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Let The West Talk !
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:25 pm |
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You know,i didnt know it,but come to think of it now,we really dont know anything about Britsh ,except Hugh Grant of course 
And only old movies,where family sitting in the living room,everyone to his own business,some reading book,some sewing something,and no one talking to each other
Very boring and very cold !
We,or maybe let me say, i didnt know all what you've said about "front room" and eating fish and chips on a Friday...ect
All we know about britsh as persons,that they are cold,and cant get the joke 'no offence' 
İ see you here more than a year now,and you seems as a warm person,and get the joke too
See? get what i mean ? we dont know you,but we judge you by the tools you are giving to us.
Which seems was not all true.
So if you can tell us what the Media didnt say for being the norm to it,would be great,because we dont see that norm.
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:30 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: But not having traditions,and if there is,then not respecting it,not being kind with same members of the family,worshiping the material world,and not careing of anyone except yourself,and if you are a bit good,you care about your small family as well.
Living just for yourself,and not caring about others,looking for your own interests even if its going to harm the others.
Not helping anyone,and just mind in your own business.
Swearing,using bad words,and that makes you cool.
İ have Cousins live in Canada,they start to hear voices coming from their neighbours apartment,then some hard voices,and the wife start to scream.
My cousin run quickly to them trying to help the woman,at same time his sister 'which was in Canada for couple of years before him'she tried to stop him,but his Eastern manners took him and he went and knocked the door try to help the lady,at the end the husband threatened him that he will call the police !
Thats some snap shots of how we see Westerns,thats what we know about you,and what Media telling us.
Some is true,and some is not,so the idea is telling us what is real,what is good and we dont know .
And by the way,Japan is far East,when was it West ?!
And its quite different from the Western life style too.
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OK Canli, I live in a very muslim Istanbul area (Fulya). All I have to do is walk up my street and materialism worship is right there for me at the new Cehavir Mall.
Afternoon television is nothing but "frikiks" on the daily talkshows.
I walk the streets everyday, I have trained my ears to block out the daily vulgarities I hear on the street.
My neighbors fight, I hear yelling. Read Page 2 of the newspaper and it details all the domestic fights that went to far (usually with knives).
There is good everywhere, there is bad everywhere. You can choose to see and listen to whatever message you choose. But don't paint the "ordinary" western world as any worse than the places you hold dear.
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:33 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting CANLI: But not having traditions,and if there is,then not respecting it,not being kind with same members of the family,worshiping the material world,and not careing of anyone except yourself,and if you are a bit good,you care about your small family as well.
Living just for yourself,and not caring about others,looking for your own interests even if its going to harm the others.
Not helping anyone,and just mind in your own business.
Swearing,using bad words,and that makes you cool. |
Sorry Canli, but you have a pretty twisted view about the "west"!! If this thread is just another excuse for bashing "westerners" and having sanctimonous opinons about your own culture, then I really don't think there is much point in trying to exchange ideas on this website  .
Predicting now it will get blocked....  |
AEnigma III,what i said here is the common ideas about the West as we see it in the Media
Not everyone in here is lucky to travel and see otherwise,or to pay effort and google to find things are already brought to him in the easy way ,TV.
You know me,i guess , lol
İ try to understand what is arround me before i make a conclusion.
And we brought up on some conclusions,im changing them to myself at least,and by your help to anyone else reading this.
This thread is not about the East and West,its just about the West.
İ just state what the East see,and ask you to tell us the truth about it from what you really live in it.
Anladın mı ?
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:33 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Yes Trudy, we are all human.
But not having traditions,and if there is,then not respecting it,not being kind with same members of the family,worshiping the material world,and not careing of anyone except yourself,and if you are a bit good,you care about your small family as well.
Living just for yourself,and not caring about others,looking for your own interests even if its going to harm the others.
Not helping anyone,and just mind in your own business.
Swearing,using bad words,and that makes you cool.
