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The Best Youtube video ever posted on TC
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11 Jul 2007 Wed 09:41 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting aenigma x:
What then, is the reason for your lack of support for equal rights for all?  |
Maybe, same as mine.
The way you put it. |
Could you be more specific? You don't agree that women should be paid the same as men and have the same rights of men because.......you don't like the way I put it? 
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11 Jul 2007 Wed 09:52 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x:
Could you be more specific? You don't agree that women should be paid the same as men and have the same rights of men because.......you don't like the way I put it? |
No, no,no. Ofcourse I agree that, but I think he agrees that too.
But it seems to me that we have to be less violant, and reasonable without trying to search who I can accuse for all that and bash.
Anyway, I haven't yet read all the text, but it does not seem to me very reasonable to base the school shootings etc on "sexism" and "man violance". I prefer to see these things more as a result of capitalism and human violance on a bigger scale. Maybe I got what he said wrong but I talk about the recent shooting incidents, because sexism and particularly man violance have always been there, but the kind of things like teenagers shooting each other or such absurd things have appeared recently.
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11 Jul 2007 Wed 11:27 pm |
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I think that there's simply no point in talking to certain people here. They are not the types with whom we can have a conversation.
I'm happy though that there were some people who found a valuable message in this video.
Joey, you have a nasty way of thinking. The reason why you should be concerned with gender equality is not because some women fight (or don't fight) for it, but because its your moral responsibility as a human being to defend equality and human rights.
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11 Jul 2007 Wed 11:31 pm |
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Quoting mltm: I prefer to see these things more as a result of capitalism and human violance on a bigger scale. |
You talk like a truly naive girl who has no clue about the world that men live in. 
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 03:55 am |
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Quoting bydand: If women themselves are apathetic what can I do? |
not all women are apathetic.
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 06:57 am |
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Quoting gezbelle: Quoting bydand: If women themselves are apathetic what can I do? |
not all women are apathetic. |
I am sure he's aware of that, he just couldn't find a better excuse for his own apathy on this issue.
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 08:03 am |
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i think this summary by catwoman is pretty spot on...
Quoting catwoman: Summary:
School shootings should not be looked at as individual male pathology, but in a wider social context. It is a fact that men are socialized in ways that encourage sexism and violence and even though not all men act in abusive ways, they almost always internalize problematic attitudes.
These school shootings should not be seen as "youth violence", but "men's violence", because all these perpetrators are men and this fact is completely ignored in the debate.
Katz says that many men don't want to be part of the abuse, but they rarely speak up in the face of others' abusive behavior (rape joke, sexism... etc.), which is seen as a sign of complicity and approval of abusive behavior of others. This has to change, otherwise, if men don't get involved in the struggle against sexism and men's violence (against women or other men), these problems will never be solved. |
this is not to say that women aren't/can't be perpertrators of violence and sexual abuse. no not at all.
however, it can be seen that the vast majority of violence and sexual abuse are committed by men.
out of all the known school massacres/attacks that have occurred in the world up until now, only at least 3 have been committed by women.
School Massacres
in australia, there is a campaign about violence against women. this is the television commercial for it:
Violence Against Women - Australia Says No
ok, it's related but slightly off on a tangent...there was a recent survey conducted by the Australian Centre for the Study of Sexual Assault where the respondants "see some rape victims as more worthy than others."
here the rape victims being referred to are women.
these respondants said there "was less blame on a rapist if they knew their victim, had a "nice guy" reputation or if the victim was scantily dressed or acted provocatively."
Newspaper Article
in no way should less blame be put on a rapist for these reasons.
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 09:33 am |
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Thank you gezbelle for sharing these links. I think the campaign where Australia Says No is fantastic, it's been too long that the stereotypes on rape and male violence have gone unchallenged and not dealt with appropriately (as crimes).
There are a couple organizations in the US as well where men organize themselves to stand up against rape and violence, like Men Can Stop Rape or Men Stopping Violence. It's a sign of hope, though the media culture is so extremely powerful that they are undoubtedly winning the game. There are countless examples of how the media is soaking us with violent, sexist messages from childhood - starting with Disney films, through cartoons, most video games and movies and the recent big money maker - hip hop music. It is absolutely not surprising to see what our societies are becoming if you look at the messages that we are being fed with. Sexism has always been the issue, that's for sure, but I don't know if it was ever so explicitly glorified and it's very alarming to me that in our modern, civil societies these messages go unchallenged.
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 09:52 am |
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yes, the hip hop culture is riddled with violent and sexist messages against women...it's in the lyrics, it's in the vidoes, it's in the attitude, it's in the way women are referred to.
unfortunately, some women within the hip hop culture see it as ok to be referred to as "hoes", "b*tches", etc...their reasoning being that it's not personally aimed at them...but it is. it's aimed at women, it is denigrating women as a whole.
as i quoted before "silence is a form of consent and complicity..."
with silence, nothing will change.
i have only seen bits of this video, it would be good to see the whole thing...
Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats & Rhymes
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 10:13 am |
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Quoting gezbelle: yes, the hip hop culture is riddled with violent and sexist messages against women...it's in the lyrics, it's in the vidoes, it's in the attitude, it's in the way women are referred to.
unfortunately, some women within the hip hop culture see it as ok to be referred to as "hoes", "b*tches", etc...their reasoning being that it's not personally aimed at them...but it is. it's aimed at women, it is denigrating women as a whole.
as i quoted before "silence is a form of consent and complicity..."
with silence, nothing will change.
i have only seen bits of this video, it would be good to see the whole thing...
Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats & Rhymes |
+ 100000000000 what I particularly hate about this culture is the way women are "falling into" the submissive, sex-object roles promoted in hip hop videos (some of which are nothing more than x-rated musical pornography). As for the men....!!! "Hey look at me, I'm so cool because I belong to a gang, use guns, go to parties with my bitches and have absolutely no brain"!!!
(Gezbelle - I notice you wrote b*tches like this. Is it an offensive word there? Apologise if I offended anyone, but here its just (another) insulting word for women (meaning female dog)!
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 10:59 am |
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I have my views on sexism, but not necessarily in the same format as the "gang of three" above. I just find this continual debate about equality so boring. When it is no longer "when it suits" sexism I will support it. Whilst there are millions of women happy with their "sexist" situations, and whilst sexism has never affected me personally, then I will look after number one.
The three of you are giving out the wrong vibes to me, that you all hate men with a vengance.
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