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01 Aug 2007 Wed 10:30 pm |
is it true when you get engaged in turkey you wear the ring on your right hand
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01 Aug 2007 Wed 10:35 pm |
yes...
Isn't it something global?
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01 Aug 2007 Wed 10:37 pm |
it is the left hand in england,for both rings
I was told in turkey the engaement ring goes on right hand and wedding ring goes on left ????
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01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:00 pm |
Quoting sasi: it is the left hand in england,for both rings
I was told in turkey the engaement ring goes on right hand and wedding ring goes on left ???? |
That's true.
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01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:05 pm |
I don't think that there is a rule. As an example, many grooms even don't have a ring after the wedding.
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 07:04 pm |
It may not be a rule, but I'm sure they have customs. You mentioned some men don't even wear their's after the wedding. Isn't this a little disrespectful to their wife? Also, does a woman give a man an engagement ring to, just curious?
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 07:10 pm |
well ı was wonderıng thıs too as ı have just got marrıed to my turkısh husband. we have been here two months now and all the younger people where theır weddıng rıngs on theır left hand now. ıts only the older people who stıll keep ıt on theır rıght hand.
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 07:16 pm |
Usually the devoted muslims put their marriage rings on their right hand.
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 07:22 pm |
Quoting mltm: Usually the devoted muslims put their marriage rings on their right hand. |
So if they wear them on their left hand, their not considered a devoted muslim?
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 07:30 pm |
None of the men in my family ever wore wedding rings. It's a recent thing for men to wear wedding rings.
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 07:52 pm |
Listen to sound of logic and history...science shall solve this problem.
1. When a lady and a man walk side by side, they may want to hold handa.
2. For historical reasons a gentlemen always keeps his lady on his right. Mainly because he wears his sword on his left and it may be awkward to keep both the lady and the sword on the same side.
3. Hence, only the left hand of the lady is freely holdable.
4. It is therefore advisable and logical that the lady carries all unnecessary hardware on her right hand,
I leave it to you to figure out which hand of the gentlemen is better to ring..you are now scientificially equipped to solve the mystery.
Thanks to AlphaF...
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 08:01 pm |
Cant hear any wisecracks or objections !
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 08:15 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: Cant hear any wisecracks or objections ! |
You only gave them about 9 minutes just wait!
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 08:19 pm |
Yes, but what if he is left handed. Wouldn't he carry his sword on his right side? Hence, only allowing his left side to be free.:-S
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 08:38 pm |
good observation !
Can you reason out the solution yourself, or do you need help?
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 09:16 pm |
Quoting mltm: Usually the devoted muslims put their marriage rings on their right hand. |
There is a very practical reason for this too. think about it...
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 09:57 pm |
Quoting KeithL: Quoting mltm: Usually the devoted muslims put their marriage rings on their right hand. |
There is a very practical reason for this too. think about it... |
Maybe I chose a wrong word, I don't know if "devoted" is a good word here, but usually the ones who follow the religion quite a lot wear their alliance on the right hand. I don't know how much true it's but the reason for it is because of hygiene. According to İslam cleaning is very important, so after having made your toilet, you clean yourself with your left hand, so...
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:08 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: good observation !
Can you reason out the solution yourself, or do you need help? |
Hmm, let's see. Stay single!
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:09 pm |
Quoting mltm: Quoting KeithL: Quoting mltm: Usually the devoted muslims put their marriage rings on their right hand. |
There is a very practical reason for this too. think about it... |
Maybe I chose a wrong word, I don't know if "devoted" is a good word here, but usually the ones who follow the religion quite a lot wear their alliance on the right hand. I don't know how much true it's but the reason for it is because of hygiene. According to İslam cleaning is very important, so after having made your toilet, you clean yourself with your left hand, so... |
I understand now what your saying. I'm not sure about using the left hand, though.
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:11 pm |
I got engaged recently and wear mine on my right hand even though I am here in England.
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:33 pm |
So men do wear engagement rings? So, then did you ask her to marry you or did she ask you? Sorry, I'm not familiar with men getting engagement rings, I'm just trying to understand.
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:36 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: So men do wear engagement rings? So, then did you ask her to marry you or did she ask you? Sorry, I'm not familiar with men getting engagement rings, I'm just trying to understand. |
Why are not you? Don't men wear any ring where you live?
In Turkey both woman and man wear it, in France it's like this as well.
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:44 pm |
Quoting mltm: Quoting teaschip1: So men do wear engagement rings? So, then did you ask her to marry you or did she ask you? Sorry, I'm not familiar with men getting engagement rings, I'm just trying to understand. |
Why are not you? Don't men wear any ring where you live?
In Turkey both woman and man wear it, in France it's like this as well. |
Men here in the U.S. do not wear engagement rings only wedding rings. When you get engaged, typically it's the man asking the woman and he presents her with an engagement ring, usually this is a diamond ring worn on her left hand. When they get married, he gives her a wedding band and she gives him a wedding band. So, the woman has two rings, the engagement ring and wedding band. The man only has one ring, the wedding band. I just have never heard of two people getting engaged and the man gets an engagement ring.
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02 Aug 2007 Thu 11:21 pm |
i suppose if a woman proposes then the man would get the engagment ring... he would then offer her an engagement ring back so both would have
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 03:21 am |
Quoting teaschip1: I just have never heard of two people getting engaged and the man gets an engagement ring. |
The Wedding ring for men is same as the wedding band there,we just call it Wedding ring.
Men dont get 2 rings,its just one Wedding band,or engagement band.
İ will explain what i know,
When a man and a woman get engaged,they both exchange the wedding bands,and the both wear them on their right hands,so people knows they are engaged.
So you can call them now engagments bands.
And here,woman get the Wedding ring as well,it can be diamond,or gold.
And then when they get married,at the wedding ceremony,they change the bands from the right hands to the left hands.
He change hers,and she change his.
So,they both now wear the wedding bands on the left hands.
As for the devoted Muslims wear the rings,or the bands on the right hands,i never heard of it.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 03:53 am |
Quoting teaschip1: It may not be a rule, but I'm sure they have customs. You mentioned some men don't even wear their's after the wedding. Isn't this a little disrespectful to their wife? Also, does a woman give a man an engagement ring to, just curious? |
why "disrespectful"?
my father doesn't like rings. as far as I know, he never had ring.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 07:34 am |
Quoting mltm: In Turkey both woman and man wear it, in France it's like this as well. |
I really like this idea .
