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1.       sea-sun-air
0 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 03:28 pm

HELLO ALL OF MY FRİENDS..

I WANT TO START A SMALL VOTİNG..iTS A FRİENDLY VOTİNG AND I HOPE MAYBE IT CAN BE A SAMPLİNG TO REACH TO THE ALL OF SPACE..
VOTE İT PLEASE;

WHAT DO U THİNG ABOUT EU MEMBERANCE OF TURKEY..?

1-) YES IT MUST BE ( TELL THE REASON )
2-) TENTATİVE
3-) NO I DONT WANT ( TELL THE REASON )

THANX FOR NOW FOR ALL OF YOUR ANSWERS...

2.       irishdon
143 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 03:31 pm

For the moment I'll go with 2) Tentative!

3.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 03:31 pm

Quoting sea-sun-air:

HELLO ALL OF MY FRİENDS..

I WANT TO START A SMALL VOTİNG..iTS A FRİENDLY VOTİNG AND I HOPE MAYBE IT CAN BE A SAMPLİNG TO REACH TO THE ALL OF SPACE..
VOTE İT PLEASE;

WHAT DO U THİNG ABOUT EU MEMBERANCE OF TURKEY..?

1-) YES IT MUST BE ( TELL THE REASON )
2-) TENTATİVE
3-) NO I DONT WANT ( TELL THE REASON )

THANX FOR NOW FOR ALL OF YOUR ANSWERS...



tentative.. because eu needs turkey more than turkey needs the eu in my opinion.. they see it as a bridge between east and west..because turkey is seen by europe as a muslim country, although muslim countries sometimes feel as if turkish people are not muslim..

4.       aenigma x
0 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 04:07 pm

I am against, and don’t believe it will happen for the following reasons.

Turkey’s growth has been huge, and arguably so fast that people are still resisting the changes which have already happened in the last few decades. They are making huge progress politically and economically, in fact in 2004 and 2005 their economic growth was 7% -(higher than any other EU country!) but more time is needed for further changes to be implemented.

There is a very good reason why the US are so keen for Turkey to join because it is an atlanticist and NATO country – do we really want the EU to become even more under the influence of the US.?

The reasons I don't believe their application will be successful are:

The application and desire to join has meant that major changes have already been made, but fundamental issues like recognising Cyprus (who are members of the EU!) as an independent state and the existence of penal codes such as:-

"A person who explicitly insults being a Turk, the Republic or Turkish Grand National Assembly, the penalty to be imposed shall be imprisonment for a term of six months to three years." and "When insulting being a Turk is committed by a Turkish citizen in a foreign country, the penalty to be imposed shall be increased by one third."

make it it impossible for membership to be agreed.


However, Turkey is young, fast growing and has a bright future – with or without the EU

5.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 04:17 pm

merhaba!
the EU membership implies meeting political and economic cryteria and athough it was designed as an economic entity, the Union- after the Maastricht Treaty- has developed as a political organism
regarding the Turkey EU membership, further steps should be taken in order to meet the political cryteria (the EU Report published last month clearly states this)
I sincerely hope that what is now a perspective to turn one day into a certainty; Turkey is a major player in the stability of the region and has proven it as a NATO member. Still, the EU has additional tests which must be passed!

6.       qdemir
812 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 04:22 pm

I think if users from any member state vote only the result will be much more pertinent to the aim of the voting as they will decide on that at the end. Otherwise since everyone has an opinion concerning the question it might lead to an argument.

I would like to know the votes and opinions of the users from member states.

7.       aenigma x
0 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 04:28 pm

I would just like to add....Turkey does not need the EU ! They have a hugely growing population of young, well educated citizens who, given 20 years, will outshine all other EU countries. Turkey is still so young as a secular muslim state and has a wealth of resources - just wait....the EU will be begging them to join in the future

8.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 04:33 pm

maybe it would be useful to have paralel votes
let the people of the EU member states vote whether Turkey should or should not be an EU Member
on the other hand, let the Turkish people express thier vote whether they want or not that thier country be an EU member

9.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 04:33 pm

maybe it would be useful to have paralel votes
let the people of the EU member states vote whether Turkey should or should not be an EU Member
on the other hand, let the Turkish people express thier vote whether they want or not that thier country be an EU member

10.       nur1
427 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 04:44 pm

Quoting sea-sun-air:

HELLO ALL OF MY FRİENDS..

