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1.       catwoman
8933 posts
 31 May 2007 Thu 06:56 pm

I found a pretty good web site, that finally feels like a more objective source with regards to human sexuality.
I would like to share a few paragraphs here:

'In the meantime, this patriarchal system has, of course, been somewhat modified. Some of its worst excesses have been corrected, but, as women well realize, in principle it has survived to this very day. Indeed, it is still defended by many men as 'natural' and inevitable. As proof, they point to a great deal of historical and anthropological evidence which seems to show patriarchy as a universal institution dating back to the earliest ages. However, within the last hundred years this view has repeatedly been challenged by various scholars who claimed that, in some distant past, all of mankind lived under a more benign and humane system of matriarchy ('mother rule'), and that our patriarchal culture is but a sorry deviation from the healthy order of things.

The fight against sexual inequality thus became a fight for a more just, more humane society. By freeing themselves, women would also free their oppressors. This basic feminist belief was, over the years, articulated again and again, but it was perhaps best summarized early in the 19th century by the French social utopist Charles Fourier who had said: 'The degree of emancipation of women is the natural measure of general emancipation.'

In traditionally patriarchal societies any improvement in the status of women has far-reaching consequences and produces fundamental political changes. Therefore it is always resisted by the established powers. However, it seems certain that they will ultimately have to relent, because the emancipation of women is both necessary and desirable. It will provide for a greater degree of social justice and thus benefit everyone. Indeed, from the beginning, the great 'feminists' or champions of women's rights have always insisted that they worked in the interest of the whole human race. The feminist movement therefore has always been a humanist movement. Some of its representatives were reformers, others revolutionaries, but virtually all of them worked for a better, more equitable, and more humane world. Much can be learned from their experiences. They often suffered ridicule, persecution, and defeat, but also won admiration, support, and victory. Gradually, they achieved many of their goals. Their opponents, on the other hand, learned that a just cause cannot be suppressed forever. Where needed reforms are consistently blocked, revolution becomes inevitable.'

The Double Standard

2.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Jun 2007 Fri 03:00 pm

Sorry Catwoman but all this feminist stuff and women rights is getting rather tiresome in my opinion. I think you made your point more than once - some agree and some don't and it seems to cause more arguments than enough.

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Jun 2007 Fri 07:30 pm

Quoting libralady:

Sorry Catwoman but all this feminist stuff and women rights is getting rather tiresome in my opinion. I think you made your point more than once - some agree and some don't and it seems to cause more arguments than enough.


I definitely see your point Libralady, but I didn't think it's THAT bad! I just really liked this web site and wanted to share. I hope there was SOMEBODY who liked it...

4.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 01 Jun 2007 Fri 09:19 pm

the subject of opressed, beaten, murdered women never can be tiresome.
you have two options: you stand up against it or you ignore and pretend things are alright.
the other thing you can be completly blind and deaf so that you dont truly see and hear.

the website has written my mind.
thanks catwoman

5.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 Jun 2007 Fri 11:47 pm

I think what libralady's point "might" have been is that, nobody at this site is in favor of oppressing women. The people that need to hear this message are the ones that don't care. This website might not be that venue is all she is saying. maybe.

6.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 01:17 am

Quoting KeithL:

I think what libralady's point "might" have been is that, nobody at this site is in favor of oppressing women. The people that need to hear this message are the ones that don't care. This website might not be that venue is all she is saying. maybe.


maybe

7.       KeithL
1455 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 05:54 am

8.       libralady
5152 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 12:52 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

the subject of opressed, beaten, murdered women never can be tiresome.
you have two options: you stand up against it or you ignore and pretend things are alright.
the other thing you can be completly blind and deaf so that you dont truly see and hear.

the website has written my mind.
thanks catwoman




What I am staying is that I am tired of seeing the same message continually posted here which then results in an argument.

9.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 04:44 pm

Quoting libralady:



What I am staying is that I am tired of seeing the same message continually posted here which then results in an argument.


simply, dont read.

10.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 04:49 pm

Quoting KeithL:

I think what libralady's point "might" have been is that, nobody at this site is in favor of oppressing women. The people that need to hear this message are the ones that don't care. This website might not be that venue is all she is saying. maybe.


you "maybe" right here 100% AGAIN. and i enjoy reading your posts that are always to the point. may God bless you!
you're right, they dont care.

