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You all laughed at me...
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 04:40 pm |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6175893.stm
I told you that you can buy camels in Turkey.
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 04:43 pm |
Quoting KeithL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6175893.stm
I told you that you can buy camels in Turkey.
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Aenigma will be pleased! ....not about the actual sacrifice though
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 04:48 pm |
You can Camels in Italy too. Oh, hold on, that's a brand of cigarettes!
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:02 pm |
Quoting KeithL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6175893.stm
I told you that you can buy camels in Turkey.
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Offffffff . Why not go one stage further - sacrifice a human next time. A life is a life, is a life....
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:07 pm |
Quoting aenigma x: Quoting KeithL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6175893.stm
I told you that you can buy camels in Turkey.
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Offffffff . Why not go one stage further - sacrifice a human next time. A life is a life, is a life.... |
can i just ask..do u eat meat,or wear leather shoes????
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:09 pm |
Oooooppps!! I feel a sacking coming on!
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:21 pm |
or have a leather purse, or wear makeup, or use medicine, or eat jello, or eat pudding.....
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:50 pm |
My friends dad got offered 2 camels for his wife when they were in Turkey. Thats not the first time i heard this!
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:53 pm |
Quoting KeithL: or have a leather purse, or wear makeup, or use medicine, or eat jello, or eat pudding..... |
Quoting robyn : can i just ask..do u eat meat,or wear leather shoes???? |
"No" to all of them! I use complementary medicine,I dont wear leather, I only use cruelty-free cosmetics and I have a vegetarian diet. I do eat dairy foods if they are organic and free-range. Maybe I sometimes make exceptions, but I live this lifestyle 99% of the time but would definitely never kill a living thing (especially in the hope that such a killing would bring me good luck!
Hehehe if you had been here a while you would not DARE ask me these questions!
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:56 pm |
Its OK...I respect your lifestyle choice!!!
Problem degil.
1000 apologies if I have been rude.
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:58 pm |
Quoting KeithL: Its OK...I respect your lifestyle choice!!!
Problem degil.
1000 apologies if I have been rude. |
Not at all. I hate hypocrisy too - but I do love a good debate hehe!
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 06:02 pm |
Quoting aenigma x: Quoting KeithL: or have a leather purse, or wear makeup, or use medicine, or eat jello, or eat pudding..... |
Quoting robyn : can i just ask..do u eat meat,or wear leather shoes???? |
"No" to all of them! I use complementary medicine,I dont wear leather, I only use cruelty-free cosmetics and I have a vegetarian diet. I do eat dairy foods if they are organic and free-range. Maybe I sometimes make exceptions, but I live this lifestyle 99% of the time but would definitely never kill a living thing (especially in the hope that such a killing would bring me good luck!
Hehehe if you had been here a while you would not DARE ask me these questions!  |
good 4 you..most people moan about people killing animals or using animals for cosmetic/medical testing but don't refrain from wearing leather etc..nice to see someone who practices what they preach..and no..im not sorry for asking
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 11:05 pm |
Quoting aenigma x: Quoting KeithL: or have a leather purse, or wear makeup, or use medicine, or eat jello, or eat pudding..... |
Quoting robyn : can i just ask..do u eat meat,or wear leather shoes???? |
"No" to all of them! I use complementary medicine,I dont wear leather, I only use cruelty-free cosmetics and I have a vegetarian diet. I do eat dairy foods if they are organic and free-range. Maybe I sometimes make exceptions, but I live this lifestyle 99% of the time but would definitely never kill a living thing (especially in the hope that such a killing would bring me good luck!
Hehehe if you had been here a while you would not DARE ask me these questions!  |
The issue isn't whether you wear leather or eat dairy products from 'free-range'. The simple fact is a human life is NOT equivalent to an animal life. You may feel this way, and while scientist have found similarities linking certain human traits with animal traits and visa versa...they are not the same. There are mammals and then subcategories within clearly marking a distinction. I have studied medicine with nobel prize winners and NOT ONE of them ever taught that animals and humans were the same. Hence if there was such a unification there would be no need for two words. Especially in English, one of the fastest evolving languages in the world. So you can bank on science and linguistics!
While I respect your belief. I have to say that I clearly see errors in it and could never support it. But, I do believe that people should not be intentionally cruel to animals. I feel that humans generally down play the importance of animal diversity and it's impact on our life cycle. And in preserving our environment we should be careful to include animal life as well. I strongly believe that far too many people abuse animals and this is wrong.
So yes. let's not abuse animals and give them respect...but No to putting them on the same value scale as humans.
