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19 Dec 2006 Tue 07:03 pm |
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one of the most known TV channel in USA (PBS) broadcasted a documantary about Armenian assertion about Ottoman Turkey.this programme supports Armenian assertions coz it s financed by Armenians. the armenian lobby prevented turkish historians to debate on TV. if you want them allow different wievs to debate this film, join vote.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12412125
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 08:07 pm |
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Oh my everybody just hates Turkey, don't they? I can't believe such a big tv station can be so narrowminded. 
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 09:32 pm |
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I dont think everybody hates Turkey but a narrow minded media who act like judge and jury without trial...............
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 09:41 pm |
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yes it is narrow minded media but ,media plays very important role in every subject in addition these many of western medias just present bad advertisements about Turkey all the time.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 09:41 pm |
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Quoting libralady: I dont think everybody hates Turkey but a narrow minded media who act like judge and jury without trial............... |
Yes of course I didn't mean literally, it's just that I have seen so much anti-Turkish things lately it's tiring to defend it all the time. 
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 10:23 pm |
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in some countries, Turkey is shown as a radical and anti-democratic country. most of TV programmes in this direction. Turkey's policy about historical events is very clear. "History must be disccused by historians and speciaist about a subject, not by politicians". these one sided programmes turns other societies against Turkey. Im proud of my history like all turkish people.
"Come, come over, more over, how long this brigandage? As you are me and I am you. How long this discrimination of you and I?
We are light of GOD! Why this separation among us? Why light escapes from light? We are all from the same yeast, our brains and heads too. But under this bowed sky we see double…" Mevlana
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 10:32 pm |
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Quoting azade: Oh my everybody just hates Turkey, don't they? I can't believe such a big tv station can be so narrowminded. |
I don't think everybody hates Turkey, but Armenians probably do. Also, I don't think that the tv is narrow-minded, does tv have a mind? However, tv (media) are part of political propaganda and they air whatever is suitable with their political agenda.
By the same token, Turkish tv and newspapers are political and one-sided as well, but they write/show things that are suitable with their own plans (obviously opposite to Armenians' opinions). So please, don't give me the impression that you really believe that everybody is against the innocent Turkey.
At the same time, I want to say that I'm not supporting either Armenians or Turks. Neither of these two tries to be honest.
By the way - this is the actual article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12397821/
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 10:44 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting azade: Oh my everybody just hates Turkey, don't they? I can't believe such a big tv station can be so narrowminded. |
I don't think everybody hates Turkey, but Armenians probably do. Also, I don't think that the tv is narrow-minded, does tv have a mind? However, tv (media) are part of political propaganda and they air whatever is suitable with their political agenda.
By the same token, Turkish tv and newspapers are political and one-sided as well, but they write/show things that are suitable with their own plans (obviously opposite to Armenians' opinions). So please, don't give me the impression that you really believe that everybody is against the innocent Turkey.
At the same time, I want to say that I'm not supporting either Armenians or Turks. Neither of these two tries to be honest.
By the way - this is the actual article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12397821/ |
yes they dont hate Turkey,they hate Turkish DD
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 10:49 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting azade: Oh my everybody just hates Turkey, don't they? I can't believe such a big tv station can be so narrowminded. |
I don't think everybody hates Turkey, but Armenians probably do. Also, I don't think that the tv is narrow-minded, does tv have a mind? However, tv (media) are part of political propaganda and they air whatever is suitable with their political agenda.
By the same token, Turkish tv and newspapers are political and one-sided as well, but they write/show things that are suitable with their own plans (obviously opposite to Armenians' opinions). So please, don't give me the impression that you really believe that everybody is against the innocent Turkey.
