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The Best Youtube video ever posted on TC
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 09:00 pm |
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1. disagree
2. protest
3. dont know why.
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 11:17 pm |
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Oh la la 
I will tear out my hair 
I don't just blame USA, but if you read carefully my last paragraph, I said sexism appears in different places in a different context. You handle sexism as if a unique type of sexism exists as if its causes all over the world are the same. You understand? I said the sexism that you see on TV, on advertisements, on music clips are about marketing, and I don't think that you will ever gonna be able to solve it if you do not change the system of capitalism or whatever it's which aim to make money and money and just more money. No matter how much you give educative lectures, you can do nothing against this sexism because human will always have sexual desires, and no matter how civilized a person becomes, he will always look at some breasts more than a jacket wearin woman. And his desires will always be exploited. This one cannot be finished by education.
And again the sexism which you see heavily in the eastern countries or even in the west where women are paid still less or women are not seen in the politics are different. This one is not about desires, it's about men controlling women. It's about the continuation of the male dominant culture. It can be finished by education.
So, I think the technics to fight with these should be also different.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with ypu. Do I have to disagree all the time?
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 11:49 pm |
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Quoting gezbelle: yes, the hip hop culture is riddled with violent and sexist messages against women...it's in the lyrics, it's in the vidoes, it's in the attitude, it's in the way women are referred to.
unfortunately, some women within the hip hop culture see it as ok to be referred to as "hoes", "b*tches", etc...their reasoning being that it's not personally aimed at them...but it is. it's aimed at women, it is denigrating women as a whole.
as i quoted before "silence is a form of consent and complicity..."
with silence, nothing will change.
i have only seen bits of this video, it would be good to see the whole thing...
Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats & Rhymes |
This is all well said. There is also the 2nd part of this video "Beyond Beats & Rhymes" on youtube, which was a very thought provoking video in the US. I am completely disgusted with all the producers of these records, particularly with the women who agree to be part of it because it pays them well.
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12 Jul 2007 Thu 11:57 pm |
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hip-hop things are from immature to immature, who always do immature things, it stays in that circle.
it is their choice to be stupid. its not as compulsory as traditions or customs, some of them grow out of it and some not.
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 12:11 am |
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Quoting mltm: I will tear out my hair |
Please do, maybe it will help you deal with your attitude issues.
Quoting mltm: I don't just blame USA |
That's a progress! So it's Turkey too...? 
Quoting mltm: if you read carefully my last paragraph |
No, you're gonna have to learn English better.
Quoting mltm: I said sexism appears in different places in a different context. You handle sexism as if a unique type of sexism exists as if its causes all over the world are the same. |
I said that???  I must have been writing while drunk!
Quoting mltm: You understand? |
That you have issues? Yeah.
Quoting mltm: I said the sexism that you see on TV, on advertisements, on music clips are about marketing, and I don't think that you will ever gonna be able to solve it if you do not change the system of capitalism or whatever it's which aim to make money and money and just more money. |
There used to be slavery and no legal rights for women which all were about money and dominance, but people did change it, though it seemed impossible. All we need is more government regulation and a stronger position of alternative voices in mainstream culture.
Quoting mltm: No matter how much you give educative lectures, you can do nothing against this sexism because human will always have sexual desires, and no matter how civilized a person becomes, he will always look at some breasts more than a jacket wearin woman. And his desires will always be exploited. This one cannot be finished by education. |
It's not about sex, it's about a particular perception of women and men, that many people are sick of and are desperate for alternatives. It's also about exploitation and manipulation of human sexuality and conditioning masses to perceive very particular images as 'desirable' and 'attractive' which in reality are degrading, abusive and low. Nobody would enjoy such things if they weren't conditioned to associate them with positive feelings, much like smoking.
Quoting mltm: And again the sexism which you see heavily in the eastern countries or even in the west where women are paid still less or women are not seen in the politics are different. This one is not about desires, it's about men controlling women. It's about the continuation of the male dominant culture. It can be finished by education.
So, I think the technics to fight with these should be also different. |
That's obviously true. However, nowadays, in the global culture the two types you described are mixing together and reinforcing each other.
Quoting mltm: I'm not necessarily disagreeing with ypu. |
Oh, so good you explicitly said that!
Quoting mltm: Do I have to disagree all the time? |
Well, that's what used to make you look cool, right? 
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 02:42 am |
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Quoting aenigma x: (Gezbelle - I notice you wrote b*tches like this. Is it an offensive word there?  Apologise if I offended anyone, but here its just (another) insulting word for women (meaning female dog)! |
aenigma...over here, the word is probably in the same usage as over there.
i suppose, amongst girlfriends it is used more in a jokingly way.
however, if a man says it to a woman, it's another insulting word, not necessarily meaning female dog though. just a derogatory term.
i just didn't want to offend anyone here by writing it out in full.
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 02:47 am |
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Quoting gezbelle: Quoting aenigma x: (Gezbelle - I notice you wrote b*tches like this. Is it an offensive word there? Apologise if I offended anyone, but here its just (another) insulting word for women (meaning female dog)! |
aenigma...over here, the word is probably in the same usage as over there.
i suppose, amongst girlfriends it is used more in a jokingly way.
however, if a man says it to a woman, it's another insulting word, not necessarily meaning female dog though. just a derogatory term.
i just didn't want to offend anyone here by writing it out in full. |
Phew! Thanks Gezbelle! Actually although its only a mild swear word, I would DEFINITELY not call my friends this!
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 04:34 am |
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Quoting aenigma x: I still know of companies who don't like to promote women because "they may have babies" or, my favourite one from PERSONAL experience, employ women in lesser administrative roles because "its not enough money for a man to live on". Women who manage to make it to managerial roles are usually ridiculed in the most disgusting way by men – it’s a fact. But you are right, they probably “accept their lot†eh?
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just to extend on this...in the i.t. company that i work for, i have noticed that the (few) female managers that we have, they all dress frumpy and man-like.
and, a fellow female employee once said that she needed to dress older and more man-ish for people to take her seriously in her role. and she would never reveal her age for these same reasons (she is 26).
unfortunately, it is still seen that unless you dress man-like, be a plain-jane, to "fit in" with the boys, for people to take you seriously, you won't get far in this industry.
heaven forbid if you at all dress like a woman...expect to sit in an administrative role or just not be taken seriously at all.
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 04:49 am |
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I have a degree in engineering and even though I never worked in the industry (which I'm sure is much more rough for women), even among the faculty and certain male students there were similar attitudes (regarding respect for women's intellect and taking them seriously as professionals). Interestingly enough, women in my classes were one of the best students. Then after graduation the guys could get a job easier then the girls in this field.
Take a look at this: Making of a perfume commercial. It's very striking that almost all the producers are men. When it comes to more significant productions (music records, video games, top selling movies), it's completely male-dominated and therefore these products reflect male pornographic fantasies and dreams of dominance over women... which in turn sets the standards and attitudes of the whole society.
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 10:59 am |
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Quoting gezbelle:
heaven forbid if you at all dress like a woman...expect to sit in an administrative role or just not be taken seriously at all. |
What's to dress like a woman or like a man? You mean wearing skirts or trousers?
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13 Jul 2007 Fri 12:18 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting gezbelle:
heaven forbid if you at all dress like a woman...expect to sit in an administrative role or just not be taken seriously at all. |
What's to dress like a woman or like a man? You mean wearing skirts or trousers? |
I think it would depend on the length of the skirt meltem. I mean one of Bod's 10" (25cms) denim numbers would be totally out of the question.
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