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Constructing a sentence - 3
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04 Dec 2005 Sun 07:17 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris:
but in turkish: "Dün akşam bana hoş bir aksam yemeği pişirdğin için teşekkür ederim" |
Oh dear......
Your answer has made me more confused :-S
- Where does "aksam" come from???
- Why "pişirdğin" and not "pişirdin"???
- What happened to "aşkim"???
- What does "ederim" mean (dictionary says "my pricelist" - but I got caught out with that the other day!)
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04 Dec 2005 Sun 07:30 pm |
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Quoting bod: Quoting SuiGeneris:
but in turkish: "Dün akşam bana hoş bir aksam yemeği pişirdğin için teşekkür ederim" |
Oh dear......
Your answer has made me more confused :-S
- Where does "aksam" come from???
- Why "pişirdğin" and not "pişirdin"???
- What happened to "aşkim"???
- What does "ederim" mean (dictionary says "my pricelist" - but I got caught out with that the other day!) |
bod he must have forgotten aşkım...but
akşam means evening
için means for
pişirdiğin bcos pişir-di-ğ-in (di)to express past time....(Ğ use to connect wovels....(in) to express who did cooking.....
teşekkur etmek means being thankful to someone....i hope u c something...i cant tell very well...
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| 12. |
04 Dec 2005 Sun 07:41 pm |
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ok ok! as i am using more than turkish.. becoz of my school.. i am havins some misstypes so dont worry.. yeah akşam must be gece and you can put aşkım after teşekkür ederim teşekkür ederim means thank you... more formal and gentle way of teşekkürler.. bla bla bla
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| 13. |
04 Dec 2005 Sun 07:44 pm |
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Quoting ramayan: teşekkur etmek means being thankful to someone.... |
OK - but what is wrong with "Teşekkürler aşkim"
How does Teşekkürler change to Teşekkür???
I assume you mean Teşekkür and not Teşekkur!
Sorry - but I am really struggling to understand here 
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| 14. |
04 Dec 2005 Sun 07:50 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: ok ok! as i am using more than turkish.. becoz of my school.. i am havins some misstypes so dont worry.. yeah akşam must be gece and you can put aşkım after teşekkür ederim teşekkür ederim means thank you... more formal and gentle way of teşekkürler.. bla bla bla |
Ah!!!
So am I right that there are four forms of saying "Thank you" with different levels of formality.......
sağol
mersi
teşekkür ederim
teşekkürler
The first being the least formal?
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04 Dec 2005 Sun 08:03 pm |
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Bod, the easiest way to make it would be in two sentences.
"Aşkım, sen dün çok hoş bir akşam yemeği pişirdin. Teşekkür ederim."
Honey, last night you cooked a very nice dinner. Thank you.
If you want to thank "becuse" she cooked the dinner this will be another story. Actually you are stepping into one of the most advanced ,issues here. When we want to say "because you cooked the dinner" we can not say it like this in English without adding any suffixes. "because you cooked" will be "pişirdiğin için". "pişirdiğin için" is an adverbial clause of reason.
the soft g (ğ ) is not a buffer letter. In Turkish ğ is never used as a buffer. "pişirdiğin" in the above sentence has this suffix: "-diği". "pişirdiğin" doesnt come from pişirdin. It is one of the suffixes listed in 2 below:
1. Verbal-Adverb (clause) of time:
-dikçe (indikçe)
-diği (gün, zaman, an, vakit, etc) (indiği gün, indiği zaman, indiği an,...)
-eceği (gün, zaman, an, vakit, etc) (ineceği gün, ineceği zaman, ineceği an,...)