At the same time, I want to say that I'm not supporting either Armenians or Turks. Neither of these two tries to be honest. |
not all armanians hate Turkey. but they use Armenians agains us. like they use South Cyprus for preventing turkey's EU membership. if you cant see these, you are narrow minded like them too. Rules, aggrements, politics always changes for Turkey. if there is some problems between Turkey and any country, it s for us not for them.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 10:54 pm |
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Quoting janissary: not all armanians hate Turkey. but they use Armenians agains us. like they use South Cyprus for preventing turkey's EU membership. if you cant see these, you are narrow minded like them too. Rules, aggrements, politics always changes for Turkey. if there is some problems between Turkey and any country, it s for us not for them. |
Look, if someone doesn't agree with you and gives you a reason for that and you get all upset and call that person narrow-minded, then it's you who's narrow-minded. Instead of calling me narrow-minded, give me a mature answer or don't talk in this forum.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:01 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting janissary: not all armanians hate Turkey. but they use Armenians agains us. like they use South Cyprus for preventing turkey's EU membership. if you cant see these, you are narrow minded like them too. Rules, aggrements, politics always changes for Turkey. if there is some problems between Turkey and any country, it s for us not for them. |
Look, if someone doesn't agree with you and gives you a reason for that and you get all upset and call that person narrow-minded, then it's you who's narrow-minded. Instead of calling me narrow-minded, give me a mature answer or don't talk in this forum. |
I think janissary gave u an answer,if u dont wanna understand,go and write onanother topic in Forum
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:02 pm |
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I live between east and west. I see both side. I can see different wievs. Turkey is a multi cultured country. you have lots of things to learn from us.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:04 pm |
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hey hey hey...
the only reason they came up with the Armenian Genocide or whatever... is to make people argue...
now tell me... Turkey even hadnt been constructed at those years... 1915...
so tell me, what is the point here? to blame Turkey and its citizens with this?
on the other hand, its being nearly a hundred years since that moving or genoicide they call happened... WE are saying that "blood feud", again what is the point to come up with this...
secondly, those times 1914-1918 is called "World War 1"
if armenians died... Turks died too, british died, slovaks died... it was world war... and it was normal of peoples dying...
the thing is here they are naming it wrongly... thats a shame...
whatever... the thing i want to say here... dont get angry on such nonsense things here...
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:16 pm |
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The language of this forum is English. Please, look at the forum rules.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:20 pm |
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Narrow mindedness works boths ways - we call it "bury your head in the sand". Perhaps we are more exposed to the USA media in the UK and we see how single minded that can be. Yes media can be useful, but it can also be very damaging if it is taken on face value. There is always, yes always another side to a story, and often no one gets to hear that side - like I said "judge and jury"
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:24 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Narrow mindedness works boths ways - we call it "bury your head in the sand". Perhaps we are more exposed to the USA media in the UK and we see how single minded that can be. Yes media can be useful, but it can also be very damaging if it is taken on face value. There is always, yes always another side to a story, and often no one gets to hear that side - like I said "judge and jury" |
absolutely, that's exactly my point. that's why i'm sceptical about the turkish story as well.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:27 pm |
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catwoman,
yes u can be one of the admins of the web site...but here is Turkish Class and Turkish must be official in forums as well.then it is not good behavior to delete all turkish post.I didnt curse any one or used any bad post...Im here to help turkish learners and disscuss subject...ok?
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:28 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting libralady: Narrow mindedness works boths ways - we call it "bury your head in the sand". Perhaps we are more exposed to the USA media in the UK and we see how single minded that can be. Yes media can be useful, but it can also be very damaging if it is taken on face value. There is always, yes always another side to a story, and often no one gets to hear that side - like I said "judge and jury" |
absolutely, that's exactly my point. that's why i'm sceptical about the turkish story as well. |
if you are sceptical, read turkey history written by different views. you wont lose many things.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:32 pm |
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I am forever the sceptic and I questions everything - nothing is black and white
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:37 pm |
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Quoting janissary: Quoting catwoman: Quoting libralady: Narrow mindedness works boths ways - we call it "bury your head in the sand". Perhaps we are more exposed to the USA media in the UK and we see how single minded that can be. Yes media can be useful, but it can also be very damaging if it is taken on face value. There is always, yes always another side to a story, and often no one gets to hear that side - like I said "judge and jury" |
absolutely, that's exactly my point. that's why i'm sceptical about the turkish story as well. |
if you are sceptical, read turkey history written by different views. you wont lose many things. |
your history books are quite modified, just go check it with other sources.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:37 pm |
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i believe that thats a dirty game of some politicians,and some intellectuals who feeding with hate.They trying to keep their postions with this sort of enemies...and i believe there are many Armenian friends who bored with that
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:39 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: i believe that thats a dirty game of some politicians,and some intellectuals who feeding with hate.They trying to keep their postions with this sort of enemies...and i believe there are many Armenian friends who bored with that |
Yes, but can you be more specific please?
