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Finally, Turks enter Irak
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 07:18 pm |
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www.cnnturk.com/DUNYA/haber_detay.asp?PID=319&haberID=357994
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19070463/
Hopefully, this is only the start and hope the army ends this problem once and for all!!!
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 07:36 pm |
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What do you want? Second war in Iraq with your neighbors (maaelasaf) 
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 07:48 pm |
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we wanna kill all terrorists who are north of Iraq supported by european and other western countries...This war is not against Iraq's population..it is against terrorism...it is revenge of innocent people who were killed by terrorist attacks..
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 07:52 pm |
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i just saw the news on tv and they havent got into iraq so there has been no Turkish incursion into iraq.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 07:58 pm |
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Anyway , My friend war is war... and means more than killing a group of terrorists... because who is looking for terrorizing has no definite place... America still destroying Iraq and saying it is a war against terrorism!!!!
I hope we can look at this issue much reasonablly and all the people of this area ( the always boiling Volcano: Middle East )can live in peace and love.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:19 pm |
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Quoting elham: What do you want? Second war in Iraq with your neighbors (maaelasaf) |
This war has already killed 30,000 people. We don't want it to start, we want it to finish...
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:21 pm |
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ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Several thousand Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq early Wednesday to chase Kurdish guerrillas who operate from bases there, Turkish security officials said.
Two senior security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, said the raid was limited in scope and that it did not constitute the kind of large incursion that Turkish leaders have been discussing in recent weeks.
"It is not a major offensive and the number of troops is not in the tens of thousands," one of the officials told The Associated Press by telephone. The official is based in southeast Turkey, where the military has been battling separatist Kurdish rebels since they took up arms in 1984.
The officials did not say where the Turkish force was operating in northern Iraq, nor did he say how long they would be there. Both officials are involved in anti-rebel operations, though they did not disclose whether they participated in the planning of the operation on Wednesday.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:32 pm |
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OOOOh , can you believe all what said by international media??? from my personal expirence when I was woking as a translator with Rueters during USA war against Iraq in 2003 I can tell you those Agencies are making up all the news all arround the world, they are trading on the blood of people. No matter for them if thousands of civil people killed or not. The most important is to make War a Devine Trip but no way... Wars always a dirty game.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:42 pm |
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Turkey denies Web site claim of N.Iraq invasion
http://uk.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUKL0692759820070606
ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey's Foreign Ministry and military General Staff on Wednesday denied a Web site report that 50,000 Turkish troops had crossed into northern Iraq to crush Kurdish rebels hiding there.
"This report is not true," a Foreign Ministry source told Reuters.
A General Staff official described the report as "disinformation".
The report, carried on the DEBKAfile Web site, sparked jitters among foreign investors who fear Turkish military action in northern Iraq could harm Turkey's booming economy and relations with the United States.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:45 pm |
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nobody does nothing...no worries
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:52 pm |
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Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:53 pm |
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we are here in turkey and im telling you that dont believe everything you heard
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:54 pm |
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yeah nobody goes to Northern Iraq
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:54 pm |
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Quoting azade: Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country. |
The Iraqi Kurds you mean? Me neither....
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:55 pm |
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Thanks, kurtlovesgrunge, for your nice feeling. I just can add there will be no worries if people against wars became millions day by day on this sick Earth! The earth is dying please think about our kind mother... who want to kill his/her mother??????????????
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:13 pm |
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Sardar,son of my country,i have also examined the source of this news, the news is not true.
:-S our country is bleeding and the news channels broadcasting fabricated stories Want another war Iraq crash ,which most of them are customer to terrorist,encouraging terrorism, and racing to bring the bad news
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:18 pm |
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Quoting azade: Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country. |
I also don't understand why Denmark sent troops to Iraq for instance , other than proving its loyalty to US.
Turkeys possible cross border operations though, is totaly different and legaly and moraly justified.
Acording to UN charter every country has a OBLIGATION of NOT horbouring terrorist groups inside of their country who carry out armed attacks in a neighboring country.
It's evident that Turkey is constantly being attacked by PKK gorups that infiltrate into Turkey and kill its people.Despite constant warnings for several months , neither Iraqi government nor kurdish officials did NOT take any action against them and they keep harbouring and providing a safe haven for them in Northern Iraq.
Article 51 of the UN Charter recognizes the inherent right of self-defense.
In case of :
A- an armed attack is launched, or is immediately threatened, against a state’s territory or forces (and probably its nationals);
B- there is an urgent necessity for defensive action against that attack;
there is no practicable alternative to action in self-defence, and in particular another state or other authority which has the legal powers to stop or prevent the infringement does not, or cannot, use them to that effect;
C- the action taken by way of self-defence is limited to what is necessary to stop or prevent the infringement, i.e. to the needs of defence…
Its not a war against Iraq.What Turkey intends to do is C.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:20 pm |
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I think they are already in.But probably only 10 km or so.Kandil Mountain where most PKK camps are is 120km away.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:35 pm |
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dear Leander we know the war is not a against Iraq ,and Turkey have a right to apply article 51 -c of the UN Charter to defend itself , but we fear the war maybe will continue and include innocent not the terrorists ,as happened in Baghdad
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:37 pm |
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Quoting azade: Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country. |
do iraq citizens (PKK) have right to enter another country and kill innocent people???
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:43 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting azade: Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country. |
The Iraqi Kurds you mean? Me neither.... |
 Those too..I mean there is so much security there, they must have some kind of death wish.