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 07:38 am |
Quoting caliptrix: my father doesn't like rings. as far as I know, he never had ring. |
I don't like them too. In my previous marriage I had one on my left hand when I was out, but the moment I arrived home I took it off (no problem with my ex who disliked them as well - so why we ever bought them, beats me...). So I guess no more engagement or wedding for me?
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 11:31 am |
Quoting Trudy: Quoting caliptrix: my father doesn't like rings. as far as I know, he never had ring. |
I don't like them too. In my previous marriage I had one on my left hand when I was out, but the moment I arrived home I took it off (no problem with my ex who disliked them as well - so why we ever bought them, beats me...). So I guess no more engagement or wedding for me?  |
Same here! I only wear my wedding ring and that is it. My husband never had a ring, we just bought a carpet with the money when we got married. Far more useful. Anyway, in the UK, it is only in the last 20 or so years that men started to wear wedding rings, but still not common.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 11:56 am |
Quoting teaschip1: So men do wear engagement rings? So, then did you ask her to marry you or did she ask you? Sorry, I'm not familiar with men getting engagement rings, I'm just trying to understand. |
Hi teaschip1,
This man wears one I asked Nesrin to marry me yes when I go to Turkey very soon I will ask her again properley. In my situation with me living in England it was very important we both had that commitment I can not see anything wrong with a man wearing an engagement ring, I constantly look at my engagement ring and think about the life I now want with my fiancee. When we chose the rings we got a matching pair engraved with our names in and the date we then had a lovely party to celebrate our engagement.
I think alot of engagements in England are taken too lightly I have known people be engaged many times for me this is not taken seriously, my engagement means something and I still have fond memories of our engagement party.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 01:53 pm |
Quoting CANLI:
As for the devoted Muslims wear the rings,or the bands on the right hands,i never heard of it. |
But it's like this here.
Look at our Islamist prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. He's married for over 25 years, he wears his ring on his right hand although the norm is the left hand.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 02:03 pm |
devout
devoted
two words, similar looking but with different meanings
devout moslems
or devoted muslems ?
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 02:11 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: devout
devoted
two words, similar looking but with different meanings
devout moslems
or devoted muslems ? |
Hopefully whether devout muslims or not, they are all devoted to their wives
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 02:41 pm |
wearing ring at marriage is necessary .... it is evidence of .........
do you know why put the ring on the fourth finger of the left hand ?
it belongs to ancient Greece who believe that there is nervous special passes from this place to the heart directly, and therefore was evidence of the families of the heart or possession of another person.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 03:27 pm |
Quoting mltm: Quoting CANLI:
As for the devoted Muslims wear the rings,or the bands on the right hands,i never heard of it. |
But it's like this here.
Look at our Islamist prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. He's married for over 25 years, he wears his ring on his right hand although the norm is the left hand.
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İs it gold ?!
Or its just my eyes ?
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 03:33 pm |
Merhaba..anyways either devoted Muslim or younger generation they still will get marry.
But according to their culture ,they can have four wives as long as he can provide for them..
So the question is : Which ring should he wear for all his four wives?..Or should he wear all four rings on the left hand?
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 03:43 pm |
lolllll,i guess after he marry 4 wives, he will take off any wedding band he has , and live insane regretting the days he's ever thought of that and done this to himself, lol
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 03:48 pm |
Quoting elham: wearing ring at marriage is necessary .... it is evidence of .........
do you know why put the ring on the fourth finger of the left hand ?
it belongs to ancient Greece who believe that there is nervous special passes from this place to the heart directly, and therefore was evidence of the families of the heart or possession of another person. |
I also happen to agree with you elham. I think it's important as well to wear your wedding ring. I also found this interesting, since I didn't know where the tradition came from.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 03:58 pm |
Quoting Loveprague: Quoting teaschip1: So men do wear engagement rings? So, then did you ask her to marry you or did she ask you? Sorry, I'm not familiar with men getting engagement rings, I'm just trying to understand. |
Hi teaschip1,
This man wears one I asked Nesrin to marry me yes when I go to Turkey very soon I will ask her again properley. In my situation with me living in England it was very important we both had that commitment I can not see anything wrong with a man wearing an engagement ring, I constantly look at my engagement ring and think about the life I now want with my fiancee. When we chose the rings we got a matching pair engraved with our names in and the date we then had a lovely party to celebrate our engagement.
I think alot of engagements in England are taken too lightly I have known people be engaged many times for me this is not taken seriously, my engagement means something and I still have fond memories of our engagement party. |
I also like the idea of men wearing engagement rings. It just isn't a custom here, so I found it interesting. Heck, why not, it's symbolic of their love and committment until they get married. See here when your single, the first thing a woman does when she meets a man that she is interested in, is to look to see if he is wearing a wedding ring. So, that is another reason why I feel it's important. It also sends a message, I am not available. But most important I feel it's symbolic of the love you have for eachother.
I understand there are men and woman who don't like wearing them. But if I were married, I would not be happy if my husband decided not to wear his.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 04:04 pm |
Quoting CANLI: Quoting mltm: Quoting CANLI:
As for the devoted Muslims wear the rings,or the bands on the right hands,i never heard of it. |
But it's like this here.
Look at our Islamist prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. He's married for over 25 years, he wears his ring on his right hand although the norm is the left hand.
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İs it gold ?!
Or its just my eyes ? |
It must be silver.
It is another meaningful! cause to critisize Erdoğan to death as he goes against the norm of wearing the wedding ring.
Shame on you Erdoğan!
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 05:34 pm |
Quoting p88jen: Merhaba..anyways either devoted Muslim or younger generation they still will get marry.
But according to their culture ,they can have four wives as long as he can provide for them..
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Can a woman have four husbands? Not for one minute do i think anyone would. 4 mother -in-law
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 05:37 pm |
Quoting christine: Quoting p88jen: Merhaba..anyways either devoted Muslim or younger generation they still will get marry.
But according to their culture ,they can have four wives as long as he can provide for them..
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Can a woman have four husbands? Not for one minute do i think anyone would. 4 mother -in-law |
Those you push to the balcony and lock the door... But 4 men? Well, if they are all nice, caring, gorgeous, etc. well then..... ehm.... no.
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05 Aug 2007 Sun 02:36 am |
Quoting qdemir: Quoting CANLI: Quoting mltm: Quoting CANLI:
As for the devoted Muslims wear the rings,or the bands on the right hands,i never heard of it. |
But it's like this here.
