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30.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 02:58 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Guys,how about Christmas,halloweens,...ect
Do have a special traditions there for each country ? or all are same ?

Why turkey in Thanksgiving ?
You make turkey at dinner at that night, right ?
And is Thanksgiving An American thing,or do you all celebrate it ?
And why its Fourth Thursday in November in the United States; second Monday in October in Canada ?



In the UK our main celebration holidays are Easter, Christmas and New year. We do not celebrate Thanksgiving.

On Christmas day we eat Roast Turkey, followed by Christmas Pudding and (in our house anyway!) lots of champagne! Presents (which have been sitting under the tree!) are exchanged. It is a family day and in our house we play silly games all day and the TV is banned! It is traditional to invite anyone you know who will be alone that day, such as friends or neighbours, to spend all or part of Christmas Day with you. Houses are decorated with tinsel and lights (sometimes to the extreme!) and everyone has a christmas tree in their living room, covered with lights and decorations. They have to be removed before 6th January or it's VERY BAD LUCK!

New Years Eve is celebrated in many ways, but traditionally people dress up in Fancy Dress (silly costumes) and drink to the new year. At the stroke of midnight, everyone links arms and sings ‘Auld Lang Syne’. There are many parties in houses and its traditional to visit the houses of your friends after midnight (called ‘first footing’) and they will give you a drink for good luck. New Years Day is a public holiday (to recover from all that drink!!).

Easter – On Good Friday it is still considered a day of mourning. Shops and bars/clubs are closed early. It is traditional to eat fish on this day. On Easter Sunday we exchange chocolate Easter Eggs (mainly to children of friends and family). Its traditional to hide many small chocolate eggs in the garden and then give the children little baskets to go and find them. The house (or table) is decorated with painted eggs hanging from tree branches and Easter bunnies! The eggs symbolise “new life” and the resurrection of Christ. Again, traditionally, Easter Sunday is a family day and many families get together and have a similar dinner to Christmas Dinner or a tea, eating Hot Cross Buns (symbolising Christ’s cross) and Easter Biscuits and simnal cake.

The above are traditional celebrations and my family still celebrate this way (even though we are not particularly religious). I am not sure how many people still do – I think Easter, particularly, is often just thought of as a four day holiday now.

Birthday are a very BIG DEAL! You receive cards and presents from friends and family and normally have a party or special dinner. A birthday cake with candles is given to you and you have to blow them all out in one breath for good luck!

Halloween never used to be celebrated – apart from the tradition of making pumpkin lanterns, but in recent years the American trend of “Trick or Treat” has made its way to the UK (unfortunately!).

31.       libralady
5152 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 05:55 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting AEnigma III:



OK, I misunderstood you


Finallyyyy

Well AEnigma,that is really lovely,we do this too,we make big family dinner and gather everytime in a different house too.

How about food ? what is your Traditional food there ?



Assuming you are talking about traditional English food?

Roast dinners such as lamb beef and chicken and pork always used to be eaten on a Sunday, because people were very poor and could only afford one good meal a week. Normally it would be eaten with some vegetables what ever is in season or grown at home and potatoes, mashed or roast.

Fish would always be eaten on Friday (something to do with religion).

But I still cook traditional food, Shepherds pie, toad in the hole (sausages with yorkshire pudding), beef stew, pork chops, lambs chops, fish pie etc etc and I also cook continental food too.

I forgot to mention the most traditional dish of all - Fish and Chips wrapped in old newspaper with loads of salt and vinegar!!

Now traditional food is gradually becoming none existant - Indian, Chinese, Italian, Turkish take-a-ways, fast food from the USA MacDonlads, Pizza Hut, Frankie and Bennies. Kentucky fried chicken as now some people staple diet - that is why obesity is a massive problem. Go into any supermarket and buy your meals already done for you, just put in the oven or microwave.

Traditions in my country (England) have been erroded over many years, mainly I think due to changes in our society and our values, and mass immigration, which is now esculating. I recently saw a programme about Slough. A typical middle England town, close to what we call silicone valley, and one school had 70 different nationalties in it.

Everytime some nation comes to our country they bring a bit of their's with it. And then there is the goernment pally pally with USA and the stores, such as B & Q and WallMart who are trying to change our shopping habits to become more like American and you know what? We succumb to it.

