybe she read this and... if not, then maybe you, after a time, you... good fortune!
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| 535. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 01:32 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: If you want my honest advice, it would be to leave her alone. Completely alone! Give her peace. Also, my advice is to forgive yourself and move on. The irony is, you will stand more chance of a future friendship from taking this action, than you will by calling yourself names and begging her to talk to you.
Iyi geceler |
So what was your comment on the most important part of my post pagli?
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| 536. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 01:40 am |
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I will give a reply in the morrning. Right now my mind is stopping to operate.
Anyway, good night.
Edit: I just saw yours Aenigma. So, I will five you both a reply in the morning.
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| 537. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 01:58 am |
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Where is qdemir ?!
30 days has been over i guess...,right ?!
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| 538. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 11:16 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AEnigma III: If you want my honest advice, it would be to leave her alone. Completely alone! Give her peace. Also, my advice is to forgive yourself and move on. The irony is, you will stand more chance of a future friendship from taking this action, than you will by calling yourself names and begging her to talk to you.
Iyi geceler |
So what was your comment on the most important part of my post pagli? |
No doubt, what you said cannot be denied and are so true. But again saying these and becoming a part of these are different. I would say similar things for someone else who committed the same sin as mine. I mean, you are absolutely right. Furthermore, she herself, too, asked me to leave her alone several times. But again again again - To say "leave me alone" is the easiest thing for the speaker and hardest thing for the sinful person to carry out! Because here who deeply suffers and feels great/unbearable pain is exclusively the one who committed the sin, and strangely enough, who is expected to leave her alone.
So, how would you explain what I have done around here? You would explain my behaviours/actions as "disturbing her"? "Not leaving her intentionally"? Is it "disturbing her" or "not leaving her alone" that pushes me to despise myself and insult myself in front of everyone around here? Why have I spent a lot of time here by despising and insulting myself and begging her to forgive while I can in principle do different and useful things for myself such as learning one more new english word for my job? Why? Because I want to disturb her? Because I think I can win back her trust and respect by disturbing her and not leaving her alone?
Another point - why do I wish confess my sin to everyone while I, as a sinful person, would be supposed to avoid this? It must be me who doesn't want my sin to be known by anyone, musnt't it? And It musn't be me who confesses his sin to people, must it? There are tons of people who committed the same sin as mine but who act and continue to live as if they didn't commit any sin, as if they did nothing; why do I not simply act and continue to live my life like they do?
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| 539. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 01:38 pm |
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Either you believe. Or not. Either you are forgiven. Or not.
Deal with it.
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| 540. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 06:11 pm |
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Oh my! What happened to my last two posts? 
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