Look at our Islamist prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. He's married for over 25 years, he wears his ring on his right hand although the norm is the left hand.
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İs it gold ?!
Or its just my eyes ? |
It must be silver.
It is another meaningful! cause to critisize Erdoğan to death as he goes against the norm of wearing the wedding ring.
Shame on you Erdoğan! |
Hey hey qdemir,i didnt critisize the man
He has all my respect,if he wish to wear his wedding ring in his right hand,or left hand its all his business not mine.
İ just asked if its gold or not,because as you know being a Muslim you'men' not allowed to wear gold.
So if its gold,it would make a difference yes.
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05 Aug 2007 Sun 11:59 pm |
There was an ancient belief that a very vital blood vessel ran from the ring finger on the left hand directly to the heart. It was therefore thought appropriate, that a ring that symbolized true love should be worn on the ring finger. The vein was given the name 'vena amori' meaning 'the vein of love'. The Egyptians and Romans believed that, the wedding ring which symbolized eternal love would best be worn on the ring finger of the left hand.
As medical science developed, it became apparent that the ancient belief was wrong and there was really no 'vein of love' that ran from the ring finger on the left hand to the heart! However, the practice of referring to that particular finger as the ring finger has continued to this day.
Besides the strong belief in the vein of love, there is another interesting school of thought that tries to explain why a finger was named as the ring finger. In a Christian wedding, the priest normally says the following four phrases: (i) In the name of the Father. (ii) In the name of the Son. (iii) And of the Holy Ghost. (iv) Amen. As these words are uttered, the ring is moved one finger at a time from the thumb, to the index finger, on to the middle finger and finally moved to (and left) on the ring finger when the fourth phrase 'Amen' is uttered. This finger was therefore called the ring finger according to traditions followed in a Christian wedding.
More interesting info at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_ring
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 01:22 am |
Quoting CANLI:
İ just asked if its gold or not,because as you know being a Muslim you'men' now allowed to wear gold.
So if its gold,it would make a difference yes.
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I don't think RTE would wear gold. It's probably platin which is also more expensive than gold.
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 01:25 am |
Quoting suzieswimz: And of the Holy Ghost. |
Holy Ghost ?!
İsnt it the Holy Spirit ?!
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 01:33 am |
Quoting CANLI: Quoting suzieswimz: And of the Holy Ghost. |
Holy Ghost ?!
İsnt it the Holy Spirit ?! |
ehehehehe,it's very funny
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 01:34 am |
i would think they both the same , all say different things during ceromonys
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 01:41 am |
True?!
Priest says Holy Ghost ?! İn a Church ?!!!
Do you believe there is a Holy Ghost ?!
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 01:58 am |
Quoting CANLI: True?!
Priest says Holy Ghost ?! İn a Church ?!!!
Do you believe there is a Holy Ghost ?! |
hmn dont know , but if there were where was he when i was getting married cause i think it missed me out lol
ah well maybe on the next one it may be there
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 02:36 am |
A marriage and a Ghost ?
İ dont think so lol
better without it
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 02:38 am |
Quoting CANLI: A marriage and a Ghost ?
İ dont think so lol
better without it |
yep so true , just want a good marriage when i next do it or should i say if i do it and with the right one for me
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 02:46 am |
You will inşallah
Knowing what you want is the half way,not easy though
And i guess you know now
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 02:56 am |
Quoting CANLI: Quoting suzieswimz: And of the Holy Ghost. |
Holy Ghost ?!
İsnt it the Holy Spirit ?! |
in the old days they used to say "holy ghost". but now it is more common to say "holy spirit".
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:40 am |
Half (1/2) of my family is Catholic.
I never understood the "holy ghost" or holy spirit.
But my sense it is, it is more un_judgemental part.
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:42 am |
Quoting CANLI: True?!
Priest says Holy Ghost ?! İn a Church ?!!!
Do you believe there is a Holy Ghost ?! |
Here in the Netherlands, at least in catholic churches, they say Holy Ghost meaning Holy Spirit, not a djin! It's just a language thing I guess.
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:58 am |
Quoting longinotti1: Half (1/2) of my family is Catholic.
I never understood the "holy ghost" or holy spirit.
But my sense it is, it is more un_judgemental part.
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the "holy spirit" (or ghost), is part of the "holy trinity" (the father, son and spirit), which is basically supposedly within us (christians i suppose).
i could waffle on about catholicism/christianity, but i won't
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 10:02 am |
Taman Taman, Ok Ok.
I just read this whole thread.
I live in America. In my first marriage, I wore no ring.
The second time, I wore an engagement ring, (for 10 years).
When got married, I didn't know what to do with the first ring, so I moved to my right hand.
, Now I feel so Turkish.
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 10:15 am |
Quoting gezbelle: Quoting CANLI: Quoting suzieswimz: And of the Holy Ghost. |
Holy Ghost ?!
İsnt it the Holy Spirit ?! |
in the old days they used to say "holy ghost". but now it is more common to say "holy spirit". |
Agree, they are the same person, just one is more old-fashioned term.
In Turkish we say Baba, Oğul, ve Kutsal Ruh for the Trinity (Üçlü Birlik).
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09 Aug 2007 Thu 03:40 am |
I know this whole discussion is now old. I really benefitted from this discussion though. My Turkish fiance told me the man gets one too, so I bought him a ring and he bought me one. Unfortunately, his hurt his finger so he traded it in for a not as cool one, I still kind of wonder if he overspent and I ended up paying for part of my own ring. Oh well, either way, it really is a tradition for the man to wear the ring too he wasn't just trying to get a ring out of me!
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09 Aug 2007 Thu 05:44 am |
I'm concerned that you are already questioning the trustworthiness of your fiancee. Honor and integrity are important. You need to be able to trust him completely.
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09 Aug 2007 Thu 09:39 am |
Quoting suzieswimz: I'm concerned that you are already questioning the trustworthiness of your fiancee. Honor and integrity are important. You need to be able to trust him completely. |
I think you are distorting what is occuring. (refer to my post earlier in this thread). If he wants to wear ring, and it appears it was his idea, to signify that he is committed, this a good thing. I am a man. I did it both ways. I think both partners should wear rings. (or neither)
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09 Aug 2007 Thu 09:55 pm |
Quoting suzieswimz: I'm concerned that you are already questioning the trustworthiness of your fiancee. Honor and integrity are important. You need to be able to trust him completely. |
A little more context...