You have hit on a huge subject Canli and to fully understand culture, you need to have studied it. No-one here can give you a full understanding of their culture and I am even suprised to think that you consider the "West" to be all the same. Who are the west?

32.       KeithL
1455 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 06:48 pm

My parents and I moved from Surheim, Bavaria to a small village town west of Minneapolis a month before my 5th birthday. It was at that time made up of all German immigrants, my family being one of the last German families to immigrate there. Then and to this day, most of our community life revolves around the church and the outdoors. Sundays, you went to mass in the morning (still in German) and afterwards, either my mother or another relative would make sunday dinner for 20-30 people. Was always 2 meats, a ham and a beef roast, several hot dishes (known as casseroles in the rest of america), homemade bread and desserts. The women would be in the kitchen, the men would be in the garage or the backyard and the kids would be everywhere.
During the week, mother would make 3 or 4 meals everyday. We started each day with a breakfast of bread, cheese, eggs and jams before my father went to work. My mother would then start cooking for dinner about 1.00 for the nightly dinner which was always meat, potatos, a vegetable, homemade bread and dessert. We would usually eat this about 17.00. We would then have a small dinner each night before bed (between 10.00 and 11.0, much like breakfast. Bread, cold meats, cheeses and coffee. Most nights, we would have friends over , a neighbor or other family members.
The area was full of lakes and woods, so then as today, our daily life was greatly affected by the outdoors and nature. We fished year round, 3 or 4 days a week in our canoes or off shore. In the winter, we drilled holes in the thick ice and built small houses on the lakes so we could fish in temperatures as cold as -40 and -50. When we werent fishing we were skating and playing hockey.
Holidays were much the same as Sunday dinners except rather than 30 people gathering, it was closer to 60. Christmas and Easter was always ham, with German style sidedishes. And of course our traditional Thanksgiving dinner was Turkey like all other Americans. During the summers, our area of minnesota was one festival after another, almost always with a German Theme. Every town had 2 or 3 festivals in the summer and fall so other than our own, we would go to other towns on saturdays for events such as bayernfest, sommerfest, zummerfest, Stiftungsfest, Oktoberfest.

33.       libralady
5152 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 07:43 pm

Quoting KeithL:

My parents and I moved from Surheim, Bavaria to a small village town west of Minneapolis a month before my 5th birthday. It was at that time made up of all German immigrants, my family being one of the last German families to immigrate there. Then and to this day, most of our community life revolves around the church and the outdoors. Sundays, you went to mass in the morning (still in German) and afterwards, either my mother or another relative would make sunday dinner for 20-30 people. Was always 2 meats, a ham and a beef roast, several hot dishes (known as casseroles in the rest of america), homemade bread and desserts. The women would be in the kitchen, the men would be in the garage or the backyard and the kids would be everywhere.
During the week, mother would make 3 or 4 meals everyday. We started each day with a breakfast of bread, cheese, eggs and jams before my father went to work. My mother would then start cooking for dinner about 1.00 for the nightly dinner which was always meat, potatos, a vegetable, homemade bread and dessert. We would usually eat this about 17.00. We would then have a small dinner each night before bed (between 10.00 and 11.0, much like breakfast. Bread, cold meats, cheeses and coffee. Most nights, we would have friends over , a neighbor or other family members.
The area was full of lakes and woods, so then as today, our daily life was greatly affected by the outdoors and nature. We fished year round, 3 or 4 days a week in our canoes or off shore. In the winter, we drilled holes in the thick ice and built small houses on the lakes so we could fish in temperatures as cold as -40 and -50. When we werent fishing we were skating and playing hockey.
Holidays were much the same as Sunday dinners except rather than 30 people gathering, it was closer to 60. Christmas and Easter was always ham, with German style sidedishes. And of course our traditional Thanksgiving dinner was Turkey like all other Americans. During the summers, our area of minnesota was one festival after another, almost always with a German Theme. Every town had 2 or 3 festivals in the summer and fall so other than our own, we would go to other towns on saturdays for events such as bayernfest, sommerfest, zummerfest, Stiftungsfest, Oktoberfest.



What a lovely reminiscence!