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Canli, I find you very offensive and short-sighted in this post.
First, did I say that people in my country don't have traditions, are not kind to family members, worship the material world, don't care about others? No, I did NOT. I just said that to me there are soooo many differences that you cannot talk about THE west and THE east. (BTW Aenigma said something with the same meaning as I understood her well). I also said that even in a small country like mine there are many differences. You can't divide the world in just 2 pieces, that's too easy.
Second you accuse me of all these things - at least you wrote it at such a way I can't read it differently - while I only admitted that I sometimes use bad language. So? What's that up to you? You don't know anything about me and I doubt you know anything about my country (no, we don't wear clogs or eat cheese all day!) and still you are generalising so much that it hurts. Personally I don't do anything, anytime to be cool or only for personal gain, that's your distorted idea of me and other people in countries different from yours.
Third, do you like others to talk about you, your countrymen, your brothers/sisters in politics & religion as 'they are all the same'? I doubt it. Then please, think before you post like this. You really made me angry!
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:41 pm |
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GUYS, why dont you understand me ?!
İ dont accuse you of anything,i dont compare between East and West here.
İ dont say you swear ,and we dont swear 'Keith'!!!
İ say what we see in our Media 'movies,..ect' and make us think those things about the West which i ask you to tell us the truth as you live it !
İn another thread,i said,i heared,and read that, they annoye veiled woman and put them into jail in Türkiye.
And Turkish people said its not true.
catwoman, said they miss treat women in Egypt,and she posted a link ,and i said its not true.
So,i got this from the Media,catwoman got this from a media,and a native speaks and says otherwise.
So i want you to say otherwise,from your daily life,not from a stupid Media
Got me ?
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:42 pm |
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Its easy to point out horrible generalizations iof other cultures. Is this how you wish the western world that cant afford to travel to see "your world"?
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:44 pm |
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I agree with you canli, you cannot judge other cultures of what we see on TV. They only show the very best or very worst. Not the real.
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:53 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: You really made me angry! |
İ didnt accuse you of anything Trudy,i was just stating the way we see you,not you personally,and of course not all of us see you like this too.
But the common people see this,'The Bold and the Beautiful','Falcon Crist' and others. 'TV series' ect
All those made the common people who only watch TV to see the other world to judge all the West same way.
And you are right,we dont know you,and that is what i said,and that what i asked,
To tell us about you.
İm sorry if you got offended from this,i didnt mean it this way,if you reread what i wrote,you would understand my aim.
Anyway, forget it,and i ask admin to delete it as well.
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:54 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: İ just state what the East see,and ask you to tell us the truth about it from what you really live in it. |
OK, I misunderstood you Well...its hard for me to describe English culture and traditions because maybe my view is rather biased . I live on an Island where we have few immigrants, people are reasonably affluent, have low crime and life continues much the same as it did 40 years ago!!
I have a very loving family and we all meet regularly for big family dinners and we are always in eachother's houses. My family help eachother at every opportunity, be it financially, physically or with emotional support. We don't swear (except in extreme circumstances!) and although I have drunk wine with family meals since the age of 10, I have never felt the need to "get drunk". However, I DO KNOW that whilst there are many other families like mine, it is a declining way of life (as my earlier post described).
All my friends and colleagues have a similar life - the family unit being it's central core.
From discussions with Turkish friends, I am always struck by the similarities in our cultures, rather than the differences! 
Incidently, I don't think the "me" culture is unique to the "west". Sadly it exists everywhere and is a growing, universal kingdom with celebrity as its king
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 08:32 pm |
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Quoting Trudy:
Canli, I find you very offensive and short-sighted in this post.
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06 Aug 2007 Mon 08:34 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
OK, I misunderstood you |
Finallyyyy
Well AEnigma,that is really lovely,we do this too,we make big family dinner and gather everytime in a different house too.
How about food ? what is your Traditional food there ?
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