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60.       Trudy
7887 posts
 08 Aug 2007 Wed 06:27 pm

Just a few traditions in the Netherlands:

On April 30th we have every year our ‘Queens day’, a national holiday where people are dressed in orange (Orange is the official last name of our royalty), make fun, terraces are filled to the last chair, a flee market is in every little village or town and the royal family visits two places in the country. There they are ‘treated’ to old-Dutch games as sack-races, ‘koek-happen’ (eating cookies?), well I can’t explain, see for yourself: http://www.bibliotheekdenhaag.nl/agenda/images/koekhappen.jpg (this is our crown prince Willem-Alexander….)

When you have a baby it’s tradition you treat visitors, friends and colleagues on ‘beschuit met muisjes’ (rusk with sugar-coated aniseed). Again, see for yourself – it tastes delicious – pink is for girls and blue for boys: http://doof.nl/archief/beschuit.jpg

When it freezes a lot (more than minus 10 degrees for at least 5 days) we have a large ice skating tour in the northern province of Friesland, called ‘Elfstedentocht’ (eleven cities tour). A route of over 220 km! But because we don’t have that temperature every year, the last one was held in 1997. 16.000 people skated that year this monster tour (and many more wanted but were rejected) while hundreds of thousands people are watching them live.

Traditional food? First the herring. Two kinds: the raw salted ones with onions (yuk!) you have to slide through your throat like this: http://www.hollandcourier.com/wk-24_Ze_zijn_er_nu_echt_de_Hollandse_Nieuwe.jpg and the other one is pickled herring with gherkin (very nice). Other typical Dutch food are the several types of stew: hutspot (hotchpotch), boerenkool (kail) or zuurkool (sauerkraut).

Foreigners always say we are famous for a few things: tulips (actually Turkish….), wind mills, clogs and (Gouda) cheese. But they mostly find our ‘red light district’ in Amsterdam very interesting as well….

We used to be known for tolerance and freedom but, very much to my regrets, that’s becoming less and less. Borders are closing more and more for newcomers out of the EU, regulations for those who want to live here are tightened. Nationalism is growing awfully, we now have a political party in parliament (9 out of 150 ) that wants to send back all foreigners who don’t speak fluently Dutch or are unemployed. We also have Amsterdam, once the gay capital of Europe. Not that all people live there are gay, but there are many bars and tolerance was huge towards other lifestyles. Also that name we lost, fights are almost every week.

To end, some facts: The Netherlands are 1/21 of the size of Turkey; we have two official languages – Dutch and (in the north) Frisian; partly my country is below sea level; in the north there is sea and 5 inhabited islands, in the west there is sea, south Belgium and in the east Germany. My country is quite flat, only in the southeast there are some hills and our only ‘mountain’ of 324 metre high….

61.       suzieswimz
19 posts
 08 Aug 2007 Wed 07:02 pm

Historical view of Halloween

By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.

62.       libralady
5152 posts
 08 Aug 2007 Wed 07:04 pm

Quoting CANLI:



İ dont want to fully understand a culture LL,i dont want to study it,i want to live it from your words,from what you live day to day life,what you feel about it,the warmth the people talk about it here,the good things that you live it and cant read about it.
As femme said,i could've google it,but i wouldnt believe everything i read,i asked because i couldnt believe all the bad things i,ve read too,and saw in YOUR Media.

İ said our Media because its our channels,but its your movies and your programs.
İm here making same mistake again,and saying yours,its USA movies and programs,not UK.
İf you opened the satellite,and watch any foreign movie, you wouldnt see anything except the American ones,we've brought up on them,even we cant see others now without feeling we watch a strange movie !

And you know something,you have hit on a huge button here LL
What is the West to us ?
You know what,the West to us is USA,and all other countries are just alike.
Short minded thing to say,because there is even differences in each country,but,what we know about you,is what you send to us,so we know alot about USA 'maybe not all true,but its alot'
We know some about France too,she got its own Media 'movies...ect'
We know much about Italy and Greece,because somehow they are similar to us ,'Mediterraneans'
mmm but come to think of it,that is it, we dont know about other countries except they are similar to USA.



I have given this some more thought, I am not at work you see, so today I have some time on my hands!!

When I said about studying culture, I did not mean you spefically, as 'you' means anyone! Sorry that sounds a bit confusing but I am sure you know what I mean.

When I did my business degree I had a whole module on Culture, because when you travel abroad on business you have to understand some of the idiosyncrasies of that country.

Alot of the above posts relate to traditions often relating to specific religions, such as Christmas, Easter, etc, but culture is much wider and it is also how someone relates to each other, to time, to space, to colour, body language and so on.

So on that note, in the UK, we are obsessed with time, when you watch the news, they tell you the time every few minutes, to the minute on the radio too. We are generally very punctual and hate being late for anything, always on time for meetings (oh yes there are exceptions!!!)

Space, we like our personal space, not like Chinese people who like to crowd together. If someone stands to close to me, I step back.

Colour, mourning is tradionally black, red roses are for love, white lilys signify death, but in Islam, I believe mourning is white?

How we relate to each, we are either individualistic or collective to some degree or another, a very wide spectrum to choose from. From memory, Americans (not native Americans) are the most individualistic and Chinese / Japanese are the most collective.

Then you have the sub-cultures within a specific country, for instance, as I mentioned, indigenous groups such as the Native Americans, Aboringines, Maoris, Gipseys and other ethnic groups.

