Quoting azade:

I'm a happy example

But I'd never recommend anyone to engage in this kind of relationship, because even if you're both genuine about it, the first years are just an endless struggle. For us it wasn't so much because of cultural differences, we coped with that pretty quickly, it's problems that our respective countries throw at us constantly. I'm danish but we have to live in either Sweden or Germany for the years to come, because they don't allow us to live in my home country but I need an education and there's no way we, as students, could support ourselves in Turkey.
So my advice to everyone would be..don't even think about entering this kind of relationship. Too many problems.
Personally I'm really happy with the way things turned out but generally speaking the success rate is so low, so.

Quoting MelekUK:

So what happened? Are you now together? I'm glad everything worked out good for you in the end!

Quoting gezbelle:

why only sweden or germany?

and why don't they allow you both to live in denmark??

Quoting azade:

Quoting MalatyaGirl:

But at the end of the day, you can't choose who you fall for. You just have to do what you can and make the most of it!

Quoting gezbelle:

wow! that's kinda crap. and 28 is a pretty wierd number that they chose for this law.

does this law only affect turkish immigrants to denmark? or other nationalities as well??

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting azade:

It applies to everyone. The government states that it's to reduce the amount of arranged marriages, but really they just want to keep all foreigners out of the country. The EU has critizised the law countless times because it's discriminating but the government doesn't care whatsoever.

Quoting reBooped:

....Ghost...may I ask, do you speak from experience?

Quoting azade:

Then that explains your pessimism and generalization Ghost. I never had a holiday romance and always try to discourage people from that because ..well DUH. You couldn't have cared to read my opening post before making such a harsh (false) accusation?

And the law I'm referring to has nothing to do with turks (or other nationalities) wanting to use a fake marriage as an excuse to move to european countries. The purpose of that law (which only Denmark has by the way) is to help (mainly) muslim women who are forced into marrying someone they don't know.

Quoting azade:

I never had a holiday romance and always try to discourage people from that because ..well DUH.

Quoting Ghost:

Discriminating?...no realistic! The fact is that many of you naive silly girls are bewitched by a few romantic words on holiday uttered by serial-sex tourist workers and import unskilled Turkish men into other countries who leave you within a year and are free to enjoy their new residency

Now shout at me that I generalize! Yes! Tell me its not just Turkish men! Then tell me why its only Turkish tourist workers who do this?

Quoting azade:

The purpose of that law (which only Denmark has by the way) is to help (mainly) muslim women who are forced into marrying someone they don't know.

Quoting Ghost:

It seems you took my post too personally Azade! Oh well, we have a saying here...if the cap fits, wear it

Quoting Ghost:

Thats very public spirited of you! And how do you discourage people from such actions? Do you patrol the resorts with a megaphone warning of the dangers of evil Turkish tourist workers?

You never had a holiday romance? Aww poor thing Dont take it personally ya!

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Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

denmark in a pair with holland
with the help of france and germany
in the company of uk must vanish
die naturally.
and thank God they are indeed dying!
its time to say adiue, goodbye
to the western europe!
zombies belong to the grave yard!

Quoting Ghost:

Then tell me why its only Turkish tourist workers who do this?

Quoting femme_fatal:

i donno anything like EUROVISION SONG CONTEST!
spooky!
it must be called eurozombia bazar show!

Quoting azade:

What does that make you? A formerly oppressed eastener with too much freedom all the sudden? (I don't actually believe or mean that but neyse go with the flow they say)
Maybe you should look into the matter before making such a hovering remark.
Take a look at the big picture and don't let hate or jealousy blind you.

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Quoting Ghost:

It must be great for the Turkish economy, so let's not complain too much. Perhaps the next Turkish tourism advertisement should show waiters uttering "seni seviyorum" to customers

Quoting Ghost:

It must be great for the Turkish economy, so let's not complain too much. Perhaps the next Turkish tourism advertisement should show waiters uttering "seni seviyorum" to customers

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting azade:

I'm just really tired of everyone jumping my case, and please don't deny that's not the case. If you have any problems with me you're welcome to drop a line because this is tiring and extremely immature.

Quoting Ghost:

It must be great for the Turkish economy, so let's not complain too much. Perhaps the next Turkish tourism advertisement should show waiters uttering "seni seviyorum" to customers

Quoting Ghost:

Quoting azade:

I admit that's true but you should have been around a couple of weeks ago. It seems I'm a master at being misunderstood vallahi. Neyse I have nothing against anyone here and always up for a good laugh but it's so hard to sense the tone on the internet.
Wishing a good night to everyone

Quoting azade:

femme_fatal I know you're capable of doing much more than nodding, so why don't you do it.

catwomen I hope you know that what I wrote was sarcastic. It has no validity just as what you wrote didn't either.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting mltm:

I'd say men are men everywhere

Quoting mltm:

And if I went to Greece or Italy to pass my holiday, I'd probably meet men there who chase me

Quoting Ghost:

All a bit naive Meltem . Find me a website on this wonderful world wide web with similar requests for translations to another language

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting mltm:

Quote:

Quoting mltm:

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Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

thats why nobody takes you serious, because you usually dont know what you're talking about (you live with your illusions).
btw, didnt one (islamic) guy bewitch you already, and its over now? i presume he was from greece or italy?

