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what is wrong with Turkish justice? and what is wrong with German justice and media?
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:40 pm |
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Quoting mltm: I think, Turkish people, in this site or outside, cannot stand the hypocrisy rather than the criticism. They can easily judge Turkey without even understanding the situtation and they immediately start an attack. We cannot take destructive criticism. There are even some who make false news on Turkey. |
Well, we will have to agree to differ! Personally, I am quite happy for anyone to criticise my country and will stand at the front of the queue because I disagree with many of my governments decisions!
If I hear "you dont understand the situation" once more from a Turkish classmate, I will scream  I can only assume that Turkey is a rare "perfect state" - how wonderful for you all to live in such a perfect country and to agree with all your government does
Ahh wait, you don't live in Turkey, you live in France! 
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:41 pm |
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Quoting mltm: It is not always turkish men who do sexual abuse |
Aha! I can assure you COMPLETELY that this never crossed my mind. But...interesting to see that it crossed yours
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:45 pm |
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Quoting Ghost:
Aha! I can assure you COMPLETELY that this never crossed my mind. But...interesting to see that it crossed yours |
I'm a bit interested with the science of psychology. I did not say it crossed your mind, I said it was "subconscious".
Ok, no need to make a deal out of this small detail.
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:47 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting Ghost: I'm a bit interested with the science of psychology. I did not say it crossed your mind, I said it's "subconcious".
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Well, its not really a small detail Meltem. You are well aware of what I think of tourist workers in Turkish resorts, but I would never once imply that you have more than your share of sexual abusers. Its a world-wide problem.
Sexual abuse is everywhere. The important thing is how those abusers are punished.
So, there was no "subconscious" thought. Sorry to disappoint |
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:48 pm |
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Quoting Ghost:
With regard to "negative" journalism in Turkey - so what?!?! Deal with it! Surely reporting on such things can only do good and improve conditions. Same goes for Turkish journalists investigating German prisons (although its rather a childish "tit for tat" reaction"). Its important that there are journalists who bring public awareness to such situations.
I will never understand this inability of Turkish to take any criticism. If my country found that there was poor conditions in prisons I would be very thankful that it had been brought to the notice of the public! You must not let your Government get away with these things!!!
Remember Watergate? 
Its entirely the same on this website, I notice. If something about Turkey is criticised, the reaction of Turkish members here is to find something WORSE about another country,instead of admitting that something might be wrong with theirs!!! It reminds me of children in a school yard!
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"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way as you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." (New Tastement), or
as we say in Turkish: Dinime küfür eden müslüman olsa
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:50 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: Quoting Ghost:
With regard to "negative" journalism in Turkey - so what?!?! Deal with it! Surely reporting on such things can only do good and improve conditions. Same goes for Turkish journalists investigating German prisons (although its rather a childish "tit for tat" reaction"). Its important that there are journalists who bring public awareness to such situations.
I will never understand this inability of Turkish to take any criticism. If my country found that there was poor conditions in prisons I would be very thankful that it had been brought to the notice of the public! You must not let your Government get away with these things!!!
Remember Watergate?
Its entirely the same on this website, I notice. If something about Turkey is criticised, the reaction of Turkish members here is to find something WORSE about another country,instead of admitting that something might be wrong with theirs!!! It reminds me of children in a school yard!
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"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way as you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." (New Tastement),or
as we say in Turkish: Dinime küfür eden müsliman olsa
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Ohmygod that was scary!!!! I agree completely with you! I judge my own country and welcome criticism.
(I am not a Christian, so please dont quote religious phrases to me in big bold letters!)
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:53 pm |
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Here we go again 
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:53 pm |
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Quoting bydand: Here we go again |
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:54 pm |
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Quoting Ghost:
If I hear "you dont understand the situation" once more from a Turkish classmate, I will scream I can only assume that Turkey is a rare "perfect state" - how wonderful for you all to live in such a perfect country and to agree with all your government does
Ahh wait, you don't live in Turkey, you live in France!
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I do not agree all the things the government does. Turkish people always criticize their governments and the wrong things going in Turkey. The bad conditions in prisons are one of these, but here, the thing is the boy is not traited badly in prison, himself said this, what I do not like is because of the films like midnight express, once a bad image is given to Turkey, the people do not even bother to go and witness with their eyes when a incident occures, instead they immediately write and say that he is kept in bad conditions because he's kept in prison in "Turkey".
We have also our own laws and the incident passed in Turkey, so we have the right to keep him in prison in Turkey.
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 04:58 pm |
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Quoting mltm: what I do not like is because of the films like midnight express, once a bad image is given to Turkey, the people do not even bother to go and witness with their eyes when a incident occures |
As I said, why can't Turkey deal with it? We have it all the time. We are misjudged in media and films!!! Notice who always plays the villian? The English Guy! And as for Mel Gibson re-writing history.... !
People DONT judge Turkey on Midnight Express, yet Turks are so obsessed with it! Actually, your tourist workers are your ambassadors...you should be more angry with THEM
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 05:05 pm |
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Quoting Ghost:
Actually, your tourist workers are your ambassadors...you should be more angry with THEM
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Just to respond this one:
No, they are not our ambassadors. I do not judge a country by its tourist workers. It can only be like this for the tourists who just come to pass their whole holiday in a hotel isolated from everywhere.
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