I WANT TO START A SMALL VOTİNG..iTS A FRİENDLY VOTİNG AND I HOPE MAYBE IT CAN BE A SAMPLİNG TO REACH TO THE ALL OF SPACE..
VOTE İT PLEASE;

WHAT DO U THİNG ABOUT EU MEMBERANCE OF TURKEY..?

1-) YES IT MUST BE ( TELL THE REASON )
2-) TENTATİVE
3-) NO I DONT WANT ( TELL THE REASON )

THANX FOR NOW FOR ALL OF YOUR ANSWERS...


i think turkey is good enough for joining to europen union but there is one big reason for not to accept it its a muslum country, at the moment the last subject was about it opining cyprus's airpots and seaports.
i would love joining to europen union because it will change all standarts of our life, our life standarts will be 5 times better than now!
i hope europe is cordial about making turkey a member of the uinon!
if you think of bulgaria, how has it become a member of it? it was worse than turkey on economical condation.. it wasnt better than turkey on any subjet but its in europe now!

11.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 04:58 pm

Quote:


i think turkey is good enough for joining to europen union but there is one big reason for not to accept it its a muslum country, at the moment the last subject was about it opining cyprus's airpots and seaports.
i would love joining to europen union because it will change all standarts of our life, our life standarts will be 5 times better than now!
i hope europe is cordial about making turkey a member of the uinon!
if you think of bulgaria, how has it become a member of it? it was worse than turkey on economical condation.. it wasnt better than turkey on any subjet but its in europe now!




let`s not cling on cliches...
to say that a reason Turkey is not accepted because it is a muslim country is a false idea; after all EU is not a religious club and religion is not a cryteria!
and..regarding the US: US has no advantage in Turkey`s EU membership. Turkey is a NATO member and the US would not be so happy that one of its strategic partners join another alliance especially when this alliance (EU) has in plan to develop a security and defence policy to compete with the US security and defence policy within NATO!

12.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 04:58 pm

that is quite true about raising standards..but what about the fact that the turkish govt would not have complete control over things within turkey,,the eu can override things..there is a kind of trade off if u like..and if turkey grows at a faster economic rate then surely the eu would slow this down as their economy is slightly different..for example england's econom is very different to other european countries..if they were to accept the single currency i believe it would have devastating effects either on our economy or the rest of the european countries...

13.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 05:03 pm

Quote:

Quoting juliacernat:


i think turkey is good enough for joining to europen union but there is one big reason for not to accept it its a muslum country, at the moment the last subject was about it opining cyprus's airpots and seaports.
i would love joining to europen union because it will change all standarts of our life, our life standarts will be 5 times better than now!
i hope europe is cordial about making turkey a member of the uinon!
if you think of bulgaria, how has it become a member of it? it was worse than turkey on economical condation.. it wasnt better than turkey on any subjet but its in europe now!




let`s not cling on cliches...
to say that a reason Turkey is not accepted because it is a muslim country is a false idea; after all EU is not a religious club and religion is not a cryteria!
and..regarding the US: US has no advantage in Turkey`s EU membership. Turkey is a NATO member and the US would not be so happy that one of its strategic partners join another alliance especially when this alliance (EU) has in plan to develop a security and defence policy to compete with the US security and defence policy within NATO!



well the eu is actually viewed as a christian club..in regards ti the us having cintrol..the majority of other eu members did not agree wth the iraq conflicts..but england/britain sided with america over the eu..so julia is right..

14.       aenigma x
0 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 05:12 pm

Quoting juliacernat:


and..regarding the US: US has no advantage in Turkey`s EU membership. Turkey is a NATO member and the US would not be so happy that one of its strategic partners join another alliance especially when this alliance (EU) has in plan to develop a security and defence policy to compete with the US security and defence policy within NATO!



I am sorry but this is factually incorrect. The US are completely supporting Turkey in its bid to join the EU for the very reason that they ARE a NATO country and that they are Atlanticists. It will give the US a stronger position in the EU than they currently have with countries like France remaining independent.

Its TRUE!