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:39 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting janissary: Quoting catwoman: Quoting libralady: Narrow mindedness works boths ways - we call it "bury your head in the sand". Perhaps we are more exposed to the USA media in the UK and we see how single minded that can be. Yes media can be useful, but it can also be very damaging if it is taken on face value. There is always, yes always another side to a story, and often no one gets to hear that side - like I said "judge and jury" |
absolutely, that's exactly my point. that's why i'm sceptical about the turkish story as well. |
if you are sceptical, read turkey history written by different views. you wont lose many things. |
your history books are quite modified, just go check it with other sources. |
catwoman ,
u seemed fanatic, or you think that u know everything.try to be open all kind of opinion.how u says that our history were modified.tell us a evidence?
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:43 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting catwoman: Quoting janissary: Quoting catwoman: Quoting libralady: Narrow mindedness works boths ways - we call it "bury your head in the sand". Perhaps we are more exposed to the USA media in the UK and we see how single minded that can be. Yes media can be useful, but it can also be very damaging if it is taken on face value. There is always, yes always another side to a story, and often no one gets to hear that side - like I said "judge and jury" |
absolutely, that's exactly my point. that's why i'm sceptical about the turkish story as well. |
if you are sceptical, read turkey history written by different views. you wont lose many things. |
your history books are quite modified, just go check it with other sources. |
catwoman ,
u seemed fanatic, or you think that u know everything.try to be open all kind of opinion.how u says that our history were modified.tell us a evidence? |
well, on top of the fact that i don't care what you think about me, you also sound one sided and uncritical.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:43 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting MrX67: i believe that thats a dirty game of some politicians,and some intellectuals who feeding with hate.They trying to keep their postions with this sort of enemies...and i believe there are many Armenian friends who bored with that |
Yes, but can you be more specific please? |
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:49 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting catwoman: Quoting janissary: Quoting catwoman: Quoting libralady: Narrow mindedness works boths ways - we call it "bury your head in the sand". Perhaps we are more exposed to the USA media in the UK and we see how single minded that can be. Yes media can be useful, but it can also be very damaging if it is taken on face value. There is always, yes always another side to a story, and often no one gets to hear that side - like I said "judge and jury" |
absolutely, that's exactly my point. that's why i'm sceptical about the turkish story as well. |
if you are sceptical, read turkey history written by different views. you wont lose many things. |
your history books are quite modified, just go check it with other sources. |
catwoman ,
u seemed fanatic, or you think that u know everything.try to be open all kind of opinion.how u says that our history were modified.tell us a evidence? |
well, on top of the fact that i don't care what you think about me, you also sound one sided and uncritical. |
Im not uncritical and one sided,Im open to all opinions as USA media doesnt about this topic.wester media,they have never care about historians opinions about it..
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:50 pm |
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So what is the record for quoting quotes?
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:52 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting janissary: Quoting catwoman: Quoting libralady: Narrow mindedness works boths ways - we call it "bury your head in the sand". Perhaps we are more exposed to the USA media in the UK and we see how single minded that can be. Yes media can be useful, but it can also be very damaging if it is taken on face value. There is always, yes always another side to a story, and often no one gets to hear that side - like I said "judge and jury" |
absolutely, that's exactly my point. that's why i'm sceptical about the turkish story as well. |
if you are sceptical, read turkey history written by different views. you wont lose many things. |
your history books are quite modified, just go check it with other sources. |
we dont need to check our books. we have many palaces with full of historical archives in them and places burnt and destroyed by Armenian' gangs. we are talking with documents and inviting all researches to Turkey. even Armenians. we are not writing History with a picture and letter. dont teach us how to write history book. we are a nation who learnt humanity, and love from our ancestors (Hacı Bektaş-i Veli, Mevlana, Yunus Emre, Ataturk and others).