Yes... if I could be as innocent and trusting as I was 10 years ago that would be great. I'm regaining trust in men after I was very misled by someone (and other bad relationships). Men don't wear engagement rings in the U.S. When he asked me for one when I already knew he was low on money, it made me question it (especially when he showed up last time I saw him with a different, not as nice, ring on.) The good news is, everything he has told me thus far is making sense with the new cultural information I am learning here. I am a mental health therapist by profession, so I see unhealthy people/abusive people every day (and that is just the employees! ha ha). Unfortunately, this too has made me a bit cynical after a while. This is way to fairy-tale-like for my comfort, but I LIKE it!
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 02:23 am |
Quoting AlphaF: good observation !
Can you reason out the solution yourself, or do you need help? |
Wear one on both hands!!!!
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 04:31 am |
Hey ladies,
The point here is the size of the diamond, not which hand you wear it on ...
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 04:43 am |
Quoting AlphaF: Hey ladies,
The point here is the size of the diamond, not which hand you wear it on ... |
I have come to hate diamonds. They are often so contaminated with the blood of those exploited in gaining them. I can not but feel that the pain and dispair of those exploited in the diamond trade can not be good for a happy marriage.
Read about conflict diamonds....I suppose it is possible to find diamonds that are not so tainted, but even then, it's just a hard stone. Give me a clean heart instead.
http://www.un.org/peace/africa/Diamond.html
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 04:09 pm |
I happen to love diamonds and believe they are a girls best friend. You can never have too many!
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 04:32 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: I happen to love diamonds and believe they are a girls best friend. You can never have too many! |
I strongly disagree.Not diamonds but laughter is the girl's best friend
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 04:34 pm |
Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting teaschip1: I happen to love diamonds and believe they are a girls best friend. You can never have too many! |
I strongly disagree.Not diamonds but laughter is the girl's best friend
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Give me a 2kt diamond and I'll show you laughter.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 04:37 pm |
Well, I guess we all have our priorities...hmmm?
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting teaschip1: I happen to love diamonds and believe they are a girls best friend. You can never have too many! |
I strongly disagree.Not diamonds but laughter is the girl's best friend
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Give me a 2kt diamond and I'll show you laughter. |
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 04:39 pm |
Quoting alameda: Well, I guess we all have our priorities...hmmm?
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting teaschip1: I happen to love diamonds and believe they are a girls best friend. You can never have too many! |
I strongly disagree.Not diamonds but laughter is the girl's best friend
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Give me a 2kt diamond and I'll show you laughter. |
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Yes, we do Alameda. Let me guess, you also boycott products from China...
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 04:48 pm |
Quoting alameda: Well, I guess we all have our priorities...hmmm?
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting teaschip1: I happen to love diamonds and believe they are a girls best friend. You can never have too many! |
I strongly disagree.Not diamonds but laughter is the girl's best friend
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Give me a 2kt diamond and I'll show you laughter. |
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You must be a miserable old lady, with all of your sarcastic remarks.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:22 pm |
I am curious now...what is the most common type of ring in Turkey? Gold or silver or platinum, etc.? Assuming you are middle-class. From what I'm reading, it sounds like the engagement rings are also the wedding rings, which means they probably don't have diamonds, but are simple bands? Just curious...
Just a SIMPLE question, not looking for someone to oveanalyze it. I don't need a Wikipedia link, history of Greece, debate over diamonds, or anything of that nature(although those are interesting things to post!!). Just what's most common to wear. Here in the U.S. the trend these days is platinum. Gold is rarely worn unless it's white gold.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:32 pm |
Quoting mey0722: I am curious now...what is the most common type of ring in Turkey? Gold or silver or platinum, etc.? Assuming you are middle-class. From what I'm reading, it sounds like the engagement rings are also the wedding rings, which means they probably don't have diamonds, but are simple bands? Just curious...
Just a SIMPLE question, not looking for someone to oveanalyze it. I don't need a Wikipedia link, history of Greece, debate over diamonds, or anything of that nature(although those are interesting things to post!!). Just what's most common to wear. Here in the U.S. the trend these days is platinum. Gold is rarely worn unless it's white gold. |
Gold is the common type. Although, gold here in the U.S. is slowly starting to make a comeback..
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:33 pm |
Quoting mey0722: I am curious now...what is the most common type of ring in Turkey? Gold or silver or platinum, etc.? Assuming you are middle-class. From what I'm reading, it sounds like the engagement rings are also the wedding rings, which means they probably don't have diamonds, but are simple bands? Just curious...
Just a SIMPLE question, not looking for someone to oveanalyze it. I don't need a Wikipedia link, history of Greece, debate over diamonds, or anything of that nature(although those are interesting things to post!!). Just what's most common to wear. Here in the U.S. the trend these days is platinum. Gold is rarely worn unless it's white gold. |
The silver band is for the men. (for muslim men) In islam gold is prohibited to the men.
For the woman the most popular is the gold band.
And this apply to all class...
I saw woman extremely rich but with a simple band as wedding ring. But I do not tell you the others rings she was wearing... : )
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:38 pm |
So is it fair to say that when a Turkish couple gets engaged, there is no diamond ring involved, like in the U.S.? Someone mentioned diamonds in an earlier post...is that at all a tradition in Turkey?
Here in the U.S., the "rule of thumb" is that a man spends the equivalent of 3 months salary on the engagement ring (that is not the wedding ring, just the diamond engagement ring). I always thought this was very silly, but I'm sure most American or British women would disagree with me. hahaha
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:43 pm |
Quoting mey0722: So is it fair to say that when a Turkish couple gets engaged, there is no diamond ring involved, like in the U.S.? Someone mentioned diamonds in an earlier post...is that at all a tradition in Turkey?
Here in the U.S., the "rule of thumb" is that a man spends the equivalent of 3 months salary on the engagement ring (that is not the wedding ring, just the diamond engagement ring). I always thought this was very silly, but I'm sure most American or British women would disagree with me. hahaha
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If it is a traditional turkish couple I will say there is no diamond or except in rare case. But if you're American and him Turk... It is different... You will get your diamond ring! : ) And most probably another ring...
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:49 pm |
Quoting mey0722: So is it fair to say that when a Turkish couple gets engaged, there is no diamond ring involved, like in the U.S.? Someone mentioned diamonds in an earlier post...is that at all a tradition in Turkey?
