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Sad news from Turkey
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:06 pm |
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Quoting CARTEL: n we r vry sad for hrat dink he is vry important person for turkey he always wanted goodness of turkey allah rahmet eylesin |
I agree with you for the first time. It's very sad when someone dies because of their opinions.
Did you see my post #64?
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:07 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting aenigma x: Sui your pacifist, "say nothing, do nothing attitude speaks volumes". If you don't like what is being written then why not express your opinion instead of sitting on the fence and accepting always the status quo? |
what will you gain with discussing these things??
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:08 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting aenigma x: Sui your pacifist, "say nothing, do nothing attitude speaks volumes". If you don't like what is being written then why not express your opinion instead of sitting on the fence and accepting always the status quo? |
what will you gain with discussing these things??
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Well, in my particular case, I have gained an insight into the racist attitudes of SOME Turkish people. I never tire of hearing people's opinions... |
What are you doing here is not a discussion at all... just fight like cats and dogs do...
azade called a region in Turkey as "kurdistan" which she probably heard where she lived as she mentioned...
and i tried to explain that Turkey doesnt have such area...
is there any book in the schools in those places have a map which seperates Turkey more than 7 regions?
nobody is seperating noone here...
as a member of this site, i have to mention that i dont like such conversations...
we are not politicians to talk such things... its easy to type here... and set up a country and win a war...
a journalist was murdered - a sad event - but look where we are now...
you are doing enough with voting politicians which you believe that they defend your points of view...
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:12 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: as a member of this site, i have to mention that i dont like such conversations...
we are not politicians to talk such things... its easy to type here... and set up a country and win a war...
you are doing enough with voting politicians which you believe that they defend your points of view... |
Politics is not only for politicians!!  Politics is life. Its about how much money you have in your pocket. It is about how you are treated on a daily basis, it is about everything which affects your life. Lately, it is even about life and death. How can you say we should not discuss it?
Perhaps if more people DID discuss all aspects of politics, we would not be in a position where inept and war-mongering politicians are voted to represent us.
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:19 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Politics is not only for politicians!! Politics is life. Its about how much money you have in your pocket. It is about how you are treated on a daily basis, it is about everything which affects your life. Lately, it is even about life and death. How can you say we should not discuss it?
Perhaps if more people DID discuss all aspects of politics, we would not be in a position where inept and war-mongering politicians are voted to represent us. |
ok i will say one by one and clearly
i saw azade's post earlier and didnt want to mention anything to cause more problems as we had right now...
HERE Turkish Class website is not a place for discussing about politics...
you go and manage a meeting with your politicians and you offer them your thoughts
just as i do here in my university... see i am DOING sth...
with duscissing here with a number of members who are mostly foreigners you cant reach anywhere...
the point is here the MURDER of Hrant Dink, which is sad loss...
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:22 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting aenigma x: Politics is not only for politicians!! Politics is life. Its about how much money you have in your pocket. It is about how you are treated on a daily basis, it is about everything which affects your life. Lately, it is even about life and death. How can you say we should not discuss it?
Perhaps if more people DID discuss all aspects of politics, we would not be in a position where inept and war-mongering politicians are voted to represent us. |
ok i will say one by one and clearly
i saw azade's post earlier and didnt want to mention anything to cause more problems as we had right now...
HERE Turkish Class website is not a place for discussing about politics...
you go and manage a meeting with your politicians and you offer them your thoughts
just as i do here in my university... see i am DOING sth...
with duscissing here with a number of members who are mostly foreigners you cant reach anywhere...
the point is here the MURDER of Hrant Dink, which is sad loss... |
There was no need to repeat your post, I understood what you were saying CLEARLY  . The murder of Hrant Dink is a very very sad loss. You are discussing politics at university? Good for you - so?
You are right Sui - lets just keep this site for sentimental poetry and romantic translations!
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:23 pm |
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Also I'd like to defend myself that the area is called Kurdistan in many other countries and it's been that for years and years, and you can in fact find maps with the name on it. My sister even had a project in school called "Kurdistan".
If old-fashioned nationalists can't handle it, it's not my problem. Denying its existance doesn't do any good, as we have seen in recent history.
Calling a geographical region "Kurdistan" is not negative or anti-turkish in any way, it's simply because of coneniency as the kurdish people is devided between Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria (roughly).
I'd not be surprised if it's only the countries in question who doesn't call it Kurdistan.
But anyhow, this is clearly the wrong place to discuss it, and if anyone have any further questions feel free to PM me.
I don't understand what all the fuss is about, I didn't even know that it's not called Kurdistan in Turkey nowadays. It's 2007 afterall.
Sui is obviously right about discussing politics here. Sad that it has to be that way, really.
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:33 pm |
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You can discuss anything... i am not against to that...
But obviously you are having no more than fights here, instead of learning things from eachother...
i also didnt like the way CARTEL-please dont offend but what you are doing is wrong aswell- discusses it here...
and azade... here the word you used "Kurdistan" is known as a country is wanted to be set up in those region...
not as that where mostly Kurdish people live...
and i am sure you were aware of that... and you would better simply mention the city you were living...
I am not against the discussion... I am against to such nonsense discussions goes nowhere...
And i believe romantic poetry translations and those translation requests are much better that this...
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:38 pm |
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I understand what you mean Sui. Maybe it was simply my mistake to think that after the relative peace on the subject along with kurdish culture and language being accepted more, it would be okay to say Kurdistan. Maybe in 10 years from now.
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:40 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: You can discuss anything... i am not against to that...
I am not against the discussion... I am against to such nonsense discussions goes nowhere...
And i believe romantic poetry translations and those translation requests are much better that this...
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Political arguments will never "go anywhere" - they will never be resolved, but I love to hear points of view and I DO believe people learn from them. If there was a solution to political argument, there would be no such thing as opposing politicans  !
In addition, your point of view and mine about what you like to see on TC is also a "pointless discussion"
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20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:52 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Political arguments will never "go anywhere" - they will never be resolved, but I love to hear points of view and I DO believe people learn from them. |
I agree, so do I. But a healthy discussion about politics is a strange phenomenon here on TC. I guess you'll just have to accept that if you want to discuss politics, you'll have to go somewhere else. I hate to admit it, but I've given up long ago.
Sad to see what this thread has turned into again..
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