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what is wrong with Turkish justice? and what is wrong with German justice and media?
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 10:43 pm |
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Quoting CirqueDuSoleil:
I think, too. Now it is much clearer that you and leander must have a reason to kiss each other's ass. But, since the reason is obvious, I won't mention it.  |
What's your obsession about kissing asses?
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01 Jul 2007 Sun 11:07 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: qdemir
just thinking of how narrow-minded you are: you thought ghost is christian and therefore your ethics will work on her? it doesnt matter what your statement says, but it matters to whom you say it.
why didnt you quote from your own religion? or it lacks such morales?
as for who i am: prove all your stupid guessings!
i can only say that i cant waste my time on so-called mr. turkish freud. reading all your posts to catwoman, one can say you are some immature boy full of complexes! |
Why did you quote the same line as a reply to someone else in your below post? You aren't Christian (You don't have any religious belief.) Did it matter what it said or to whom you said it then? Which one?
Quoting femme_fatal: why islamists keep going on demanding and at the end reaching their goals in the whole world? in all western countries muslim women wear freely their shapeless burqas/hidjabs meanwhile the request of human right activists to not force women be wrapped up with a cloth is still ignored?
maybe western countries should also ban all the wrapping cloths in reply to the ignorance?
in turkey you request your right, while in arabic paradises turks/others are faced to live according to the local islamic laws. wheres the justice?
Quoting panta rei:
'the speck out of your brother's eye', first take 'the plank out of your own eye.'
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02 Jul 2007 Mon 12:00 am |
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Quoting Ghost: Leander, I dont think anyone disagrees that this German boy should be in a Turkish prison or, in fact, believes that Turkish prisons are worse than any other country.
My point was this Turkish obsession with 'bad press' and 'bad publicity'. |
If so many people who know boths sides of the story think that way maybe theres some truth in it.
I told you how german press distorted facts and turned it into a smear compaign and you still think nothings wrong with that?
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The facts are there, as you say, with regard to Turkish prisons. So, why then, do comments made by German gutter press bother you so much? Instead of starting a word-war with Germany by finding things that are wrong with their system, why don't you just defend Turkey by stating the facts. The way you defend yourselves just appears arrogant and sanctimonious.
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Turkish officials said everything that needs to be said already, but for some reason they never get reflected in their media.Wonder why.
As for being arrogant,its not us,its the germans that are being arrogant by 'demanding' his release and telling turkish courts what to do , then when they get a no, starting a racist smear compign against Turkey based on lies and distortion.If you don't see a problem with that, i have nothing to say to you.And I insist bringing up the issue of unexplained deaths and suicides of foreigners in incredible numbers in german prisons is somethiing that needs more attention than this case.Especially when it looks like german press has nothing else to do other than lecturing other countries on prison conditions.
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02 Jul 2007 Mon 12:10 am |
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Quoting CirqueDuSoleil: Quoting mltm:
I think now it's much clearer. |
I think, too. Now it is much clearer that you and leander must have a reason to kiss each other's ass. But, since the reason is obvious, I won't mention it. |
Looks like million-nicked Cirqueclown panta rei, honoured us with is foul mouth and 'classy' language again.Is that all you got in the platter, going around calling everyone, asskissers?You forgat the overused 'barking dogs' theme this time 
Thought the pest got his pathetic ass kicked outta here long time ago..
CirqueDS = Neurotic psychosis in action.
Do you have any other contribution to this board ,other than displaying sympthoms of your mental desease and desperately trying to sound cool by trying to make fun of others posts with your grinning-smiley loving boring one-liners?Or by calling everyone who agrees with someone else asskissers or even dogs when you dont get the applause you're craving for?
I wish you would realise how pathetic you sound but i guess it would take more than a peawee brain.
CirqueDS = 2 braincells and still going strong.
whats that hysterical laugh for lunilla?
or are you two connecting from the same mental house?
