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Beri... !
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10 Nov 2006 Fri 06:10 am |
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No,this i know,DIr cann't refer to a passing time.
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10 Nov 2006 Fri 06:14 am |
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Quoting siyahkediyim: Doğru-- you cannot use DIr when referencing a specific point in time, like a specific day or hour, because of the fact that it refers to a duration, as opposed to -DAn beri which refers to a period that can start from a specific time...
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But other than that,and the fact that DIR cann't be used to refer to a passing time,
They are both alike .Doğru mu ?
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10 Nov 2006 Fri 06:32 am |
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Evet, sanırım çünkü
Beş yıldan beri sigara içmedim.
Beş yıldır sigara içmedim.
Have the same meaning....
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10 Nov 2006 Fri 08:24 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting aslan2:
Ali, İstanbula gittiğinden beri hergün beni arıyor.
Ali calls me everyday since he went İstanbul.
The same sentence can be constructed using "-eli beri".
Ali, İstanbula gideli beri hergün beni arıyor.
Ali calls me everyday since he went İstanbul
Note that in this construction the underlined subclause is a gerund clause and has no person and time. And also "beri" is optional in "-eli beri" and can be reduced to "-eli".
Ali, İstanbula gideli hergün beni arıyor.
Ali calls me everyday since he went İstanbul.
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Thank you aslan2 so much,
But there is a person in 'gittiğinden' the 'in'
And doesn't 'dIk' consider a tense ?
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I thought I was clear. I was talking about "-eli beri" of course. Gerund clauses doesn't convey time and person is expressed by using pronouns or names if necessary. You should check the main clause for the tense part. Of course "-eli beri" refers to an event in the past. On the other hand -dik shouldn't be considered a tense (See my example at the very end).
Examples for "-eli beri":
Ben, İstanbula gideli beri onu aramadım.
I didn't call her since I went to İstanbul
The underlined Turkish clause is used for "Ben" (I) and in the past by checking the main clause which is:
Ben onu aramadım.
If the underlined clause has a different person, you should use a name or personal pronoun (you cannot use any suffix for the person after "-eli beri"):
Ben, Ali İstanbula gideli beri onu aramadım.
I didn't call Ali since he went to İstanbul.
or
Since Ali went to İstanbul, I didn't call him.
If we use a pronoun for example:
Ali, ben İstanbula gideli beri beni aramıyor.
Ali doesn't call me since I went to İstanbul.
If we take this last example, in a clear context you can drop some parts:
Ali, İstanbula gideli beri beni aramıyor.
Ali, ben İstanbula gideli beri aramıyor.
Ali, İstanbula gideli beri aramıyor.
İstanbula gideli beri beni aramıyor.
Ben İstanbula gideli beri aramıyor.
İstanbula gideli beri aramıyor.
Ali, İstanbula gideli beni aramıyor.
Ali, ben İstanbula gideli aramıyor.
Ali, İstanbula gideli aramıyor.
İstanbula gideli beni aramıyor.
Ben İstanbula gideli aramıyor.
İstanbula gideli aramıyor.
And all of them might mean:
Ali doesn't call me since I went to İstanbul.
When there is no context, the last one would be very confusing indeed. To make it clear, you would have to ask a question like this:
q: Kim, kim İstanbula gideli kimi aramıyor?
a: Ali, ben İstanbula gideli beni aramıyor.
As for -dik, check these examples.
İstanbula gittiğimi biliyorsun.
You know that I went to İstanbul. (past)
You know that I am going to İstanbul.(present or future)
The underlined clause can be used for all the main tenses (i.e. past, present and future). Which tense is used should be understood with the help of the context.
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