11.       libralady
5152 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 05:25 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting libralady:



What I am staying is that I am tired of seeing the same message continually posted here which then results in an argument.


simply, dont read.



Simply once again I will do as I please!

Perhaps it would be a good idea if I stopped reading altogether and just left the site like many other have done before, because of the continual bickering and arguing. It is those threads that turn this great site into an unpleasant one.

12.       libralady
5152 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 05:28 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting KeithL:

I think what libralady's point "might" have been is that, nobody at this site is in favor of oppressing women. The people that need to hear this message are the ones that don't care. This website might not be that venue is all she is saying. maybe.



Oh yes, I "might" mean that those people who do not care are not on this site! They are in governments and hold high office somewhere, like China for instance, or Sudan, or Saudia Arabia, bla bla bla bla, not here on Turkish Class (oh did I mention Turkish? well well )

13.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 06:02 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting libralady:



What I am staying is that I am tired of seeing the same message continually posted here which then results in an argument.


simply, dont read.



Simply once again I will do as I please!

Perhaps it would be a good idea if I stopped reading altogether and just left the site like many other have done before, because of the continual bickering and arguing. It is those threads that turn this great site into an unpleasant one.


it almost sounded like a threat, dont be childish, dont act like a little girl who didnt get a doll and therefore now will be upset with others.
many left and many joined. some of them were even heros. some dedicated them posts, some deleted their posts as a protest! how stupid! how childish!
i possibly give a drop of tear when you leave the site. maybe a wish of good luck, too?

14.       panta rei
0 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 07:38 pm

Silence!

15.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 09:49 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting libralady:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting libralady:



What I am staying is that I am tired of seeing the same message continually posted here which then results in an argument.


simply, dont read.



Simply once again I will do as I please!

Perhaps it would be a good idea if I stopped reading altogether and just left the site like many other have done before, because of the continual bickering and arguing. It is those threads that turn this great site into an unpleasant one.


it almost sounded like a threat, dont be childish, dont act like a little girl who didnt get a doll and therefore now will be upset with others.
many left and many joined. some of them were even heros. some dedicated them posts, some deleted their posts as a protest! how stupid! how childish!
i possibly give a drop of tear when you leave the site. maybe a wish of good luck, too?




Boo hoo boo booo hooo where is my rattle

16.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 09:51 pm

Quoting panta rei:

Silence!





Me? Silent? lol No I have have a life outside Turkish class.............

17.       mltm
3690 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 09:55 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:


it almost sounded like a threat, dont be childish, dont act like a little girl who didnt get a doll and therefore now will be upset with others.
many left and many joined. some of them were even heros. some dedicated them posts, some deleted their posts as a protest! how stupid! how childish!
i possibly give a drop of tear when you leave the site. maybe a wish of good luck, too?



On contrary, I find your posts childish. You continously look down on people who do not believe what you believe and attack them by insults pretending that you're the most intelligent person here.

18.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 10:04 pm

Quoting mltm:

Quoting femme_fatal:



pretending .



What a great word!!!!

19.       panta rei
0 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 10:04 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting panta rei:

Silence!





Me? Silent? lol No I have have a life outside Turkish class.............



What? Who? Where? When? and How? :-S

20.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 10:11 pm

Quoting panta rei:

Quoting libralady:

Quoting panta rei:

Silence!





Me? Silent? lol No I have have a life outside Turkish class.............



What? Who? Where? When? and How? :-S



When = most of the time, especially weekends
Where = bars, restaurants, shops, (then there is the boring stuff like housework and gardening)
Who = me and my friends, and husband and family and anyone else who wants to tag along
What = booze, more booze, clothes, food, and not wishing to sound too materialistic
How = jump in my car, foot to the floor, and away I go! Oh and switch off the computer before I go, then there is the fortnights holiday coming up ..............

21.       panta rei
0 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 10:17 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting panta rei:

Quoting libralady:

Quoting panta rei:

Silence!





Me? Silent? lol No I have have a life outside Turkish class.............



What? Who? Where? When? and How? :-S



When = most of the time, especially weekends
Where = bars, restaurants, shops, (then there is the boring stuff like housework and gardening)
Who = me and my friends, and husband and family and anyone else who wants to tag along
What = booze, more booze, clothes, food, and not wishing to sound too materialistic
How = jump in my car, foot to the floor, and away I go! Oh and switch off the computer before I go, then there is the fortnights holiday coming up ..............