34.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 07:55 pm

Quoting KeithL:



Loved it too.

I hope we here more about other country's traditions in this thread

35.       Badiabdancer74
382 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 08:54 pm

Canli,
I am new here! HI!
No one ever answered your Turkey question. This is not a dumb question...how would someone know this if they live in another country? Here is the "kid" version of why there is Turkey on Thanksgiving.

Thanksgiving is when the Native Americans helped the early settlers on the east coast of America. When the Europeans first came to America and didn't know about the native foods etc. (maybe were going to die that winter without help) The Native Americans cooked some Turkey and shared with the settlers and had a big meal, squash, pumpkin, beans, corn. The spirit of the holiday is to give thanks for what you have, even if you only have very little.

Whether the Native Americans made a mistake in helping them is controversial...considering what the settler's, children's, children did to the Native Americans (AKA Indians).

There are so many people of different ethnicities you will see different meals for Thanksgiving. And every day meals as well

36.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 09:37 pm

Quoting Badiabdancer74:

Canli,
I am new here! HI!
No one ever answered your Turkey question. This is not a dumb question...how would someone know this if they live in another country?



Welcome to TC Badiabdancer
You are just new here,but if you were a regular member here,you would know Femme knows everything ,and she doesnt need anyone to tell her anything,she has İnternet

37.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 10:10 pm

The USA is a very multicultural, multiethnic society. On the coasts, New York and San Francisco you see more diversity than in the interior. As I have lived all my life on one coast or another it's difficult to comment on the interior.

New York City has a lot of Europeans as well as an influx of Caribbean and other immigrants. Walking down the street, you hear 20 different languages.

When I travel to other places, like Idaho, or Texas, I'm shocked at the cultural difference. Having spent very little time in those places, it's hard for me to talk about them other than they are very White and I only heard English being spoken. In Boise, ID I only saw one Black in a week. I did see a number of Mexicans, but they seemed to be pretty segregated from the other parts of that society.

CA and New York are less than 50% white. There is a very large Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese and other) community as well as Mexican and other Latin Americans, Blacks from the South and other groups from Africa (Ethiopia, Somalia, Nigeria, Eretria or other places in Africa) or Asia (India, Arab, Pakistan, Afghanistan)

California was part of New Spain, then Mexico prior to becoming part of the USA, thus there is a lot of Spanish colonial influence. That Spanish influence was from in large part recently Catholic Spain, thus a large part of the architecture has strong Morrish influence. You will see a lot of Palm trees in CA. In fact it looks so much like the Mediterranean it's hard to realize you aren't there.

The parts I've lived in are very heavily influenced by these different cultures. That is what I really love about where I live, the cultural diversity. I see Pakistani and Indian women with their Shalvar Chamis and Dupatas and the ladies with the saris, Ethiopian women in their beautiful traditional garments as well as other groups in their beautiful traditional costumes.

38.       catwoman
8933 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 10:28 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting CANLI:


Femme knows everything ,and she doesnt need anyone to tell her anything,she has İnternet


thats true: i do know how to use my half brain unlike highly educated people (or some successful business people)and dutch converts with high IQ scores.
i hate highly educated succesful people with high IQ scores who have no idea of what modesty is.


What are you talking about Femme??? Canli asked a very good question. If I read online about Poland, I'd probably learn a lot of stuff I never heard about! Plus, it's just a lot of commercial stereotyping. It was a wonderful question that Canli asked about people's ideas and feelings about their own cultures. She questioned the stereotypes that she was told by her own media. This is exactly how open-minded people learn about others!

39.       catwoman
8933 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 10:52 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

cato
just couldnt imagine that people lack banal knowledge, thats all!
turkey for thanksgiving, its a main part of american history, its a title story.
knowing nothing of USA this person has criticised the country countless times.
do they get their education (information) from bazar or what?


I'm sure many people get their education in bazaars, we all believe what we trust, even if it's wrong. If Canli criticized the US even though she was wrong, we can discuss that issue (without throwing stones at each other), but what she wrote in this thread, I think was very open-minded.

40.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 07 Aug 2007 Tue 10:57 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

oh, then i should give up squeezing lemons on her.



Save your lemons for a more worthy cause

One in my gin and tonic would be a good start

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