Quoting mltm:

- being hot and exotic (knowing how to steal the hearts of the europeans )

Quoting mltm:

And I see that you really like putting your nose into the personal matters of people. Never mind, no he was algerian, and why do you label someone as "islamic" when someone practises his religion which is İslam? You do this to christians as well? Ah no, you look down on just Muslims who practice their religions.

Quoting femme_fatal:

because he bewitched you. you yourself were telling all about it in the open forum, why are you blaming me dear?
i call him islamic, because he islamized you, he knew you were naive. where are those greeks and italians in your life stories or you dream of them?
oh, you worry about christians? maybe its good? tell me about christians, who are they? are there christians on this earth left? i thought they all existed before this century.
i have already told you, i look down on many narrow-minded including you. should i keep repeating it to you?

Quoting Ghost:

Iyi geceler canim and thank you for giving us a great chance to express our opinionated ideas - believe me there is nothing we love more! Dont change

Quoting femme_fatal:

azade
my advise: stop getting offended so often like a little girl! or just give up, if you cant stand for your points!

noddin? you meant encouraging, agreeing?
well i dont have 138IQ, (sounds like someone wasnt modest) therefore im left only nodding!

Quoting mltm:

You really make me laugh a lot, it's not ironic, you make me laugh.

I'll tell you more about this, but I'm goin to bed now, bonne nuit ma femme fatal

Quoting femme_fatal:

azade,
havent you wished us goodnight?
you definitely need a nice sleep.

Quoting femme_fatal:

azade
you are one of us taking part in a huge mockery. stop moaning.

Quoting azade:

I admit that's true but you should have been around a couple of weeks ago. It seems I'm a master at being misunderstood vallahi. Neyse I have nothing against anyone here and always up for a good laugh but it's so hard to sense the tone on the internet.
Wishing a good night to everyone

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Quoting mltm:

Hey I do not defend them, but I just want to make the situation clear, make a good judgement,I try to uncover the reasons of why there are a lot of such stories with the turkish/kurdish resort workers rather than just labelling them as animals like catwoman did. Now it's better,
- bad economic situations
- worries about getting passport
- having sex in a country where they cannot find a lot of available women
- being hot and exotic (knowing how to steal the hearts of the europeans )
- the hotel managers letting them do this

Quoting libralady:

Can I just say that while European woman and in particular British women, flash their underwear, and get their "tits" out (and I dont mean on the beach) at the slightest encourgement (all witnessed on more than one occasion) and make it blatently obvious that they are willing to have sex with one or more men (in a night) then it is also pretty obvious that this situation is going to be taken advantage of by resort workers.

Quoting Ghost:

Quoting libralady:

Quoting Ghost: Quoting libralady: Can I just say that while European woman and in particular British women, flash their underwear, and get their "tits" out (and I dont mean on the beach) at the slightest encourgement (all witnessed on more than one occasion) and make it blatently obvious that they are willing to have sex with one or more men (in a night) then it is also pretty obvious that this situation is going to be taken advantage of by resort workers. All true! But...why then does this "problem" not exist in other resorts? Are you saying that european women behave differently in other resorts?

Quoting Ghost:

As I said before, please point me in the direction of any other website that has so many lovesick girls asking for translations from english to....spanish, greek, french or italian for example?

Nope, sorry its a unique situation in Turkey

Quoting mltm:

What did I tell you in my previous posts? All the countries you told are all european union countries, tell me do they need an old english woman to get a passport???

And you said that in UK all people know what is waiting them in the turkish resorts, and yet they are being used and deceived by these men?? It's not very logical, I think it's obvious that these women also look for an adventure.
And I don't think that these girls are lovesick as you said, how can a girl be so lovesick just after sleeping one night or spending a week without even a proper english spoken?? This is not love, so you don't need to worry for them so much.

Quoting alameda:

The exploitive love game is nothing new...and it is not unique to Turkey. It happens everywhere, has been going on for thousands of years and will probably continue for as long as humans exist.

Henry VIII how many wives....?
Princess Di married to produce proper heirs...

Noun 1. gigolo - a man who has sex with and is supported by a woman
debauchee, libertine, rounder - a dissolute person; usually a man who is morally unrestrained
lounge lizard, lizard - a man who idles about in the lounges of hotels and bars in search of women who would support him

The reason we get a warped view here is because of the free translation available. I'm quite sure if there were other sites that did the same service done here, you would read about them too.