Good for you.

22.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 10:36 pm

Quoting mltm:


On contrary, I find your posts childish. You continously look down on people who do not believe what you believe and attack them by insults pretending that you're the most intelligent person here.


how sad i am now, mltm! you made me cry!
you overuse the word "attack"!
the thing is that i do not need to pretend!
i do look down on you, thats true, i dont pretend here either. should i feel guilty for that?
mltm, when you insult people, its absolutely ok, you call it "criticise". would you mind re-analising your own "writtings"? if you're able to?
oh, i should leave this site, mltm "attacks" me, oops sorry, criticises!

23.       mltm
3690 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 10:54 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting mltm:


On contrary, I find your posts childish. You continously look down on people who do not believe what you believe and attack them by insults pretending that you're the most intelligent person here.


how sad i am now, mltm! you made me cry!
you overuse the word "attack"!
the thing is that i do not need to pretend!
i do look down on you, thats true, i dont pretend here either. should i feel guilty for that?
mltm, when you insult people, its absolutely ok, you call it "criticise". would you mind re-analising your own "writtings"? if you're able to?
oh, i should leave this site, mltm "attacks" me, oops sorry, criticises!



hahaha I feel really sorry for you. That's all I can say since I cannot be bothered more with your rubbish posts.

24.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 11:33 pm

Wow, that is unbelievable. Libralady, is this the kind of arguments you didn't like on TC? Surprisingly, you're part of it .

25.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Jun 2007 Mon 11:34 am

Quoting mltm:

hahaha I feel really sorry for you. That's all I can say since I cannot be bothered more with your rubbish posts.


admirable attitude... one to look up to... or yet another example of the hypocrisy of the preacher

26.       libralady
5152 posts
 04 Jun 2007 Mon 12:40 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Wow, that is unbelievable. Libralady, is this the kind of arguments you didn't like on TC? Surprisingly, you're part of it .



And precisely who am I supposed to be arguing with? Making a couple of statements does not constitute an argument, and having a joke about life outside TC...... ??

27.       mltm
3690 posts
 04 Jun 2007 Mon 12:43 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting mltm:

hahaha I feel really sorry for you. That's all I can say since I cannot be bothered more with your rubbish posts.


admirable attitude... one to look up to... or yet another example of the hypocrisy of the preacher



I don't mind whether you find my attitude admirable or not. On this forum, no one needs admiration or approval of one another. I don't know why but some people believe that they have that qualification.

28.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 04 Jun 2007 Mon 08:31 pm

well,
miss naive (or better miss week-submissive), and ms MARATHON and mr TC clown, do you three have anything to share on the subject of "double standards" or not?
wanna insult me personally? send pm.
have nothing to say constructive? bugger off!

29.       libralady
5152 posts
 04 Jun 2007 Mon 09:50 pm

Sadly I have just counted 6 contributors to this thread, Femme you are one of them so what do you class yourself as? Assuming I am Miss Naive I am flattered lol Well that is enough childishness for one day.........

30.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 04 Jun 2007 Mon 09:58 pm

Quoting libralady:

Sadly I have just counted 6 contributors to this thread, Femme you are one of them so what do you class yourself as? Assuming I am Miss Naive I am flattered lol Well that is enough childishness for one day.........


you have just confirmed your intillegence level (which is childish). you seriously go for another eye test, dear.
i was speaking of 3 people here, you're ms marathon, i dont call elder women miss. are you still flattered?

31.       mltm
3690 posts
 04 Jun 2007 Mon 11:55 pm

And you're what femme fatal?
Whatever you're I prefer to be the opposite, if you're the intelligent here, I am very happy to be the stupid lol

32.       mltm
3690 posts
 05 Jun 2007 Tue 12:00 am

Quoting femme_fatal:


wanna insult me personally? send pm.
have nothing to say constructive? bugger off!



Since you prefer the forums to openly insult people, it's strange that you prefer the others nsult you by pm. And I don't need to insult anyone to feel myself superior like you. That's what you do.

Since you're here, have you been constructive? In fact, I wonder why you're on a Turkish forum. Any forum would do for you.

33.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 05 Jun 2007 Tue 12:17 am

Quoting mltm:

Quoting femme_fatal:


wanna insult me personally? send pm.
have nothing to say constructive? bugger off!