15.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 05:38 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting juliacernat:


and..regarding the US: US has no advantage in Turkey`s EU membership. Turkey is a NATO member and the US would not be so happy that one of its strategic partners join another alliance especially when this alliance (EU) has in plan to develop a security and defence policy to compete with the US security and defence policy within NATO!



I am sorry but this is factually incorrect. The US are completely supporting Turkey in its bid to join the EU for the very reason that they ARE a NATO country and that they are Atlanticists. It will give the US a stronger position in the EU than they currently have with countries like France remaining independent.
Its TRUE!




once they are a EU Member and if the EU develops its Security and Defence Policy, the resources of the EU State Members will concentrate on the missions lead by EU. The European Security and Defence Policy is a competition for NATO and surely this is not the reason US supports the Turkey`s EU membership!

16.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 06:13 pm

If this looks familiar, its because I posted this last summer.


I want Turkey to join the EU but not at a cost of losing its Turkish identity and secularism.

5 years ago, joining the EU meant something. But now, look at the impoverished nations that have little to offer that have been granted entrance before Turkey. It disgusts me.

The Turkish economy is growing at over 7% without being in the EU. Turkey is not a begger that needs to get on its knees to join the EU.

Key items that are not negotiable for entry:
Secularism, Cyprus, PKK, Armenia and internal military operations.

As long as these items are not on the table, I welcome it.

17.       tutor
7 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 08:16 pm

Quote:

Quoting KeithL:

If this looks familiar, its because I posted this last summer.


I want Turkey to join the EU but not at a cost of losing its Turkish identity and secularism.

5 years ago, joining the EU meant something. But now, look at the impoverished nations that have little to offer that have been granted entrance before Turkey. It disgusts me.

The Turkish economy is growing at over 7% without being in the EU. Turkey is not a begger that needs to get on its knees to join the EU.

Key items that are not negotiable for entry:
Secularism, Cyprus, PKK, Armenia and internal military operations.

As long as these items are not on the table, I welcome it.


nur1

i think turkey is good enough for joining to europen union but there is one big reason for not to accept it its a muslum country, at the moment the last subject was about it opining cyprus's airpots and seaports.
i would love joining to europen union because it will change all standarts of our life, our life standarts will be 5 times better than now!
i hope europe is cordial about making turkey a member of the uinon!
if you think of bulgaria, how has it become a member of it? it was worse than turkey on economical condation.. it wasnt better than turkey on any subjet but its in europe now!


i agree with both of you...

18.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:02 pm

Quoting KeithL:

If this looks familiar, its because I posted this last summer.


I want Turkey to join the EU but not at a cost of losing its Turkish identity and secularism.

5 years ago, joining the EU meant something. But now, look at the impoverished nations that have little to offer that have been granted entrance before Turkey. It disgusts me.

The Turkish economy is growing at over 7% without being in the EU. Turkey is not a begger that needs to get on its knees to join the EU.

Key items that are not negotiable for entry:
Secularism, Cyprus, PKK, Armenia and internal military operations.

As long as these items are not on the table, I welcome it.



Joining the EU has nothing to do with loosing the national identity. The "EU standards" do not clash with any national specificity; moreover, there are enormous resources/funds that can be accessed by the member states and by the accessing countries for programs protecting and promoting diversity. EU is open to diversity and welcomes and encourages it.
regarding the other stament, as I underlined in the previous posts, the cryteria for becoming a member are both economic and political and the two must be simultaniously met. Therefore, it is not enough to have a fast developing economy- for this Turkey received a good report; political chapters must be closed, too. These are the rules, they are very clearly set and everybody wanting to join must abide them.

19.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:17 pm

I disagree with you on this juliacernat.

If Turkey were in the EU currently, it would not be able to deal with such issues as the PKK, Cyprus, secularism, and Kurdish nationalism the way it can being independent. It would be forced to conform to EU standards that quite frankly will not work in all of these circumstances and actually would jeopardize Turkey's long term position in the world rather than elevating it.

There is really only one question that needs to be asked.
Would Ataturk accept the EU's current requirements being placed upon Turkey in order to join the EU? Of course he wouldn't.

