Oeince,

Do not exaggerate. Nobody insulted Alameda. She was merely provoked. However, Alameda being provoked did swear at people she was discussing with. An apology is needed.

 I was curious about the variations of the age of consent and was amazed to find this....

The age of consent 

In the twelfth century Gratian, who was the influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than seven. There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than seven, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of two and three year olds.

The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only nine when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17 century) made it clear that "the marriage of girls under twelve was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband´s estate was nine even though her husband be only four years old."

Reliable data for when people used to marry is very difficult to find. In England for example, the only reliable data on age at marriage in the early modern period comes from records which involved only those who left property after their death. Not only were the records relatively rare, but not all bothered to record the participants´ ages, and it seemed that the more complete the records are, the more likely they are to reveal young marriages. Additionally, twentieth and twenty-first centuries´ historians have sometimes shown reluctance to accept data regarding young ages of marriage, and would instead explain the data away as a misreading by a later copier of the records.

 Dear Lemon....I did not swear at anyone....I used **** which allowed people to fill in the * with whatever came to their minds.

I was insulted by both DD and theH. Being called a supporter of backwards, barbaric and primitive traditions I feel is an insult. It would be hard to think anyone would not feel such comments anything but insulting.

It was not nice the way alameda was forced to involve in this thread.

Saying "You said this and that in the past and now you are gonna come here and say the same things." is just a provocation.

There´s a difference between provocation and insult. How can stating the truth be an insult? That is beyond me!

Am I going to insult Alameda saying that the age of consent was already discussed in TC? And the fact that medieval Europe or America in 18th century allowed it, does not justify what happens in modern day? Remember the loud divorce of a 10-year-old in Yemen (although here are efforts to change it), do you believe girls of 9 are being married and have sex in many countries in the Gulf Zone?

I wanted to draw your attention to the fact that some of them maybe do not disagree. Should we then just ignore the phenomenon? Should we believe that if they agree it´s ok? i think there are laws in Europe making sex with an underage person a crime, even if the person consented. Of course, there are guys like Polanski that escape jurisdiction...

Why do I have the feeling that some TC users, especially those who like the Arab way, do not want to discuss ideas but keep shouting about being treated badly? Could it be because the ideas cannot be defended by any logically thinking person?

Still insisting that ´you are being insulted?´

We keep explaining to you

"There are some ideas

Some of those ideas I PERSONALLY CALL BACKWARDS!!!

AND YOU SUPPORT THOSE IDEAS WHICH I CALL BACKWARDS!!!!

I have right to call those ideas as ´backward´

You have right to call those ideas as ´not backwards´ "

There is no insult!! I am not going to stop calling them backwards because you support them. why do I need to?

And as far as **** are concerned, I think it is quite rude..

You have no idea, what people can say to you with the **** only.

I think it was unfair to name somebody who wasn´t in the thread at all. Getting personal is one thing, getting personal with somebody who isn´t even in the thread is an insult in my opinion. But you know what? I doesn´t really matter that much, does it? I think what matters WAYYYY more is the fact that CHILDREN are being forced to marry somebody. Why are we doing this backwards he said-she said thing here? It´s a disgrace.

Alameda,

Lets talk clear. We are not talking about medieval Europe nor Asia (including medieval middle east).

Shall I send you back to the initial post?

Alameda, why do you keep doing this? throwing the ball into the opposite corner. Why?

If you really have nothing to say about the topic (see the initial post), just stay away, pls.

What kind of age consent you are talking about? A consent from whom? From a girl (child), from parents, from law?

Be objective, Alameda, be objective, pls.

as I posted earlier:

Here are a few things I found for Turkish laws:

The legal age of majority is eighteen (18) years.

The legal age of consent for marriage is seventeen (17) years for male persons and fifteen (15) for female persons.

There is not precisely a legal age of consent for sexual activity.

Compared to Canadian law:

The legal age of majorety varies from one province to another from the age of 17 to 19, but the most part it is 18

The legal age of consent for mariage is 18 for both parties, if either party is younger than 18, the written authorisation from both parents is required.

The age of consent for sexual activity is 16 years . It was raised from 14 years on May , 2008.

For the last part a 16 year old girl can have sexual relations with a boy as long as this boy is less than 5 years older than her, if he is older than 5 years he is charged with statutory rape and the same is true for a boy.  There is also an exception for 12 to 13 year olds, the age diffrence must be less than 2 years older than him or herself.

This is the type of information that girls and boys need to know and if more adults were aware that prison terms can be given and are applied then maybe people would think twice before deciding to marry off their daughters at the tender age of 12.

If someone said this about me I wouldnt take an offence just because someone stated an opinion about me. Why? Because I am an adult and I can deal things like an adult.

Alameda did say things in the past and most of us know what beliefs and opinions she holds to. If DD or I give an opinion based on the posts in the past we know what we say because we personally took in many debates.

I keep to what I said: Alameda was not insulted but merely provoked.

However, it is some people´s here habbit or hobby to get offended and insulted by everything said and discussed. Really, just like a child.

BTW, Si--, thank you for your thread. Although Im curious of your own input on this never dying ever flaming problem. What kind of solutions do you see?

Stumpy,

Dont you see the laws and regulations have no power? If it did half of the eastern Turkey would be in jail, right?