Then we have the influence of one culture onto another, as you mentioned your English speaking films are all American, the influence such companies as MacDonalds, Coke a Cola, Pepsi, Nike, etc etc have on a country causes alcuturation as the host country takes on those new concepts. Their culture is subtly changed.

I hope that has given you an idea of what I meant!

Well I have exhausted myself for one post - my record I think, never before have I written one so long and some of you I guess are saying well I hope never again! lol

63.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Aug 2007 Wed 11:04 pm

Quoting libralady:


Ohh yes LL,i got what you mean,its lovely point we didnt discuss it here too,ty
İ guess its better to wear white in mourning in İslam,but we were black too in Egypt

And btw,no,pls do it again and write it long as you can get it,its really full of helpful info

64.       ninja
157 posts
 09 Aug 2007 Thu 12:17 pm

Quote:


Space, we like our personal space, not like Chinese people who like to crowd together. If someone stands to close to me, I step back.


How we relate to each, we are either individualistic or collective to some degree or another, a very wide spectrum to choose from. From memory, Americans (not native Americans) are the most individualistic and Chinese / Japanese are the most collective.



Ask the Chinese in Hong Kong: do you like to be crowded?
I think most of us will tell you, we don't like to crowd together, but we have no choice! You know how small our city is! We like space very very much, which is so precious and priceless here in Hong Kong.
I can only say that Chinese are very family-oriented. Don't know whether this kind of strong family tie or relative/folk bonding is the "collectiveness" you were referring to.

65.       libralady
5152 posts
 09 Aug 2007 Thu 12:24 pm

Quoting ninja:

Quote:


Space, we like our personal space, not like Chinese people who like to crowd together. If someone stands to close to me, I step back.


How we relate to each, we are either individualistic or collective to some degree or another, a very wide spectrum to choose from. From memory, Americans (not native Americans) are the most individualistic and Chinese / Japanese are the most collective.



Ask the Chinese in Hong Kong: do you like to be crowded?
I think most of us will tell you, we don't like to crowd together, but we have no choice! You know how small our city is! We like space very very much, which is so precious and priceless here in Hong Kong.
I can only say that Chinese are very family-oriented. Don't know whether this kind of strong family tie or relative/folk bonding is the "collectiveness" you were referring to.



Being crowded and being close together are separate things. When I say space I mean personal space. Yes that is what I meant by collectiveness.

66.       ninja
157 posts
 09 Aug 2007 Thu 12:55 pm

In fact I got your meaning. So, despite the fact that we are very much family-oriented, we do cherish individual space. To some extent it is not a good habbit that people adopt and try to stay as "individual" as possible. You will see that in public transport, people choose to listen to their ipods or walkman, to play their NDS(portable electronic games), to watch the LCD TVs mounted on walls, to read...we choose not to look at anyone or express a friendly smile. Most of us don't want to be disturbed or to show friendliness no matter how close we are when squeezing into the train compartments. A typical metropolitan coolness. Isn't it?

67.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 09 Aug 2007 Thu 01:29 pm

Just to add a few things to what Catwoman typed about Poland: we are a nation of almost 40 mln inhabitants, 2 mln of which have emmigrated (mostly to the British Isles but also to The Netherlands and Sweden)ever since we joined the EU. Thus we flood the poor Brits and import more and more of their culture to our country. The process of absorbing American and British culture and lifestyle started even sooner with business investments. Now it seems harder to find a place with typical Polish food than McDonald's or Burger King.

Even our traditional holidays have changed. As it was pointed out we're vastly Catholic, which means we celebrate all kinds of church holidays, plus we have some national holidays like the independence day, the constitution day etc - all very serious and demure. As for more relaxed holidays there's new year's eve. Lots of parties everywhere, people getting drunk, singing aloud, usually the countdown takes place in public and after it people kiss and hug and wish each other happy new year. Then there are...no, not birthdays, we tend to celebrate something called namedays rather than birthdays although it's not a rule. As for me I like celebrating both (two presents a year!). As for "imported holidays" I am not sure I like St Valentine's Day. Not the idea of it but the notion that it got to Poland just because it sells. postcards, flowers, tacky gadgets yuck! Also, I couldn't believe my eyes when last year I saw kids in costumes on Halloween - it's definitely not the Polish way.

You've discussed being loud and crowding. We are not really loud and we're quite reserved not showing too many feelings. Oh, and we hardly ever smile, which also goes to shop assistants who'd rather give you a cold look asking "can I help you?" than a smile.

Men when they meet, they usually shake hands, no kissing (!) unless it is a birthday or nameday (then you kiss three times on the cheeks). A man and a woman would normally just say hello or also shake hands. With friends it's typically the same but sometimes you can see people kissing on the cheek (again, two women or a woman and a men but never two men).

68.       libralady
5152 posts
 09 Aug 2007 Thu 01:47 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

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My son works with two Polish lads that have come to the UK to work. They are great lads, despite their over indulgence of vodka that is strong enough to clean your silver.

There is a great allegiance with the UK and Poles, since the Second World War.

69.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 09 Aug 2007 Thu 07:45 pm

Quoting libralady:


There is a great allegiance with the UK and Poles, since the Second World War.


yeah, legendary polish pilots!

70.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Aug 2007 Tue 03:11 pm

Quoting Trudy:




Ohh,you know herring is our traditional meal on Şam Elnesim day 'Smelling the nature scent day'
İts a pharoh day
Our traditional meal on that day is smoked herring,fresh onion, and salted fish and i dont know its name,but you can see it here
http://www.alex4all.com/news/news.php?id=2807
And here http://www.egypty.com/Component/Photo/People_talk/20070406114227_People_talk_Photo2.jpg

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