20.       MrX67
2540 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:25 pm

i believe each union sort of trade,so sides of any union has to give from itself for get somethings from other side.But when one side wants more and more,thats turns an unjustical trade.we Turkish people so disguisting about when hear somethings about EU lately,coz our politicans using this matter as a political material while Eu countries doesn't like to see Turkey in this union.sure our country has some economical,social and democratical problems,but i believe that we can solve all this problems ourself without support of any union,we Turkish people used to live with national proud,and we never want to lost this proud for a few more Euro...

21.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:44 pm

Quoting MrX67:

i believe each union sort of trade,so sides of any union has to give from itself for get somethings from other side.But when one side wants more and more,thats turns an unjustical trade.we Turkish people so disguisting about when hear somethings about EU lately,coz our politicans using this matter as a political material while Eu countries doesn't like to see Turkey in this union.sure our country has some economical,social and democratical problems,but i believe that we can solve all this problems ourself without support of any union,we Turkish people used to live with national proud,and we never want to lost this proud for a few more Euro...



I am sure that Turkey can solve its problems by itself; it is even easier when these problems are admitted
the national pride cannot be taken/stolen from a nation, and at the EU's door it is not written, like in Dante's Infern: all those wanting to join, leave yor hopes/pride at the doorstep.... not at all.
EU is an open door, but there are, indeed, conditions to enter .... no one forces no one inside, but if the answer before the open door is YES, then....there are rules to abide

22.       MrX67
2540 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:49 pm

Quoting juliacernat:

Quoting MrX67:

i believe each union sort of trade,so sides of any union has to give from itself for get somethings from other side.But when one side wants more and more,thats turns an unjustical trade.we Turkish people so disguisting about when hear somethings about EU lately,coz our politicans using this matter as a political material while Eu countries doesn't like to see Turkey in this union.sure our country has some economical,social and democratical problems,but i believe that we can solve all this problems ourself without support of any union,we Turkish people used to live with national proud,and we never want to lost this proud for a few more Euro...



I am sure that Turkey can solve its problems by itself; it is even easier when these problems are admitted
the national pride cannot be taken/stolen from a nation, and at the EU's door it is not written, like in Dante's Infern: all those wanting to join, leave yor hopes/pride at the doorstep.... not at all.
EU is an open door, but there are, indeed, conditions to enter .... no one forces no one inside, but if the answer before the open door is YES, then....there are rules to abide

rules??pls don't make me lough,you will say u have to be democratical while you have many prejudices about other culture.sure more democracy,more dveloping,more human rights aim of all of us,but how you want from others that you have to be all like me,while the other has their own cultural and national specialities

23.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:56 pm

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting juliacernat:

Quoting MrX67:

i believe each union sort of trade,so sides of any union has to give from itself for get somethings from other side.But when one side wants more and more,thats turns an unjustical trade.we Turkish people so disguisting about when hear somethings about EU lately,coz our politicans using this matter as a political material while Eu countries doesn't like to see Turkey in this union.sure our country has some economical,social and democratical problems,but i believe that we can solve all this problems ourself without support of any union,we Turkish people used to live with national proud,and we never want to lost this proud for a few more Euro...



I am sure that Turkey can solve its problems by itself; it is even easier when these problems are admitted
the national pride cannot be taken/stolen from a nation, and at the EU's door it is not written, like in Dante's Infern: all those wanting to join, leave yor hopes/pride at the doorstep.... not at all.
EU is an open door, but there are, indeed, conditions to enter .... no one forces no one inside, but if the answer before the open door is YES, then....there are rules to abide

rules??pls don't make me lough,you will say u have to be democratical while you have many prejudices about other culture.sure more democracy,more dveloping,more human rights aim of all of us,but how you want from others that you have to be all like me,while the other has their own cultural and national specialities



once sb has prejudgements towards other cultures/groups/minorities that sb cannot call itself democratic
cultural and national specificity cannot clash with democracy, rule of law or human rights; otherwise, if we do not agree that there are universal values, then we can legitimate arbitrary violence or just about anything having as an excuse the "national specificity"

24.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 10:01 pm

I will limit this only to Cyprus. Why must Turkey open ports to Cyprus while the rest of Europe will not open ports to North Cyprus? Why is EU insistent that Turkey compromise first? Why can't the two things happen simultaneously?