Here in the U.S., the "rule of thumb" is that a man spends the equivalent of 3 months salary on the engagement ring (that is not the wedding ring, just the diamond engagement ring). I always thought this was very silly, but I'm sure most American or British women would disagree with me. hahaha
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3 months salary isn't the case anymore on what to spend for a diamond. It's usually what the man can afford or be in debt. So you would refuse a diamond?
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:49 pm |
Quoting Karine: Quoting mey0722: So is it fair to say that when a Turkish couple gets engaged, there is no diamond ring involved, like in the U.S.? Someone mentioned diamonds in an earlier post...is that at all a tradition in Turkey?
Here in the U.S., the "rule of thumb" is that a man spends the equivalent of 3 months salary on the engagement ring (that is not the wedding ring, just the diamond engagement ring). I always thought this was very silly, but I'm sure most American or British women would disagree with me. hahaha
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If it is a traditional turkish couple I will say there is no diamond or except in rare case. But if you're American and him Turk... It is different... You will get your diamond ring! : ) And most probably another ring...
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2 rings, well then.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:51 pm |
Is it haram for men to wear white gold also?
As far as I remember the reason gold is haram for men is for them not to look like women but maybe there's something more to it. I'm asking because I want our wedding rings to look alike and I never heard of silver wedding rings for women + the idea doesn't appeal to me.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:51 pm |
It seems better to me to not have to spend so much money on a ring. I know guys who have gone into heavy debt just to afford a diamond ring. It is not uncommon to spend $10,000 or more on a ring here in the US. I had a friend who received a $20K ring! But she is also one of those people who has to have the best of everything so that she can show her friends how much more she has than everyone else. Nobody was jealous of her ring...more incredulous and thought it was almost sad she felt the need to "out-do" everyone around her. Could you imagine losing it or breaking off the engagement? I can honestly say that most westerner women are very competitive and showy when it comes to rings and marriage...not ALL, but most. Is there any of this in Turkish circles? It seems almost universal, but maybe not to the same extent...
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:57 pm |
Quoting azade: Is it haram for men to wear white gold also?
As far as I remember the reason gold is haram for men is for them not to look like women but maybe there's something more to it. I'm asking because I want our wedding rings to look alike and I never heard of silver wedding rings for women + the idea doesn't appeal to me. |
I have a suggestion for you. You know in Turkey there is so many good jeweller... They can make everything you want. So you can buy a silver band for your fiance and for you a gold band and ask the jeweller to make it the as same as your husband!
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 05:58 pm |
Quoting mey0722: It seems better to me to not have to spend so much money on a ring. I know guys who have gone into heavy debt just to afford a diamond ring. It is not uncommon to spend $10,000 or more on a ring here in the US. I had a friend who received a $20K ring! But she is also one of those people who has to have the best of everything so that she can show her friends how much more she has than everyone else. Nobody was jealous of her ring...more incredulous and thought it was almost sad she felt the need to "out-do" everyone around her. Could you imagine losing it or breaking off the engagement? I can honestly say that most westerner women are very competitive and showy when it comes to rings and marriage...not ALL, but most. Is there any of this in Turkish circles? It seems almost universal, but maybe not to the same extent...
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For a good quality diamond your looking at $7,000 -$10,000 USD. And that's for a 2kt diamond. I agree it should be more symbolic rather than how much you spend.
But I also believe if the man has the money, there is nothing wrong with spending it. Some women I know over the years have upgraded their diamonds, now that their husbands are finacially better off.
What I think is even worse, is the women who pick out their own engagement rings and alot of them do.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 06:04 pm |
Sure, if you have money to burn, no problem. Spend all you want. Just that most men don't, but feel pressured to buy a very expensive ring and I feel badly for them about that.
As far as women picking out a ring, I think it is okay for a woman to let the man know what kind of ring she likes and dislikes. It's a LOT of money and something she will wear forever! Women are picky and have strong opinions on these things. But usually this is done by the woman telling someone, such as her fiance's sister, what she does and doesn't like, and then the sister would help him pick it out. I know it's not very traditional, but I think with the amount of money men are spending, better get it right. Is it selfish for the woman to not like what they are given, regardless? Probably. But again, most women have strong preferences about rings. Me? I could care less!! But I do respect how some women are!
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 06:05 pm |
Quoting mey0722: It seems better to me to not have to spend so much money on a ring. I know guys who have gone into heavy debt just to afford a diamond ring. It is not uncommon to spend $10,000 or more on a ring here in the US. I had a friend who received a $20K ring! But she is also one of those people who has to have the best of everything so that she can show her friends how much more she has than everyone else. Nobody was jealous of her ring...more incredulous and thought it was almost sad she felt the need to "out-do" everyone around her. Could you imagine losing it or breaking off the engagement? I can honestly say that most westerner women are very competitive and showy when it comes to rings and marriage...not ALL, but most. Is there any of this in Turkish circles? It seems almost universal, but maybe not to the same extent...
I agree with you that a diamond ring or a silver ring will not make your marriage perfect! : )
But you know in America we have that kind of princess wedding dream which corrupts our lives... lol
In Turkey the diamonds are much more expensive than America.
For example a diamond ring of 1500$ may cost 2800$ in Turkey...
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 06:06 pm |
I did not know that! But I have heard that buying the actual band (without the diamond) is much better quality and price in Turkey. Is this true?
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 06:10 pm |
Quoting mey0722: I did not know that! But I have heard that buying the actual band (without the diamond) is much better quality and price in Turkey. Is this true? |
Oh yes... Everything except diamond is better price in Turkey. Also you have much more work on the rings...
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 06:12 pm |
What kind of jewelry would be good to buy there if on a vacation? I'm talking about trinkets, things that aren't very expensive, such as necklaces, etc....anything unique and better priced I should look for while there?
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 06:18 pm |
Quoting mey0722: What kind of jewelry would be good to buy there if on a vacation? I'm talking about trinkets, things that aren't very expensive, such as necklaces, etc....anything unique and better priced I should look for while there? |
It depends ... Your budget... : )
Earrings and rings are usually less expensive since they weight less...
Personally I found incredible that they make rings, bracelets and earrings with gold wire.(with a needle) It is hand made and WONDERFUL... I suggest you to have a look...
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 06:37 pm |
Quoting Karine: Quoting azade: Is it haram for men to wear white gold also?