Since you prefer the forums to openly insult people, it's strange that you prefer the others nsult you by pm. And I don't need to insult anyone to feel myself superior like you. That's what you do.

Since you're here, have you been constructive? In fact, I wonder why you're on a Turkish forum. Any forum would do for you.


dear miss naive, good evening!
do you have anything to add here, except insulting me (oops sorry, "criticising" me)?
or your mind is empty at such topics? or have you read the article at all?

34.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 05 Jun 2007 Tue 12:18 am

Quoting mltm:

I am very stupid lol


i do support this idea.

35.       mltm
3690 posts
 05 Jun 2007 Tue 12:51 am

Quoting femme_fatal:


dear miss naive, good evening!
do you have anything to add here, except insulting me (oops sorry, "criticising" me)?
or your mind is empty at such topics? or have you read the article at all?



This topic is not a new topic. You didn't invent it. They're known things, I like reading articles and on the net there are thousands of these on this subject. I do not find anything new and interesting in this article.

36.       catwoman
8933 posts
 05 Jun 2007 Tue 05:33 am

Quoting mltm:

This topic is not a new topic. You didn't invent it. They're known things, I like reading articles and on the net there are thousands of these on this subject. I do not find anything new and interesting in this article.


Sadly, I thought you'd be the one to benefit from this article most with your less then admirable standards. Anyway, I don't have time to talk to a brick wall!

37.       libralady
5152 posts
 05 Jun 2007 Tue 11:09 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting libralady:

Sadly I have just counted 6 contributors to this thread, Femme you are one of them so what do you class yourself as? Assuming I am Miss Naive I am flattered lol Well that is enough childishness for one day.........


you have just confirmed your intillegence level (which is childish). you seriously go for another eye test, dear.
i was speaking of 3 people here, you're ms marathon, i dont call elder women miss. are you still flattered?



Actually I prefer Ms Marathon, as it confirms, I have much more energy than you young whipper snappers!

38.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 Jun 2007 Tue 12:17 pm

I'd like to qualify myself here as 'Miss-I cant believe it'.


This thread and nearly ALL of its post have gone completely absurd and don't make any human sense at all.

39.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 05 Jun 2007 Tue 07:22 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

I'd like to qualify myself here as 'Miss-I cant believe it'.


This thread and nearly ALL of its post have gone completely absurd and don't make any human sense at all.


why do i agree with you?
just have a look at a bunch of children here who joined the forum and had nothing to say about the double standards, except idiotic insults.

40.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 05 Jun 2007 Tue 07:30 pm

Quoting mltm:

Quoting femme_fatal:


dear miss naive, good evening!
do you have anything to add here, except insulting me (oops sorry, "criticising" me)?
or your mind is empty at such topics? or have you read the article at all?



This topic is not a new topic. You didn't invent it. They're known things, I like reading articles and on the net there are thousands of these on this subject. I do not find anything new and interesting in this article.


if you were not aiming to take part in this discussion why did you join the forum?

thank you for informing me that i didnt start the topic, does it then forbid me to remind you the title of the topic? if you could not find anything interesting in the article, you just simply inform us of your naive opinion, instead of "criticising" poor femme.
what a shame!

41.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 12 Jul 2007 Thu 11:08 pm

some standards some strange people have somewhere:
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Politics/?id=1.0.1101323208

"Tehran, 12 July (AKI) - Twenty one women have been arrested in the Iranian city of Ghazvin, 100 km north of Tehran, since 21 May and 3,264 reported to the authorities for failing to respect strict Islamic dress codes, police officials said Thursday.

Local police also said that about 100 shops including internet cafes, restaurants, hairdressers' and clothing boutiques were fined and shut down for numbering among their clients women who were not dressed according to the strict new rules which became effective on 27 April.

Police in Tehran say that only in the first week since the rules were implemented, officials stopped 2,198 women and 91 men whose attire was deemed unfit. Of these, 213 women and 12 men were taken to police stations and formally charged.

They will have to face trial and their names were inserted in a new data bank listing 'immoral persons'.

According to the rules, a woman who does not completely cover her hair and body in public can be fined or imprisoned. Men also must wear their hair short and T-shirts and all Western-style clothes are banned."

42.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Dec 2007 Wed 09:22 am

Amazing, Amazing, Amazing!!!!! SOME people should be cloned...

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