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02 Jul 2007 Mon 12:22 am |
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I agree with Joey. It is no longer possible to held a normal debate on this website. I for myself hold the rule that if I dont know enough about something, I wont reply to it, and if I do it is with questions. So maybe I should not write now, because I dont know enough about the topic. But since the people who advertise with the fact that all they say is right, that other people are short-sighted and that the only reason we can't hold a debate anymore is because some (Turkish) members can't accept criticism, started to post useless, meaningless, rude and offensive messages around the forms, I thought I might as well just reply too.
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İt is a misconception to think that Turkish people do not criticise their country and government. How else could people organize meetings of millions of people who do not agree with the government and let this know in an organized way?
Today when I came to my neighbours, they were watching a programme in which 2 persons debated on the fact that Turkey shouldn't ever be ruled on religious grounds and that people should stop saying 'This is the work of Allah', but create their own world and ask scientifical questions. After the programme, the women talked about what was going on and what things they wanted government to do different.
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Also, I understand the Turkish attitude that says 'foreigners cannot understand our situation'. It is such a diverse country, with such a 'two-faced' history, that some problems maybe need to be solved in a way other countries cant understand. Turkey is a beautiful country, and developed in many ways, but the way of thinking of many people isnt as 'developed, modern' (no offense) as the people in Western Europe. So it is very normal that Turkish people have the feeling others cant understand them, because when ways of thinking are different, solving problems is different too. Yes, human rights are the same in all the world, but getting people to keep them requires different things in different countries.
What is of importance now, is that the country doesn't fall in hands of the wrong government (the religious one, from my point of view), who can easily 'brainwash' or 'play' with peoples minds, because they are fragile.
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I think it is so easy to say that Turkish people can't stand criticism. (Im sorry I just cant spellthat word). I agree that its one of their weaker points, I noticed that in friendly discussions with friends, on a tv-programme where a foreign contestant doubted if the Turkish judge had judged her and her Turkish-ice-skating partner right, and after this 10 minutes of discussion followed from the Turkish side. Completely unnecessary. There are many topics that are hard to talk about with some (many?) Turkish people, they cant endure criticism well. But there are two sides of the story.
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And as a last point, there are some people on this website who seem to think that mltm doesnt have a modern way of thinking and is very patriarchic (however that is spelled ) , but if you ask me she is one of the girls that does talk and think about what is going on. And that is what Turkey needs. Not needless debates on the fact that they cant endure criticism and that we in the West are better because we dont like our governments and are not afraid to say it.
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02 Jul 2007 Mon 12:25 am |
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That's better! It has been far too dull around here lately
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02 Jul 2007 Mon 12:29 am |
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Leander your replies were wonderful - I declare myself out-debated! Well done, you replied calmly without personal criticism to me. It was such fun though
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02 Jul 2007 Mon 12:53 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
İt is a misconception to think that Turkish people do not criticise
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And as a last point, there are some people on this website who seem to think that mltm doesnt have a modern way of thinking and is very patriarchic |
It was nice to read it.
In fact, we can have debates, sometimes very intense debates, we do not have to think the same, but it should not be brought to a level of making fun of the other and tasteless jokes, and personal attacks.
All the things I believe might not be right to you.We are not same in all ways, because we are all raised differently, and you could even make people change their minds ("J.R.COWELL: only the fools and deads do not change their ideas"), but the way we put the things is the thing that counts.
For example with deli_kızın and the people like her, we can altogether discuss and criticize turkish people and Turkey in a productive way, without getting in the "protecting our people and country mood" against the attacks.
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02 Jul 2007 Mon 12:58 am |
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....yes yes, its all very diplomatic, but not much fun 
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02 Jul 2007 Mon 01:01 am |
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Quoting Ghost: ....yes yes, its all very diplomatic, but not much fun |
If that's what it's all about, please don't talk about such 'delicate' topics. Just open a party-thread, and I would be glad to join you anyway! 
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