As far as I remember the reason gold is haram for men is for them not to look like women but maybe there's something more to it. I'm asking because I want our wedding rings to look alike and I never heard of silver wedding rings for women + the idea doesn't appeal to me. |
I have a suggestion for you. You know in Turkey there is so many good jeweller... They can make everything you want. So you can buy a silver band for your fiance and for you a gold band and ask the jeweller to make it the as same as your husband! |
That's a great suggestion actually We will probably end up doing something like this.
In the future I will never buy jewellery in my my native country, it is way overpriced. My husband gave me a beautiful gold ring that would have cost at least thrice the price if I had bought it outside of Turkey. We almost went beserk in the gold shop but lucky for him I don't like spending too much money
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 07:21 pm |
Quote: We almost went beserk in the gold shop but lucky for him I don't like spending too much money  |
There are always anniversaries.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 07:25 pm |
Quote: Quoting teaschip1: We almost went beserk in the gold shop but lucky for him I don't like spending too much money  |
There are always anniversaries. |
It was our anniversary indeed. Can't wait for the next one
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 08:16 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting alameda: Well, I guess we all have our priorities...hmmm?
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting teaschip1: I happen to love diamonds and believe they are a girls best friend. You can never have too many! |
I strongly disagree.Not diamonds but laughter is the girl's best friend
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Give me a 2kt diamond and I'll show you laughter. |
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You must be a miserable old lady, with all of your sarcastic remarks. |
Getting personal my dear? As I said, we all have our priorities, perhaps I should add....and price....My point is: exactly what are you buying when you buy a diamond? What are your priorities when you purchase one? Could that money be put to better use? Of course, there are some that are not so tainted, but do or are you able to discriminate which ones they are? Do you care?
"New details are emerging of links between al-Qaeda and the illicit trade in so-called "blood diamonds" bought from rebel groups in Africa."
"The vast sums of money and weapons exchanged in return for the gems have helped fuel some of the bloodiest civil wars in Africa."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2775763.stm
"The civil war in Sierra Leone has been financed by diamonds, and has always largely been a conflict about who controls the fabulous prize of the country's diamond mines."
BTW I don't shop at WalMart either.... I tend to shy away from businesses that are are not good to their workers or suppliers.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 08:36 pm |
It's probably just better to "agree to disagree." Nobody wants to be judged here. Maybe just respect each other's differnet views and move on...because you're not going to change each other's minds and it will only turn into insults and attacks as postings intensify. Just my tiny thoughts on the subject and not trying to tell anyone what to do...just already seeing the potential for things to get nasty.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 08:46 pm |
Quoting mey0722: I am curious now...what is the most common type of ring in Turkey? Gold or silver or platinum, etc.? Assuming you are middle-class. From what I'm reading, it sounds like the engagement rings are also the wedding rings, which means they probably don't have diamonds, but are simple bands? Just curious...
Just a SIMPLE question, not looking for someone to oveanalyze it. I don't need a Wikipedia link, history of Greece, debate over diamonds, or anything of that nature(although those are interesting things to post!!). Just what's most common to wear. Here in the U.S. the trend these days is platinum. Gold is rarely worn unless it's white gold. |
My husband and I have two tone rings...yellow and white gold. I did not receive a diamond when we got engaged but my husband bought a large piece of property for us in Turkey. We are hoping to build on it someday and maybe retire there. It is just my personal preference to invest rather than spend. I don't really have much use for a diamond but I could have had one I supose - if that was what made me happy. He did ask which one I preferred...I chose the land.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:01 pm |
That sounds really great!!! I'm like you...I wouldn't want a diamond, but hey, if someone does, I think if that is what makes their heart happy that's totally up to them. Where is your land located in Turkey? How do you buy land in Turkey anyway? Maybe this is a stupid question, so I apologize upfront, but can you get loans for such a thing or do you have to pay cash? I ask because I've heard the mortgage business is a cash business there. Is that true?
Your story is really interesting!!!
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:20 pm |
Quoting mey0722: That sounds really great!!! I'm like you...I wouldn't want a diamond, but hey, if someone does, I think if that is what makes their heart happy that's totally up to them. Where is your land located in Turkey? How do you buy land in Turkey anyway? Maybe this is a stupid question, so I apologize upfront, but can you get loans for such a thing or do you have to pay cash? I ask because I've heard the mortgage business is a cash business there. Is that true?
Your story is really interesting!!! |
My husband bought property near his village. I don't think Turkey has a mortgage system so everything is bought in cash. He is still a Turkish citizen, so it was fairly easy for him. Right now we just have some oranges, olives, apricots, figs...ect. His family is able to use it for the time being.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:25 pm |
Wow, that is really nice!!!
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:28 pm |
Quoting Turk120807: Wow, that is really nice!!! |
It is nice but sometimes...I do think about that diamond!!
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:33 pm |
Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting alameda: Well, I guess we all have our priorities...hmmm?
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting teaschip1: I happen to love diamonds and believe they are a girls best friend. You can never have too many! |
I strongly disagree.Not diamonds but laughter is the girl's best friend
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Give me a 2kt diamond and I'll show you laughter. |
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You must be a miserable old lady, with all of your sarcastic remarks. |
Getting personal my dear? As I said, we all have our priorities, perhaps I should add....and price....My point is: exactly what are you buying when you buy a diamond? What are your priorities when you purchase one? Could that money be put to better use? Of course, there are some that are not so tainted, but do or are you able to discriminate which ones they are? Do you care?
"New details are emerging of links between al-Qaeda and the illicit trade in so-called "blood diamonds" bought from rebel groups in Africa."
"The vast sums of money and weapons exchanged in return for the gems have helped fuel some of the bloodiest civil wars in Africa."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2775763.stm
"The civil war in Sierra Leone has been financed by diamonds, and has always largely been a conflict about who controls the fabulous prize of the country's diamond mines."
BTW I don't shop at WalMart either.... I tend to shy away from businesses that are are not good to their workers or suppliers.
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Let's see now, because a man proposes and gives you a diamond ring, this must mean your priorities are screwed up.
My point is: exactly what are you buying when you buy a diamond? A diamond is a form of carbon that crystallizes in the crystal system of highest symmetry known as the cubic system born hundreds of miles underneath the surface of the earth.
What are your priorities when you purchase one? Well usually the man purchases the diamond, so speaking for a man a symbol of love.
Could that money be put to better use? No.
Of course, there are some that are not so tainted, but do or are you able to discriminate which ones they are? Sure and they are worth thousands more, but then that would mean my priorties were even worse.
Do you care? No.
Getting personal? Yes.