It is very rare to find a place to get free translations.

Quoting libralady:

It exists in other resorts - believe me! My niece was a rep in Rhode for 3 summers and you should see the photos - it is enough to make your hair curl, and have you not seen the Ibiza Uncovered and Corfu 18-30 holidays on TV?
Plus England............. in any town on a Saturday night you will girls flashing it all about, and I mean ALL!!

And we are supposed to defend this behaviour? Not me!

Quoting catwoman:

How come is everybody to quick point out the "horrible behavior of western women", but defend so fiercely the turkish male scumbags? Are you all worshipers of the female virginity and "men are men" backwardness?

Quoting Ghost:

I absolutely hate the current drink/casual sex culture affecting young women and its a fact that sexually transmitted diseases have increased enormously in the UK in the past 5 years. HOWEVER, the point is Libralady, that these girls are exploiting nobody except themselves. Its their choice.

The Turkish tourist workers are exploiting women and using emotional blackmail for material gain. You simply cannot compare the two! These men spend years sleeping with tourists, exploiting all they can. The "lucky" ones find a naive girl or woman who may provide them with money and/or marry them. Then...the majority end up marrying "a nice Turkish virgin" and probably put her health at risk from his years of sexual disease.

Quoting catwoman:

How come is everybody to quick point out the "horrible behavior of western women", but defend so fiercely the turkish male scumbags? Are you all worshipers of the female virginity and "men are men" backwardness?

Quoting catwoman:

You made a very good point Ghost! However, why isn't there an equal or preferably a louder criticism (since it's a bigger problem) of the MALE drink/casual sex culture? These are double standards!

Quoting mltm:

There was not a generalization of western women. There are millions of western women coming to pass their holidays in Turkey and do not experience anything like this. The morals of these men for sure are very disgusting, if they listened to what the book of İslam said, they would not do so many immoral things (I said this because you noted that they are muslims).

But I usually feel that while you wrongly blame us defending these men, you have a tendancy to protect the women. Most of these women do not have morals either (there must be exceptions), but I do not judge them, it's their lives, they have fun, but they are not victims at all.

Anyway, during summer the natives of these resort cities are not happy to see these people (both men and women) either. I'm happy that I live far away from these places.

As been said, I also want that some measures be taken by the responsables, and these workers work in a more disciplined way.

Quoting Ghost:

Good point . Well...I guess I didn't want to add a THIRD factor into the argument! The MALE drink/casual sex culture has been around a lot longer! The more recent trend for this amongst females means they are vulnerable to sexual assult and, because of the global mysogynistic attitudes, open to more ridicule.

The reason I was only commenting on the females was because it was used as part of the "defence" against those poor, hard done by, innocent Turkish tourist workers

Quoting catwoman:

For one, I am glad that women are drinking and having sex freely, with whomever they want. At least in the western democratic countries, rape is punished and women stand up a little bit for their rights (instead of defending their oppressors). First of all, it brought public debate to these issues (though as we see HERE, it usually refers to women!, but at least some also shed a light on men too). Secondly, some men realized that this attitude is wrong because they finally experienced what it's like to be cheated on or when the woman spends most of the time for her own pleasure. Only positives! As you said, in all that women are not manipulators and liers.

Quoting Ghost:

Well I agree in principle. I would have agreed FULLY with you until a few years ago Catwoman. Until you have SEEN FOR YOURSELF the extent of binge drinking in the UK and the culture it has created, you won't know what I'm talking about. Its unique to the UK as far as I can tell. These are not assertive, confident women doing what the hell they like. These are binge-drinking drunks who play the silly vulnerable girl role to the dominant males in this u-turn in female liberation.

Going out, drinking, making sexual choices for yourself for your own pleasure - IS GREAT. This is another thing entirely. I am pretty sure other UK classmates would agree with me.

Quoting alameda:

My point is that it happens and has taken place in all classes, all cultures and throughout all time. It is about the use of that vulnerability for personal gain with little regard for well being of the object of exploitation

Quoting Ghost:

Quoting mltm:

Quoting libralady:

I agree with MLTM - the women are just as responsbible as the men and whilst there is a supply there will be a demand! And whilst the supply is increasing so will the demand - simple economics!

Quoting bydand:

What I cannot understand is the nastiness in some of the replies.

Quoting bydand:

This thread was started by someone who had a positive experience and wanted to compare notes with people in a similar position when the thread was hijacked by the usual stereotypers. The 2nd and 3rd posts were correct when they said it was impossible to get a balanced view. What I cannot understand is the nastiness in some of the replies.
I have noticed this in other threads as well.

Quoting Capoeira:

You are right. This topic has been written on and discussed to many times! Always with the same results...a huge debate about over-generalızation and the promotion of stereotypes!