-meden (önce, evvel) (inmeden önce)
-dikten sonra (indikten sonra)
2. Verbal-adverb (clause) of reason:
-diği (için, -nden, -nden dolayı ) (indiği için, indiğinden, indiğinden dolayı )
-eceği (için, -nden, -nden dolayı ) (ineceği için, ineceğinden, ineceğinden dolayı )
3. Verbal-adverb (clause) of comparision:
-dığı gibi (indiği gibi)
-diği kadar (indiği kadar)
-eceği kadar (ineceği kadar)
* diye (indi diye)
I have explained this issue here before:
http://forum.seslisozluk.com/showthread.php?t=6367
It can also be a verbal-adjective with the suffix -dik. But in this case it is placed before a noun like this: "pişirdiğin yemek".
In other words when I say "pişirdiğin yemek" and "yemek pişirdiğin için" the two pişirdiğin here are different things and have different suffixes.
But this is another story. I would suggest simple and shorter senteces for now. For instance make it like this:
"Sen yemek pişirdin. Yemek çok güzel oldu. Teşekkür ederim."
Sounds childish but will help better. Dont bother for now with verbal-adjectives and verbal-adverbs.
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| 16. |
04 Dec 2005 Sun 08:11 pm |
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Be careful what you wish for heheheh 
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| 17. |
04 Dec 2005 Sun 08:14 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting bod: Quoting SuiGeneris: i think i understood what you meant more or less.. can you give it to me in english |
What do you think I am trying to say?????
It is supposed to say:
"Thank you my love for cooking me a nice dinner last night" |
Aga!
i thought "thanks my love you cooked me a dinner last night"
but in turkish: "Dün akşam bana hoş bir aksam yemeği pişirdğin için teşekkür ederim" |
Bod, you're too eager, I think that you want to learn too much in one time!
I think it is very important to know grammar to be able to study a language. But in the sentence above there is a dative case, an accusative case, a past tense... I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but you only started 2 or 3 weeks ago right? You can't expect to be able to construct a sentence like that. I think if you would say to your gf: "Dün akşam yemeği için sana teşekkür ederim/ediyorum", she would understand as well. And native Turkish speakers would too. It's a simple sentence (to be honest, someone here might want to make some corrections, I'm not sure of the "sana" ), but as long as it can make clear what you want to say, it's ok for now, isn't it?
Kendine iyi bak.
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04 Dec 2005 Sun 10:56 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: Bod, you're too eager, I think that you want to learn too much in one time!
I think it is very important to know grammar to be able to study a language. |
erm.....yes - you are right. It is less than two weeks since I started to learn Turkish!!! But I always am too eager - it is one of my biggest failings :-S
However, I chose that sentence to push myself but also thought it would be achievable from what I already know! Clearly I was wrong Perhaps I need to take a few steps back and start constructing simpler sentences!!!
One of the problems I am having is that I cannot find anything simple to read. I've been trying to source some Turkish children's book (the text books that would be found in Turkish schools for young children) so that I can learn that way. But thus far I have been unsuccessful Perhaps I need to purchase a Turkish newspaper and try and read that.......or are there any on-line texts that might be simple enough?????
Thank you everyone for your continuing support and help
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| 19. |
04 Dec 2005 Sun 11:11 pm |
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Are you using some kind of guide to learn Turkish? I mean like a self-study book? I could advise you this: Teach Yourself Beginner's Turkish
It was recommended to me by a girl on TC (Sertab! Neredesin?? ) and I have to say that it helped me a lot. I think it is a great start, it has a book and a cd. The book has easy dialogues that you can start with, and when you feel more comfortable you can go further from there.
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| 20. |
04 Dec 2005 Sun 11:37 pm |
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I agree with Elisa - the book she recommended is really useful! Another book I really liked was "Colloquial Turkish" by Sinan Bayraktaroglu. I think once you get about half way through any text book, it's a good idea to start running another one alongside it. As for children's books - this is a nice idea. I did this, but I got mine dirt cheap in a supermarket in Turkey - which isn't much use to you! But I did once upon a time get a Turkish children's book off Ebay - maybe you could look there? Or perhaps an imaginative Turkish native off this site will write you a story?! Then we could all try to translate it!
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