But I was talking about the army as well, it's pretty much the same as the example leander is making below:
Quoting leander:
I also don't understand why Denmark sent troops to Iraq for instance , other than proving its loyalty to US.
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Me neither.
A large part of the population didn't support it either.
As to the rest of your post I understand the point you're making. Surely a country should legally have the right to defend itself if it's being attacked. Still it's not the country of Iraq that's attacking Turkey, and it's not the kurds, it's some terrorists. That's why I think they should do it through a coalition with NATO.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:45 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting azade: Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country. |
do iraq citizens (PKK) have right to enter another country and kill innocent people??? |
No they don't, but they also don't act on behalf of a country.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:57 pm |
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Quoting azade: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting azade: Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country. |
do iraq citizens (PKK) have right to enter another country and kill innocent people??? |
No they don't, but they also don't act on behalf of a country. |
yeah but Iraq did not fullfill its obligation of not harbouring these terrorists groups although they were warned constantly.they didn't raise a finger.
And Turkeys operation will be limited to PKK groups there,they re not gonna wage war agianst Iraq and stay there.So its in complieance with the UN chart.
C-the action taken by way of self-defence is limited to what is necessary to stop or prevent the infringement, i.e. to the needs of defence…
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 12:09 am |
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Quoting leander: Quoting azade: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting azade: Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country. |
do iraq citizens (PKK) have right to enter another country and kill innocent people??? |
No they don't, but they also don't act on behalf of a country. |
yeah but Iraq did not fullfill its obligation of not harbouring these terrorists groups although they were warned constantly.they didn't raise a finger.
And Turkeys operation will be limited to PKK groups there,they re not gonna wage war agianst Iraq and stay there.So its in complieance with the UN chart.
C-the action taken by way of self-defence is limited to what is necessary to stop or prevent the infringement, i.e. to the needs of defence…
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Iraq is a mess right now, they don't have resources to hunt down terrorists. And Saddam was too busy murdering the regular kurds.
But if what the army is doing can be justified through international laws then I'm all for it. The presence of the army in south eastern Turkey, caused by the terrorists of course, is making life a living hell for regular kurds as well.
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 01:14 am |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting azade: Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country. |
do iraq citizens (PKK) have right to enter another country and kill innocent people??? |
(PKK)is not iraq citizens and Kurdish region in Iraq would not tolerate the existence of the PKK
the report of Daily News Turkish said that official high-level Iraqi arrived ankara in an effort to improve bilateral relations between Turkey and the EU. The report said that official high-level Iraqi stressed to the Turkish officials that his party is ready to eliminate all factors that pose a threat to Turkey
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 07:06 pm |
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Quoting elham: dear Leander we know the war is not a against Iraq ,and Turkey have a right to apply article 51 -c of the UN Charter to defend itself , but we fear the war maybe will continue and include innocent not the terrorists ,as happened in Baghdad |
I understand your point elham.I also think that millitary action should be the last resort.There are other cards Turkey can play in the political arena to pressure US and Barzani to cleanse the area from PKK camps and millitants.Like closing Harbur ...and Incirlik if necessary.
But i guess that would take a government with a spine, who doesn't count on US to stay in power.
And azade, its nothing to do with Barzanis not having the resourses to take action against PKK, it has everything to do with not willing to do it.Barzani and Northern Iraq is very rich unlike the rest of Iraq,they get the oil plus a lot of aid for being the only ally of US in Iraq, the whole place is being rebuilt.Barzani even bought the 'Tatilya' which was in Turkey (a mini version of Disneyland) and brought it to Northern Iraq.Go figure.His personal fortune only, is around 2 billion dolars.
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 07:31 pm |
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I dont care about these all.I care about innocent ppl who were killed by PKK...PKK must be destroye by army or other ways...I dont belive in barzani and talabani... When they were in trouble in iraq, Turkey had helped them and their kurdish nation...but I think barzani and talabani hadnt deserved that kind of help and friendship from Turkey in that time..so I started to think that saddam was right to send talabani and barzani,all these ppl out of country...
another point is that, what would happen if an european soldier had been killed by same way...think what have happened after el qaide killed innocent ppl in USA...So thousands were killed in Turkey...!!!!it is our right to show more strict action ..
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 07:41 pm |
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My dear Lapinkulta, you are right about the innocent people... I am a kurd from Iraq and 100% against what PKK doing. Also against all other titles of war and killing civil people. But you are not right about Saddam, Barzani and Talabani.. Because I think they are the devil brothers of the same bloody family.
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 09:20 pm |
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ohhhhhhh, serdar !!!!!!
we all know saddam is the devil himself not son of him
but Barzani and Talabani...........??!!
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 09:54 pm |
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yes,, the lovely daughter of Iraq ... all want to kill the beautiful Baghdad and the beautiful Iraq!!!
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09 Jun 2007 Sat 07:46 pm |
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Serdar you know in Turkey everyrbody hates Kurds because of PKK, people think every kurdish people are PKK terorist. it is nice to see a kurd not supports PKK...
I wish we enter Iraq and kill all PKK terorist.. They have killed more than 30.000 Turkish people. Most of them were baby.
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09 Jun 2007 Sat 08:13 pm |
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Hello, Gececi! what we kill us always in middle-east? We are so backward, not developed. I wish all the people in this area understand each other. Hope a day to talk with you as human beings not divided among Turk, Kurd, Arab , Persian , Turkmen .... Wish we can be friends all not enamy to each other.
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 01:38 pm |
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Why dont turkey just enter and kill terrorists? It would be peace. Turkey has strong army.
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