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what is wrong with Turkish justice? and what is wrong with German justice and media?
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 08:06 pm |
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I am maybe not the right person to ask this question since I have only recently rejoined TC but can we no longer have a serious debate on here.
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 08:15 pm |
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Quoting bydand: I am maybe not the right person to ask this question since I have only recently rejoined TC but can we no longer have a serious debate on here. |
Coming from the man who complained earlier when the debate was in full swing!!! 
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 08:20 pm |
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Quoting Ghost: Quoting bydand: I am maybe not the right person to ask this question since I have only recently rejoined TC but can we no longer have a serious debate on here. |
Coming from the man who complained earlier when the debate was in full swing!!! |
I think Ghost I was banging my head off a brick wall.It didn't do any good.
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 08:50 pm |
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Quote: Quoting Ghost: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting Ghost: 'Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way as you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
'Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.' (New Tastement),or
as we say in Turkish: Dinime küfür eden müsliman olsa
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Ohmygod that was scary!!!! I agree completely with you! I judge my own country and welcome criticism.
(I am not a Christian, so please dont quote religious phrases to me in big bold letters!) |
isnt it fun, hogst? brrrr, very scary! narrow, extremely narrow! but truly fun, we should admit it. |
Ok I admit, it was wonderful Mefem! 
It takes a lot to scare a ghost, but the thought of Qdemir running at me with a crucifix was.....ouhhhh brrrrrrrrrrrr! 
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Dear Ghost of aenigma x, I have just refered to the source of the quote as a code of ethics. It doesn't matter by whom it was said, but what it says.
As for the second person above, I won't waste my time. Just click the below link to see who she really is.
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 09:01 pm |
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qdemir
just thinking of how narrow-minded you are: you thought ghost is christian and therefore your ethics will work on her? it doesnt matter what your statement says, but it matters to whom you say it.
why didnt you quote from your own religion? or it lacks such morales?
as for who i am: prove all your stupid guessings!
i can only say that i cant waste my time on so-called mr. turkish freud. reading all your posts to catwoman, one can say you are some immature boy full of complexes!
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 09:35 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: I have just refered to the source of the quote as a code of ethics. It doesn't matter by whom it was said, but what it says |
What a strange perception you have of that quote. You believe then, that one cannot criticise or disagree with something if they also have things that you might disagree with or be wrong?
Nobody is without error or sin, so therefore if we live in a world guided by your teaching, we will all have to remain dumb when we see injustice and just accept?
Ahhhhahahaha - I am finally understanding the Turkish way...
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 09:40 pm |
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Quoting mltm: I do not agree all the things the government does. Turkish people always criticize their governments and the wrong things going in Turkey. The bad conditions in prisons are one of these, but here, the thing is the boy is not traited badly in prison, himself said this, what I do not like is because of the films like midnight express, once a bad image is given to Turkey, the people do not even bother to go and witness with their eyes when a incident occures, instead they immediately write and say that he is kept in bad conditions because he's kept in prison in 'Turkey'.
We have also our own laws and the incident passed in Turkey, so we have the right to keep him in prison in Turkey. |
Exactly.
Who the hell do these germans think they are to 'demand' the german guy be released??Turkey has jurisdiction here and noone can tell independant courts what to do in Turkey , let alone some foreign official.
Ghost,it has nothing to do with not being able to bear critisism, its all about being fed up with the despicable hypocritical, racist attitute of german press, which turned this into a huge smear campaign against Turkey..I think you misinterpret the situation, cus you probably don't know that how the german press has reflected the issue..It has nothing to do with prison conditions in Turkey (last time i checked EU commision had stated that prison conditions in Turkey are compatible with EU standarts and Turkey is ready for accession talks.)That was several years ago...even after that, many steps have been taken in favour of suspects and to improve prison conditions.I don't hear any complaint about prison conditions in Turkey lately from Amnesty International either. .(except for the F-type maximum security prisons maybe (=solitary confinement) , which is common in EU countries btw, but gets protested here by many Turks,but its not the case here anyway.
What the German media is doing here is distorting everything by claiming that some poor german youngster got jailed by 'evil islamist Turks' for some harmless flirt in holliday, just because 'Turks dont like the 'modernity' tourists bring to Turkey ' as some so-called journalist claimed on german TV.Most of the german media reflected the case this way and turned it into a Turkey-bashing contest, as if implementing its laws to protect minors is a terrible crime when some 'German' is concerned.
What some of that german boulivard press 'forgat'(!) to write innitially was that
1- The girl is a 13 year old CHILD ,
2- Sexual contact with a 13 year old is a crime, not only in Turkey , also in many countries including Germany. In Germany any sexual contact with a 13 year old with or without consent, is a crime which would get him a sentence from 6 months to 10 years.
3-Although 13 yo victims concent is not relevant if the victims parents file against him, even that is not the case here, cus the girl says she didn't consent to it and tried to push him away.
AFTER all those facts, inevitably came out , this time german press turned the focus on prison conditions in Turkey, whining that poor little childmolestor has to use the same shower and WC with some 15-20 other inmates.So sorry we couldn't provide a 5 star hotel accomodation for him.
Next time we will roll out the red carpet if the new inmate is 'german' and make sure he will get a 'suite' and cavier with a Medditereanean view.
Germans need to get over themselves.
and whats wrong with bringing up the 76 suspicious deaths,10 fatal 'accidents' and 38 suicides of turkish inmates in German prisons, where racism is a big problem? Its 'slightly' more worrying than some german having to share the same bathroom with 15 others, or not??
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 10:11 pm |
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Leander, I dont think anyone disagrees that this German boy should be in a Turkish prison or, in fact, believes that Turkish prisons are worse than any other country.
My point was this Turkish obsession with "bad press" and "bad publicity".
The facts are there, as you say, with regard to Turkish prisons. So, why then, do comments made by German gutter press bother you so much? Instead of starting a word-war with Germany by finding things that are wrong with their system, why don't you just defend Turkey by stating the facts. The way you defend yourselves just appears arrogant and sanctimonious.
The reason I said it sounds like children's playground arguments is because it is EXACTLY THAT!
"Your brother stole a pencil" says one
"Well your brother lies" is the other child's defence.
Thus, the truth is NEVER established!!!!
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 10:11 pm |
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Thank you leander, you have told all the things that should be told and your english is far better than mine.
I think now it's much clearer.
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 10:37 pm |
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Quoting mltm:
I think now it's much clearer. |
I think, too. Now it is much clearer that you and leander must have a reason to kiss each other's ass. But, since the reason is obvious, I won't mention it.
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 10:43 pm |
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Quoting CirqueDuSoleil:
I think, too. Now it is much clearer that you and leander must have a reason to kiss each other's ass. But, since the reason is obvious, I won't mention it. |
What's your obsession about kissing asses?
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