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 11:10 pm |
Quoting Capoeira: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting KeithL: or have a leather purse, or wear makeup, or use medicine, or eat jello, or eat pudding..... |
Quoting robyn : can i just ask..do u eat meat,or wear leather shoes???? |
"No" to all of them! I use complementary medicine,I dont wear leather, I only use cruelty-free cosmetics and I have a vegetarian diet. I do eat dairy foods if they are organic and free-range. Maybe I sometimes make exceptions, but I live this lifestyle 99% of the time but would definitely never kill a living thing (especially in the hope that such a killing would bring me good luck!
Hehehe if you had been here a while you would not DARE ask me these questions!  |
The issue isn't whether you wear leather or eat dairy products from 'free-range'. The simple fact is a human life is NOT equivalent to an animal life. You may feel this way, and while scientist have found similarities linking certain human traits with animal traits and visa versa...they are not the same. There are mammals and then subcategories within clearly marking a distinction. I have studied medicine with nobel prize winners and NOT ONE of them ever taught that animals and humans were the same. Hence if there was such a unification there would be no need for two words. Especially in English, one of the fastest evolving languages in the world. So you can bank on science and linguistics!
While I respect your belief. I have to say that I clearly see errors in it and could never support it. But, I do believe that people should not be intentionally cruel to animals. I feel that humans generally down play the importance of animal diversity and it's impact on our life cycle. And in preserving our environment we should be careful to include animal life as well. I strongly believe that far too many people abuse animals and this is wrong.
So yes. let's not abuse animals and give them respect...but No to putting them on the same value scale as humans.
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capo cnm..what are ur views on animal testing for medical reasons..not cosmetic.but medical..im interested..
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 11:14 pm |
Quoting Capoeira: So yes. let's not abuse animals and give them respect...but No to putting them on the same value scale as humans. |
I bet if you saw a hungry crocodile or a man eating shark they would think the same thing about us humans
I eat meat etc but I value other people who do not. I see it as a food chain but I agree with not abusing animals
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 11:24 pm |
I really don’t understand your argument Capo. It does not take a study in medicine with “Nobel prize winners†to determine that ALL living creatures are different from each other, not just humans and your collective term “animalsâ€. Is an elephant the same as an ant?!!! No! I fail to see how any amount of medical study draw the conclusion that a human life is WORTH MORE than any other life – except to a selfish human. It is typical human arrogance to think we are more important than every other organism simply because we are more evolved. Humans have more advanced brain power – does this make them more worthy of respect and life? If this is your theory, then when we have finished with animals, your chain of authority would suggest that your NEXT victims of experimentation and abuse would be humans of the lowest intelligence, and after that – perhaps a race that you were particularly not fond of…
There are no errors in my “beliefâ€. A life is something even “nobel prize winners†are unable to create, or understand. They can manipulate the creation of life (as in test tube babies) but they are nowhere near being able to create a life completely. They can understand the biology, but they are unable to create that miracle “spark†which gives something life – even in ant. It is precious and fragile and should be respected, whatever form it takes.
I could go further, but this is not the forum for this debate and I was merely answering the question as to whether or not I wear leather or eat meat.
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 11:35 pm |
Quoting sweet.kane: My friends dad got offered 2 camels for his wife when they were in Turkey. Thats not the first time i heard this! |
Just curious, did he accept the offer?
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13 Dec 2006 Wed 11:43 pm |
Quoting Joey: Quoting sweet.kane: My friends dad got offered 2 camels for his wife when they were in Turkey. Thats not the first time i heard this! |
Just curious, did he accept the offer? |
@ Joey. Having any thoughts/ideas huh?
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 01:27 am |
Quoting sweet.kane: My friends dad got offered 2 camels for his wife when they were in Turkey. Thats not the first time i heard this! |
only 2 camels??!!! man...egyptians offer more...thousands and millions of camels...
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 01:46 am |
Quoting gezbelle: Quoting sweet.kane: My friends dad got offered 2 camels for his wife when they were in Turkey. Thats not the first time i heard this! |
only 2 camels??!!! man...egyptians offer more...thousands and millions of camels... |
actually they have cut down now. My friend's dad was offered 3 camels for her then they said 1, but the funniest thing is, is that my friend said "you just offered 3 camels for me a minute ago! am I only worth 1 now?!!"
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 01:54 am |
Quoting kai: Quoting gezbelle: Quoting sweet.kane: My friends dad got offered 2 camels for his wife when they were in Turkey. Thats not the first time i heard this! |
only 2 camels??!!! man...egyptians offer more...thousands and millions of camels... |
actually they have cut down now. My friend's dad was offered 3 camels for her then they said 1, but the funniest thing is, is that my friend said "you just offered 3 camels for me a minute ago! am I only worth 1 now?!!"  |
wow!! they even bargained her dad down to 1 camel!! must be a recession or something.
i was in egypt only last year...it was hundreds of thousands of camels back then. how times have changed...