Quoting bydand:

when the thread was hijacked by the usual stereotypers

Quoting azade:

While I am personally disgusted by the behaviour of some men and women in these resorts, I think in most of the cases both parts are very much aware of what they are doing. They are playing it like a game - so let them do it and take the consequences.
But at the same time I have seen a few examples of both men and women who were really hurt when the summer romance ended, because they were looking for something more than the other part was.

Quoting libralady:

You are so so so so so right (first part of post - can't speak for second part)!

Quoting Ghost:

Quoting Ghost:

I dont think the problem has anything to do with the men or women who chose to have sex with eachother on their holiday! That's their business.

The situation I have a problem with is those tourist workers who relentlessly persue european girls (and older women) with false claims of love and con them out of money (and sometimes their homes).

The pattern is usually the same....meet girl on holiday declare undying love within a few days...when they return bombard them with sms and emails....after a few weeks start telling them how unhappy they are....a few subtle requests start to creep in ("my cell phone was stolen".."I wish we could talk on msn but I need a laptop")....then soon the tourist season ends and they are talking about how they want to kill themselves because they are in debt...then how they wish they could be with you....

They forget to tell you that they have been doing the same with dozens of girls they met during the season.

Throughout this process the relentless sms and emails continue along the lines of "baby I need you/love you/I want to marry you/would die without you" and are nicely embellished by descriptions of the sexual acts they are going to perform on you.....

I have been a member of this site long enough to know the situation very well just by the translations!

The holiday season is upon us AGAIN now so the translations will soon begin at the first stage, and continue to the marriage part by the winter.

Of course, ALL of you will think your situation is "different" and its genuine love ....good luck!

Quoting catwoman:

Your opinions, while probably well intended, just bang the same old, backward mantra of women being guilty when they are raped, the "supply" being the cause of "demand", the offender being just a poor, little victim of HIS genes and background - absolutely incapable of making his own decisions and god-forbid having to take responsibility for them. It's exactlywomen like you and mltm who allow the continuation of the deplorable gender inequalities.

Quoting femme_fatal:

so its true!? according to miss ceyda's narrations england is a land of bitches?! at that time i didnt believe her, now i see she talked the truth.
its nice when people admit their wickedness, isnt it?

Quoting Ghost:

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Speaking of superficial and generalizations, seems Im not the only one

Quoting Ghost:

Quoting femme_fatal:

oh yeah, its all your fault, showing your "tanned" tits out everywhere, i tell ya, your fault, drunk, horny bitches ruining the image of pure innocent men.
britland - bitchland?

Quoting qdemir:

What some remarks connote is an intense hatred. what might she have done to deserve those snide remarks about her personality?

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Just wanted to point out that I don't agree with that point of yours Catwoman, Libralady's ideas are based upon what she knows about British women/girls, not upon her idea that a woman is guilty when she gets raped. Because being raped has nothing to do with demand and supply. It only lies in demand.

Quoting qdemir:

Hi catwoman! You mustn't have noticed that I had deleted my above post because of the fact that after I had posted it I remembered the fact which is when you couldn't come up with a better argument you target people's personalities instead of their opinions, and I just didn't want to get into such a dog fight with you again. You might not know that many people on here avoid relpying your posts because of the same reason. Once, 'she likes the sound of her voice' said someone about you. Don't you ever think of behaving as an arbitrator rather than behaving arbitrarily. You are a moderator on here. Remember!

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting qdemir:

You might not know that many people on here avoid relpying your posts because of the same reason. Once, 'she likes the sound of her voice' said someone about you. Don't you ever think of behaving as an arbitrator rather than behaving arbitrarily. You are a moderator on here. Remember!

Quoting Elisa:

Déjà-vu (déjà-lu, déjà-entendu..) stuff this is (where's my *yawn*-smiley ). Why start this discussion over and over again? I thought past threads clearly show everything had been said about it?

Just let it up to the people involved in those things. Far too many words have been wasted on this subject.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting qdemir:

catwoman, what's happened to you? I can see a dramatic fall in your performance. Yesterday you replied me with the sentence 'I think you forgot again what you just remembered' only. As far as I have noticed today you needed to add the following sentence 'Look who's talking about personally insulting others!'. Couldn't you come up with a better reply yesterday?

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting qdemir:

Quoting catwoman: Quoting qdemir: catwoman, what's happened to you? I can see a dramatic fall in your performance. Yesterday you replied me with the sentence 'I think you forgot again what you just remembered' only. As far as I have noticed today you needed to add the following sentence 'Look who's talking about personally insulting others!'. Couldn't you come up with a better reply yesterday? You sadly never had any performance, so it couldn't really get worse... But I see that you're desperately trying to prove something to someone (struggle of the weak indeed...) . At any case, this is enough of my wasting time on you!