You may not shop at Walmart, but I don't believe for a second you don't have Made in China items in your house.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:38 pm |
Oh...I love Walmart....does that make me bad?
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:44 pm |
Quoting Elisabeth: Oh...I love Walmart....does that make me bad? |
Where are your priorities girl? Those poor people in the chinese sweatshops making 5 cents a day. Not to mention the flowers they sell, you don't buy flowers there do you? Those same flowers are grown on property that we stole from the Indians.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:46 pm |
Did I mention Walmart sells diamonds?
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:47 pm |
The diamonds are imported by the Jewish community here in New York from Amsterdam and you know what they say about Amsterdam now.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:48 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting Elisabeth: Oh...I love Walmart....does that make me bad? |
Where are your priorities girl? Those poor people in the chinese sweatshops making 5 cents a day. Not to mention the flowers they sell, you don't buy flowers there do you? Those same flowers are grown on property that we stole from the Indians.
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Are you joking? First, I find out my beloved husband is a Dudu...then WALMART is employing Chinese people! AND I have flowers grown on stolen land? What the heck else can go wrong...next you will be telling me there is NO SANTA!!
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 09:51 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: The diamonds are imported by the Jewish community here in New York from Amsterdam and you know what they say about Amsterdam now. |
Yeah...NO WALMART!
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 10:09 pm |
Quoting Elisabeth: next you will be telling me there is NO SANTA!! |
And Rudolph is made up as well....
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 10:14 pm |
Quoting Trudy: Quoting Elisabeth: next you will be telling me there is NO SANTA!! |
And Rudolph is made up as well.... |
But how can Santa see in the snow storm?
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 10:15 pm |
Quoting Trudy: Quoting Elisabeth: next you will be telling me there is NO SANTA!! |
And Rudolph is made up as well.... |
Stop it...you are going to make me cry..
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 10:17 pm |
Now I am confused! What if you get a diamond ring for Christmas...does this mean Santa supports the illegal diamond trade? or does it mean that the elves are Chinese? Does he live on land stolen from the Indians?
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 10:50 pm |
Quoting Elisabeth: Now I am confused! What if you get a diamond ring for Christmas...does this mean Santa supports the illegal diamond trade? or does it mean that the elves are Chinese? Does he live on land stolen from the Indians? |
It depends on who you ask here. Some may say yes to all of the above. If it was me, I would take the diamond and run without asking questions.
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 11:00 pm |
Quoting Elisabeth: Now I am confused! What if you get a diamond ring for Christmas...does this mean Santa supports the illegal diamond trade? or does it mean that the elves are Chinese? Does he live on land stolen from the Indians? |
More importantly, how did Santa deliver it without Rudalph? What happen to Rudalph.....
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05 Nov 2007 Mon 11:04 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting Elisabeth: Now I am confused! What if you get a diamond ring for Christmas...does this mean Santa supports the illegal diamond trade? or does it mean that the elves are Chinese? Does he live on land stolen from the Indians? |
More importantly, how did Santa deliver it without Rudalph? What happen to Rudalph..... |
I hope you are not implying that Santa had something to do with Rudolph's disappearance! Maybe Rudolph knew too much....any one of the elves could have done something to him...or FROSTY...You can't trust a man made of snow that walks around in nothing but a scarf and hat!
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 12:52 am |
Quoting teaschip1: Did I mention Walmart sells diamonds? |
Maybe it's a joke to you, but there are actually lives being seriously compromised by irresponsible consumer and business practices.
Wal-Mart
"Always low prices", always low standards for corporate responsibility. Wal-Mart dominates the U.S., Canadian, and Mexican markets and is currently China's eighth-largest trading partner. Unfortunately, Wal-Mart confines its leadership to the realm of sales and in other areas promotes the attitude that virtually everything--products, workers, or even communities--can be disposable .
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 03:40 am |
Quoting teaschip1: Let's see now, because a man proposes and gives you a diamond ring, this must mean your priorities are screwed up.
My point is: exactly what are you buying when you buy a diamond? A diamond is a form of carbon that crystallizes in the crystal system of highest symmetry known as the cubic system born hundreds of miles underneath the surface of the earth.
What are your priorities when you purchase one? Well usually the man purchases the diamond, so speaking for a man a symbol of love.
Could that money be put to better use? No.
Of course, there are some that are not so tainted, but do or are you able to discriminate which ones they are? Sure and they are worth thousands more, but then that would mean my priorties were even worse.
Do you care? No.
Getting personal? Yes.
You may not shop at Walmart, but I don't believe for a second you don't have Made in China items in your house. |
Why exactly are you so angry at alameda's message, teaschip...? It looks like you took it completely personally! Of course because you like diamonds doesn't mean that all your priorities are screwed up, but some people think that diamonds are not an important priority and that they don't say anything about love at all. That's the point, so why getting personal and sarcastic about it?
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 02:24 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting teaschip1: Let's see now, because a man proposes and gives you a diamond ring, this must mean your priorities are screwed up.
My point is: exactly what are you buying when you buy a diamond? A diamond is a form of carbon that crystallizes in the crystal system of highest symmetry known as the cubic system born hundreds of miles underneath the surface of the earth.
What are your priorities when you purchase one? Well usually the man purchases the diamond, so speaking for a man a symbol of love.
Could that money be put to better use? No.
Of course, there are some that are not so tainted, but do or are you able to discriminate which ones they are? Sure and they are worth thousands more, but then that would mean my priorties were even worse.
Do you care? No.
Getting personal? Yes.
You may not shop at Walmart, but I don't believe for a second you don't have Made in China items in your house. |
Why exactly are you so angry at alameda's message, teaschip...? It looks like you took it completely personally! Of course because you like diamonds doesn't mean that all your priorities are screwed up, but some people think that diamonds are not an important priority and that they don't say anything about love at all. That's the point, so why getting personal and sarcastic about it? |
Let me guess, your posts are never personal or sarcastic.. I'm simply tired of her rude comments back to me here. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 02:28 pm |
Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1: Did I mention Walmart sells diamonds? |
Maybe it's a joke to you, but there are actually lives being seriously compromised by irresponsible consumer and business practices.
Wal-Mart
"Always low prices", always low standards for corporate responsibility. Wal-Mart dominates the U.S., Canadian, and Mexican markets and is currently China's eighth-largest trading partner. Unfortunately, Wal-Mart confines its leadership to the realm of sales and in other areas promotes the attitude that virtually everything--products, workers, or even communities--can be disposable . |
Personally speaking, I don't care for Walmart nor do I shop there. However, my son has been working there part-time for two years now and they are VERY good to him. So I don't happen to agree that their workers are disposable. I believe it's all in the management you have.