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 02:32 am |
Quoting gezbelle: Quoting sweet.kane: My friends dad got offered 2 camels for his wife when they were in Turkey. Thats not the first time i heard this! |
only 2 camels??!!! man...egyptians offer more...thousands and millions of camels... |
Maybe there were a 1000 old camels versus 2-3 Young camels!
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 02:45 am |
Quoting aenigma x: I really don’t understand your argument Capo. It does not take a study in medicine with “Nobel prize winners†to determine that ALL living creatures are different from each other, not just humans and your collective term “animalsâ€. Is an elephant the same as an ant?!!! No! I fail to see how any amount of medical study draw the conclusion that a human life is WORTH MORE than any other life – except to a selfish human. It is typical human arrogance to think we are more important than every other organism simply because we are more evolved. Humans have more advanced brain power – does this make them more worthy of respect and life? If this is your theory, then when we have finished with animals, your chain of authority would suggest that your NEXT victims of experimentation and abuse would be humans of the lowest intelligence, and after that – perhaps a race that you were particularly not fond of…
There are no errors in my “beliefâ€. A life is something even “nobel prize winners†are unable to create, or understand. They can manipulate the creation of life (as in test tube babies) but they are nowhere near being able to create a life completely. They can understand the biology, but they are unable to create that miracle “spark†which gives something life – even in ant. It is precious and fragile and should be respected, whatever form it takes.
I could go further, but this is not the forum for this debate and I was merely answering the question as to whether or not I wear leather or eat meat.
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I was pointing out that there is no sound proof. Neither Evolution nor Creationism supports this argument of equality in worth or value between humans and animals. Maybe sentimental value yes. I know people that love animals more...and for good reason I think in some cases! Creationist believe God wasn't a selfish or arrogant when he gave man dominion over animals. And evolutionists agree that humans have evolved over time to be dominant over animals as well....
Hey, you can believe what you want in your heart I am not trying to change that. I also agree that life is precious. And that animals should be well cared for and respected. I reserve the right to disagree with you regarding equality between human and animal life for the above named reasons.
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 03:37 am |
Quoting gezbelle:
i was in egypt only last year...it was hundreds of thousands of camels back then. how times have changed...
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You've been in Egypt only last year,and you saw men offering women hundreds of thousands of camels to get married ?!
How interesting !
Would be nice if you told me where have you seen,or witness that,so i can have my own share from this nice,and interesting observation!
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 07:23 am |
Quoting CANLI: Quoting gezbelle:
i was in egypt only last year...it was hundreds of thousands of camels back then. how times have changed...
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You've been in Egypt only last year,and you saw men offering women hundreds of thousands of camels to get married ?!
How interesting !
Would be nice if you told me where have you seen,or witness that,so i can have my own share from this nice,and interesting observation!
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why canli? don't you already have an aşkım??
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14 Dec 2006 Thu 05:02 pm |
Whether having Aşkım or not,thats not the issue.
The point is have you really saw Egyptian women marry for camels ?
A Doctor,a lawer,teacher,or an accountant,riding the camel with her bridegroom ?!
Why do you say something not happening ?!
Beside we don't have camels,except at the pyramids area,because its suitable for desert arround it,and tourists like riding them !
We export them!
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 01:09 am |
Quoting CANLI: Whether having Aşkım or not,thats not the issue.
The point is have you really saw Egyptian women marry for camels ?
A Doctor,a lawer,teacher,or an accountant,riding the camel with her bridegroom ?!
Why do you say something not happening ?!
Beside we don't have camels,except at the pyramids area,because its suitable for desert arround it,and tourists like riding them !
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canli i think you misunderstood me. at no point in any of my posts did i say that i "saw Egyptian women marry for camels", or any of the other things that you mentioned. did you see anywhere in my posts that i said those things??
my posts were in reference to sweet.kane's post who said that the friend's dad got offered 2 camels in turkey for his wife's hand in marriage. so my initial post was that in egypt they offer more.
and yes, before you ask i did see and hear men offer camels for hand in marriage whilst i was in egypt.
i would never ever make something up about another country or culture like that.
there was no malice in any of my posts. i think if you followed what i was saying you would probably actually see that i was joking around and not being serious at all.
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 02:11 am |
Yes gezbelle,i understood what you said.
And that is what i was asking about,as you said you've been into Egypt last year,so you know how do we live and how is our country.