25.       MrX67
2540 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 10:02 pm

Quoting juliacernat:

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting juliacernat:

Quoting MrX67:

i believe each union sort of trade,so sides of any union has to give from itself for get somethings from other side.But when one side wants more and more,thats turns an unjustical trade.we Turkish people so disguisting about when hear somethings about EU lately,coz our politicans using this matter as a political material while Eu countries doesn't like to see Turkey in this union.sure our country has some economical,social and democratical problems,but i believe that we can solve all this problems ourself without support of any union,we Turkish people used to live with national proud,and we never want to lost this proud for a few more Euro...



I am sure that Turkey can solve its problems by itself; it is even easier when these problems are admitted
the national pride cannot be taken/stolen from a nation, and at the EU's door it is not written, like in Dante's Infern: all those wanting to join, leave yor hopes/pride at the doorstep.... not at all.
EU is an open door, but there are, indeed, conditions to enter .... no one forces no one inside, but if the answer before the open door is YES, then....there are rules to abide

rules??pls don't make me lough,you will say u have to be democratical while you have many prejudices about other culture.sure more democracy,more dveloping,more human rights aim of all of us,but how you want from others that you have to be all like me,while the other has their own cultural and national specialities



once sb has prejudgements towards other cultures/groups/minorities that sb cannot call itself democratic
cultural and national specificity cannot clash with democracy, rule of law or human rights; otherwise, if we do not agree that there are universal values, then we can legitimate arbitrary violence or just about anything having as an excuse the "national specificity"

26.       MrX67
2540 posts
 04 Dec 2006 Mon 10:05 pm

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting juliacernat:

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting juliacernat:

Quoting MrX67:

i believe each union sort of trade,so sides of any union has to give from itself for get somethings from other side.But when one side wants more and more,thats turns an unjustical trade.we Turkish people so disguisting about when hear somethings about EU lately,coz our politicans using this matter as a political material while Eu countries doesn't like to see Turkey in this union.sure our country has some economical,social and democratical problems,but i believe that we can solve all this problems ourself without support of any union,we Turkish people used to live with national proud,and we never want to lost this proud for a few more Euro...



I am sure that Turkey can solve its problems by itself; it is even easier when these problems are admitted
the national pride cannot be taken/stolen from a nation, and at the EU's door it is not written, like in Dante's Infern: all those wanting to join, leave yor hopes/pride at the doorstep.... not at all.
EU is an open door, but there are, indeed, conditions to enter .... no one forces no one inside, but if the answer before the open door is YES, then....there are rules to abide

rules??pls don't make me lough,you will say u have to be democratical while you have many prejudices about other culture.sure more democracy,more dveloping,more human rights aim of all of us,but how you want from others that you have to be all like me,while the other has their own cultural and national specialities



once sb has prejudgements towards other cultures/groups/minorities that sb cannot call itself democratic
cultural and national specificity cannot clash with democracy, rule of law or human rights; otherwise, if we do not agree that there are universal values, then we can legitimate arbitrary violence or just about anything having as an excuse the "national specificity"

who can deny universal values,but noone can say thats an universal value about the differences of cultures..

27.       aenigma x
0 posts
 08 Dec 2006 Fri 05:39 pm

Oooo!

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=154482

28.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 08 Dec 2006 Fri 05:46 pm

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=61239

eu businesspeople are fighting for turkeys membership of the eu

29.       aenigma x
0 posts
 08 Dec 2006 Fri 05:57 pm

Quoting myself!:

Oooo!

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=154482



..but this is amazing! After everything that has been said, Turkey are NOW opening one seaport and one airport to Cyprus...what are the views of the Turkish classmates on this?

30.       catwoman
8933 posts
 08 Dec 2006 Fri 06:14 pm

I think that demanding from Turkey to just agree on the Cyprus issue is very unfair, unethical and just plain wrong. Cyprus has been accepted to the EU even though it had boundary probles, and that is against the EU law. They broke the law and now just want to please one of their members playing on Turkey's desire to join. There are real people living on the Turkish side of Cyprus that Greeks need to respect and give social rights to!
The EU isn't focusing enough on Turkey's economy, law and social structure - discrimination and human rights violations. If EU keeps playing games and will overlook the more important criteria of a healthy country and society, they will eventually lead to self-destruction.
On the other hand, I wouldn't glorify Turkey so much. Let's not fool ourselves - they do have a lot to improve! as well as they probably need EU's stimulation in order to keep going in the right direction.

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