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:54 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: catwoman,
yes u can be one of the admins of the web site...but here is Turkish Class and Turkish must be official in forums as well.then it is not good behavior to delete all turkish post.I didnt curse any one or used any bad post...Im here to help turkish learners and disscuss subject...ok? |
Lapinkulta, the official language of this site is English. Only in translation forums and teaching forums Turkish is used. This site is for English-speaking people to learn about Turkey and to learn Turkish. Read the rules.
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:55 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: i believe that thats a dirty game of some politicians,and some intellectuals who feeding with hate.They trying to keep their postions with this sort of enemies...and i believe there are many Armenian friends who bored with that |
you are absolutely wrong my dear! this question of history must be finalized! it must be finally closed! armenians never will stop calling for justice. (just imagine if instead of armenians it were turks who were genocised! you would behave the same way as armenians if no worse).
when this question comes up again and again turks reject it repeatedly saying that nothing of that took place. then what happent to 1,5mln armenians? have they committed sucide altogether?
you simply cant leave the case without clearing it. it simply wont go away!
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19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:57 pm |
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i think Turkey is a big dream country for many falks and they trying to get a piece from this heaven with the lies of history...and i don't understand why don't any intellectual or politician never talk about Armenian gangs when Turkish people trying to defence their country for the imperialists???
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 12:01 am |
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Quoting MrX67: i think Turkey is a big dream country for many falks and they trying to get a piece from this heaven with the lies of history...and i don't understand why don't any intellectual or politician never talk about Armenian gangs when Turkish people trying to defence their country for the imperialists??? |
Is this a metaphor? I don't understand what you mean by "dream country"??? I was in Turkey and it didn't exactly look like heaven either, so there must be something else you mean by it.
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 12:02 am |
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Armenians our neighbours since deep of history,and some of em an important piece of our people,we lived and we will live with them long years,so none will never destroy Armenian-Turkish friendship with this sort of dirty games and exxegarettions..
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 12:15 am |
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dont forget Azerbaijan...
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 12:19 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting MrX67: i think Turkey is a big dream country for many falks and they trying to get a piece from this heaven with the lies of history...and i don't understand why don't any intellectual or politician never talk about Armenian gangs when Turkish people trying to defence their country for the imperialists??? |
Is this a metaphor? I don't understand what you mean by "dream country"??? I was in Turkey and it didn't exactly look like heaven either, so there must be something else you mean by it. |
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 12:23 am |
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you will talk about friendship and tolerance and next you will incite to next generations with hate,such a big contradiction???
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 12:47 am |
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I didnt even read all the posts in this discussion. I am getting tired of those 'discussions' because they dont fit the meaning I have of discussion. İn a discussion you tell each other your ideas in order to come to a conclusion together. Ofcourse, sometimes you cant get to the same idea, so be it. But the idea is to start open-minded and 'LİSTEN' to wat the other has to say, before you nod your head and say no and try to overflow the other with your own arguments.
If Turks say 'leave it to historians and not to politicians' then just leave it to historians. May they be open-minded and genuine about their knowledge. No nation is without blood on its hands. If I was Turkish or Armenian, in both cases I would not be proud. I wouldnt be proud of my history and I wouldnt be proud of my current behavior.
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 01:01 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I didnt even read all the posts in this discussion. I am getting tired of those 'discussions' because they dont fit the meaning I have of discussion. İn a discussion you tell each other your ideas in order to come to a conclusion together. Ofcourse, sometimes you cant get to the same idea, so be it. But the idea is to start open-minded and 'LİSTEN' to wat the other has to say, before you nod your head and say no and try to overflow the other with your own arguments.
If Turks say 'leave it to historians and not to politicians' then just leave it to historians. May they be open-minded and genuine about their knowledge. No nation is without blood on its hands. If I was Turkish or Armenian, in both cases I would not be proud. I wouldnt be proud of my history and I wouldnt be proud of my current behavior. |
deli kizin
do u know at least a bit of this 'never-ending story'? how can anyone come to a common conclusion over 1.5 mln civillians? have u thought that no historians worked over this case?
i agree with u, no nation is pure. but some nationalists here claim to be the holiest nation under the sun.
and they declare its a heaven to live in. is it? u live there, u live in heaven! 