And if you say you saw,or heard men offer camels for hand in marriage,its quite strange to me still,,cause its not a common thing even to hear about it here,not only in cities but in the country too!
İf woman got an offer of camels for marrige ,what would she do with it ? park it beside her car ?!
Not saying every woman owns her own car ofcourse,we are not a rich country after all,but camels not normal to see in streets!
Reading your posts,made me feel that we have camels transportations instead of public transportations !
But offering camels for hand of marrige can happen only in Bedwien communities,those are the people who live in the desert,or some who live in Sinai in the mountains.
İ cann't tell you much about it cause i haven't seen any except in TV.
But i guess you know already.
But anyhow,maybe i misunderstood you.
And i guess riding camels would cause less pollution!
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 02:21 am |
somehow i don't think the men were being serious with their offers of camels in return for marriage.
like you said what would the woman do with the camel?
and yes you are right, i didn't see many camels at all...though i did see a truckload of them in aswan, probably heading to the camel market.
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 02:34 am |
Accourding to my knowledge,we export camels from Sudan,thats why maybe you saw this truck in aswan,its very near to Sudan.
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 01:56 pm |
Turkish Class Rule No. 40921. NEVER JOKE ABOUT CAMELS...!
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 07:00 pm |
Quoting aenigma x: Turkish Class Rule No. 40921. NEVER JOKE ABOUT CAMELS...!  |
What's rule number 40920 again? 
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 07:08 pm |
Quoting kai: Quoting aenigma x: Turkish Class Rule No. 40921. NEVER JOKE ABOUT CAMELS...!  |
What's rule number 40920 again?   |
Rule 40920: DONT MESS WITH AENIGMA
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 07:20 pm |
Quoting aenigma x: Quoting kai: Quoting aenigma x: Turkish Class Rule No. 40921. NEVER JOKE ABOUT CAMELS...!  |
What's rule number 40920 again?   |
Rule 40920: DONT MESS WITH AENIGMA  |
Oh i thought that was rule number 1!....so whats rule number 1?
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 07:22 pm |
Quoting kai: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting kai: Quoting aenigma x: Turkish Class Rule No. 40921. NEVER JOKE ABOUT CAMELS...!  |
What's rule number 40920 again?   |
Rule 40920: DONT MESS WITH AENIGMA  |
Oh i thought that was rule number 1!....so whats rule number 1?  |
Don't mess with Aenigma, of course. How can you forget that?
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15 Dec 2006 Fri 09:27 pm |
Rule No. 1? Dont mess with the Poetry, Turkish or News and Announcements Forums...... ops !
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 01:22 pm |
Quoting aenigma x: Quoting kai: Quoting aenigma x: Turkish Class Rule No. 40921. NEVER JOKE ABOUT CAMELS...!  |
What's rule number 40920 again?   |
Rule 40920: DONT MESS WITH AENIGMA  |
cos she is messy enough elisa pls add here one photo of that nasty blondie
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 01:23 pm |
Quoting ramayan: cos she is messy enough elisa pls add here one photo of that nasty blondie  |
Ok enough! This is persecution
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 01:24 pm |
Quoting ramayan: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting kai: Quoting aenigma x: Turkish Class Rule No. 40921. NEVER JOKE ABOUT CAMELS...!  |
What's rule number 40920 again?   |
Rule 40920: DONT MESS WITH AENIGMA  |
cos she is messy enough elisa pls add here one photo of that nasty blondie  |
Sorry dear, I'm not gonna do that or she'll need guidance herself
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 01:25 pm |
Quoting aenigma x: Quoting ramayan: cos she is messy enough elisa pls add here one photo of that nasty blondie  |
Ok enough! This is persecution  |
Hadi, don't start that pouting thing again because I can't stand it
This is for you
Now continue working
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 01:27 pm |
Quoting aenigma x: Quoting ramayan: cos she is messy enough elisa pls add here one photo of that nasty blondie  |
Ok enough! This is persecution  |
ok ok i shut my ...mouth
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 01:27 pm |
Pouting thing???!!! Ok boss, I will do some work now!
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 01:29 pm |
Quoting aenigma x:
I will do some work now! |
So will I
Been postponing it for 2 hrs now
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16 Dec 2006 Sat 01:32 pm |
Quoting Elisa: Quoting aenigma x:
I will do some work now! |
So will I
Been postponing it for 2 hrs now  |
Offffffff its hard on Saturdays . I am working alone here. However...I am on TC, I have the Hives playing LOUD and have been creating all my colleagues on WeeWorld.com
Hehehe its so funny!
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