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 04:02 pm |
My position is in being a consumer we have responsibilities. I am simply attempting to ask you to think about it.
When you purchase, or encourage others to purchase an item, the practices used in the harvesting and production should be very carefully considered.
If one purchases stolen property, it is a crime. Just because something might be legal does not make it moral.
For a long time it was legal to capture humans, use and sell them into slavery. It was legal. Great wealth was built on the backs of the exploited and enslaved. Some questioned the practice and it was eventually made illegal. Although human trafficking still exists, and there are still clients, it is now recognized as a morally repugnant practice.
If you produce, transport and consume something produced under morally repugnant conditions, you are a part of the problem.
Products that don't sell are not harvested or produced. It's the law of supply and demand.
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 05:57 pm |
Pls mind your language, when it comes to Santa Claus...
Santa is Turkish...
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 06:09 pm |
SANTA CLAUS/SAINT NICHOLAS/NOEL BABA
http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 06:52 pm |
Quoting Elisabeth: Now I am confused! What if you get a diamond ring for Christmas...does this mean Santa supports the illegal diamond trade? or does it mean that the elves are Chinese? Does he live on land stolen from the Indians? |
Elisabeth, That does get into a sticky area. I think you express your desires and hope for the best. It's rude to inquire exactly where a gift comes from, and it hurts the feelings when you do not accept a gift. I always try to accept gifts graciously and thank the gift giver.
Being a conscience consumer is not easy. We do the best we can and try to improve along the way.
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 07:21 pm |
Quoting alameda: Quoting Elisabeth: Now I am confused! What if you get a diamond ring for Christmas...does this mean Santa supports the illegal diamond trade? or does it mean that the elves are Chinese? Does he live on land stolen from the Indians? |
Elisabeth, That does get into a sticky area. I think you express your desires and hope for the best. It's rude to inquire exactly where a gift comes from, and it hurts the feelings when you do not accept a gift. I always try to accept gifts graciously and thank the gift giver.
Being a conscience consumer is not easy. We do the best we can and try to improve along the way.
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On a more serious note, it is difficult to be a responsible consumer and I think we could drive ourselves crazy if we try to do the correct thing all the time. Most of us try to do the right thing most of the time, but it is impossible to do so all the time. (I will skip the diamonds but I can't guarantee I would never step foot in a Walmart)
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 08:16 pm |
Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting alameda: Quoting Elisabeth: Now I am confused! What if you get a diamond ring for Christmas...does this mean Santa supports the illegal diamond trade? or does it mean that the elves are Chinese? Does he live on land stolen from the Indians? |
Elisabeth, That does get into a sticky area. I think you express your desires and hope for the best. It's rude to inquire exactly where a gift comes from, and it hurts the feelings when you do not accept a gift. I always try to accept gifts graciously and thank the gift giver.
Being a conscience consumer is not easy. We do the best we can and try to improve along the way.
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On a more serious note, it is difficult to be a responsible consumer and I think we could drive ourselves crazy if we try to do the correct thing all the time. Most of us try to do the right thing most of the time, but it is impossible to do so all the time. (I will skip the diamonds but I can't guarantee I would never step foot in a Walmart) |
It is not easy. In fact it staggers the mind, particularly in this global society. We try and to the best we can.
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 10:00 pm |
It's really not so difficult to be a responsible consumer. In fact, its never been easier. If you want to wear a diamond, and don't bother to check its origin, then I hope your conscience lets you sleep...
Anyway, diamonds are vulgar! The bigger the diamond, the more vulgar the wearer
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 10:24 pm |
Quoting mey0722: It's probably just better to "agree to disagree." Nobody wants to be judged here. Maybe just respect each other's differnet views and move on...because you're not going to change each other's minds and it will only turn into insults and attacks as postings intensify. Just my tiny thoughts on the subject and not trying to tell anyone what to do...just already seeing the potential for things to get nasty. |
Is your real name Polyanna?
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 10:43 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: It's really not so difficult to be a responsible consumer. In fact, its never been easier. If you want to wear a diamond, and don't bother to check its origin, then I hope your conscience lets you sleep...
Anyway, diamonds are vulgar! The bigger the diamond, the more vulgar the wearer  |
Agreed
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 11:39 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: It's really not so difficult to be a responsible consumer. In fact, its never been easier. If you want to wear a diamond, and don't bother to check its origin, then I hope your conscience lets you sleep...
Anyway, diamonds are vulgar! The bigger the diamond, the more vulgar the wearer  |
I sleep like a baby...
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06 Nov 2007 Tue 11:43 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting AEnigma III: It's really not so difficult to be a responsible consumer. In fact, its never been easier. If you want to wear a diamond, and don't bother to check its origin, then I hope your conscience lets you sleep...
Anyway, diamonds are vulgar! The bigger the diamond, the more vulgar the wearer  |
I sleep like a baby... |
Great
I suppose if you want to support such a disgusting industry for the sake of rock which has been falsely rarified and over-priced, then great...
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07 Nov 2007 Wed 12:01 am |
I take it you don't put gas or oil in your car, use public transportation or heat your home. Bloodshed over oil.. Let me guess it's because it's a necessatie?
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07 Nov 2007 Wed 12:04 am |
Quoting teaschip1: I take it you don't put gas or oil in your car, use public transportation or heat your home. Bloodshed over oil.. Let me guess it's because it's a necessatie? |
Me bring fire to my cave by cutting tree!! I am bad cavewoman!! Me have no more tree...I go get tree for neighbors tribe! UGGG
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07 Nov 2007 Wed 12:07 am |
Quoting teaschip1: I take it you don't put gas or oil in your car, use public transportation or heat your home. Bloodshed over oil.. Let me guess it's because it's a necessatie? |
Well I certainly try to find alternatives, according to what I can afford and what is practicable. At least I have a conscience! You have solar panels Teas?
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07 Nov 2007 Wed 12:09 am |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1: I take it you don't put gas or oil in your car, use public transportation or heat your home. Bloodshed over oil.. Let me guess it's because it's a necessatie? |
Well I certainly try to find alternatives, according to what I can afford and what is practicable. At least I have a conscience! You have solar panels Teas?  |
I live in a tent in the hills and use wood. My method of transportation is hitch hiking, call me lower class.
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