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 01:28 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: how can anyone come to a common conclusion over 1.5 mln civillians? have u thought that no historians worked over this case? |
1.5 mln? A big lie.
Relocation took place in something like 3 months (let's say 100 days). So if it was true, 1,500,000/100days = 15,000/day. That's quite an effort to bury them every day. The route followed during the journey is known. They must have been buried along that route. Let's say the route was 1000kms again another simple math gives us 1,500,000/1,000km = 1500/km. They must have been buried in masses. They could show us where they buried and we could excavate there instead of talking of some crazy numbers, right? Who do you think have come to a common conclusion? Be more specific.
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 02:11 am |
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Quoting aslan2: Quoting femme_fatal: how can anyone come to a common conclusion over 1.5 mln civillians? have u thought that no historians worked over this case? |
1.5 mln? A big lie.
Relocation took place in something like 3 months (let's say 100 days). So if it was true, 1,500,000/100days = 15,000/day. That's quite an effort to bury them every day. The route followed during the journey is known. They must have been buried along that route. Let's say the route was 1000kms again another simple math gives us 1,500,000/1,000km = 1500/km. They must have been buried in masses. They could show us where they buried and we could excavate there instead of talking of some crazy numbers, right? Who do you think have come to a common conclusion? Be more specific. |
dont use the word "lets say", be more specific.
do u question of killing 15 thousand a day? is it really hard to deal with civillians? i dont consider it is a trouble for soldiers.
from where did u take 1000km? and why are u relating 1000km to 1.500000? i dont see the logic.
sorry, this is not an arguement. this is not an arguement to wash up the guilt.
sorry, i'll have to dig in the libraries again.
this is a very interesting subject, that i had no chance to study never good enough.
btw, have i ever said that someone came to a common conclusion? u havent read the posts carefully, have u?
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 03:10 am |
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Umm - anyone fancy a nice cup of tea now?
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 03:42 am |
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history is always one-sided. i think many people forget that. most history books are usually written from one person's perspective. it is very hard to generally get an unbiased view.
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 03:44 am |
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Quoting aenigma x: Umm - anyone fancy a nice cup of tea now? |
oohhhh...what tea do you have?? i can bring cake!
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 03:49 am |
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Quoting gezbelle: Quoting aenigma x: Umm - anyone fancy a nice cup of tea now? |
oohhhh...what tea do you have?? i can bring cake! |
sis, im drinking spicy coffee now want some?
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 03:58 am |
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Quoting Pizza: Quoting gezbelle: Quoting aenigma x: Umm - anyone fancy a nice cup of tea now? |
oohhhh...what tea do you have?? i can bring cake! |
sis, im drinking spicy coffee now want some? |
I will! I need some, I haven't slept for nearly two days so I could do with some
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 04:04 am |
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Quote: Quote: sis, im drinking spicy coffee now want some? |
I will! I need some, I haven't slept for nearly two days so I could do with some |
sis two days? it's been too long and dont you feel bad? i drink coffee so that i wont feel sleepy coz i didnt sleep too for three days coz i want to enjoy my surroundings here with my family It happens so rare that me and my family can bond like this. And btw, they are sleeping now and i left them and here im at the cafe and just left a note there to read when they woke up.
take care of your health sis
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20 Dec 2006 Wed 04:11 am |
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Quote: Quote: Quoting Pizza: sis, im drinking spicy coffee now want some? |
I will! I need some, I haven't slept for nearly two days so I could do with some |
sis two days? it's been too long and dont you feel bad? i drink coffee so that i wont feel sleepy coz i didnt sleep too for three days coz i want to enjoy my surroundings here with my family It happens so rare that me and my family can bond like this. And btw, they are sleeping now and i left them and here im at the cafe and just left a note there to read when they woke up.
take care of your health sis
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I don't think I will be able to sleep for a little while more just yet. Its the second worst time I havent been able to sleep or eat
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