Quoting KeithL:

Emin Çölaşan

So is this what we have to look forward to as Tayyip consolidates power? This is a disgrace...

(couldn't do the correct text in the title by the way, sorry)

Quoting KeithL:

Emin Çölaşan

So is this what we have to look forward to as Tayyip consolidates power? This is a disgrace...

(couldn't do the correct text in the title by the way, sorry)

Quoting KeithL:

He is one of Turkey's most popular journalists. He has written anti-tayyip articles in the past and recently wrote an article about tayyip's son avoiding military service. Tayyip pressured Hurriyet into firing him.

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The PM pressured a newspaper to fire a journalist? That sounds not good. Is there proof?

Quoting ciko:

well i am very glad that he is fired.. keithl..dont talk as if he was just innocent columnist. i am not sure if you know him well..dont you find it democratic? did you know that he was one of the biggest supporter of coups in Turkey? he is one of those god damned men who hide behind ataturk and talk everything they want or they believe on behalf of Ataturk. Be sure Turkey didnt lose anything. he was not criticizing Tayyip Erdogan.. he was insulting him..he used to insult everybody is religious.. he used to insult girls who cant study at universities just becasue they wear headscarf..and he is not the only columnist who talks about his son. why others still are not fired then? i think you had better search about him before talking like an excited Russian revolutionary from 1910's .

Quoting AlphaF:

NO CRAP HERE PLEASE.

Quoting KeithL:

I'm free speech. Freedom of the press.

Quoting KeithL:

well, he's not President, nor wil he be....
That would be impossible.

Quoting KeithL:

well, he's not President, nor wil he be....
That would be impossible.

Quoting KeithL:

Just so you know, I supported the "e-coup" also. And I am not the only Hurriyet reader that finds it disgusting that he was forced out.
yes, there are others who criticize tayyip in print, but none bigger. The AK Parti is making an example of him to scare other writers.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting KeithL:

It wont be erdogan, what are you talking about?

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting KeithL:

Actually, I like Gül. I think he is a good man. I wonder what Yaşar thinks about him?

Quoting KeithL:

Because I dont want ny AK Parti member to be president...
Their agenda is not in line with the constitution and they will try to change it.

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting ciko:

..becasue he looks like George Clooney?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: ..becasue he looks like George Clooney? Did somebody mention George Clooney? Suddenly I am interested

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Trudy: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: ..becasue he looks like George Clooney? Did somebody mention George Clooney? Suddenly I am interested He's married, Aenigma!

Quoting Trudy:

Specially for you: http://www.cafesiyaset.com/todays_photo/20070424135601.jpg

Though I find him here better looking: http://www.interet-general.info/IMG/Abdullah-Gul-1.jpg

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting elham:

Turkey, a democratic country

Quoting elham:

Quoting elham:

this picture to Abdullah-Gul not Ordogan

Quoting AEnigma III:

So - censorship of the media is only acceptable when it suits YOU? Hehehe - a nice idea ! I wonder if you felt the same things about censorship of certain novels talking about Armenia...?

Quoting ciko:

i think she will never be able to differentiate Gul and Erdogan

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: i think she will never be able to differentiate Gul and Erdogan Hehehe true! But...would I be able to differentiate YOU and George Clooney?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: i think she will never be able to differentiate Gul and Erdogan Hehehe true! But...would I be able to differentiate YOU and George Clooney? yes he is less handsome and a few inches taller than me

Quoting ciko:

well..camels are tall too but ten of them are led by one donkey

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: i think she will never be able to differentiate Gul and Erdogan Hehehe true! But...would I be able to differentiate YOU and George Clooney? yes he is less handsome and a few inches taller than me

Quoting AEnigma III:

Did somebody mention George Clooney?
Suddenly I am interested

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko:

well..camels are tall too but ten of them are led by one donkey

Quoting AEnigma III:

He is still an innocent non-public figure.

Anyway, it seems to me that some people just can't accept demoncracy in Turkey!!! How hard everyone has tried to stop him becoming president hahaha! Yet...here he is, voted in by the MAJORITY

Quoting ciko:

Quoting mltm:

I didnot know that you were a Tayyip supporter ... And talking about the democracy in a country where democracy is so new and was brought suddenly to people who were not ready for it.

Quoting elham:

All Arab world were happy when he succeeded in elections,

Quoting mltm:

If there is not secularism there is no democracy.
I support any military intervention if Gül becomes president for the name of DEMOCRACY.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Meltem I a NOTHING supporter However, I am glad this subject brought you back to TC and its interesting to note your lack of faith in your fellow countrymen's ability to deal with democracy

Quoting mltm:

I am back from a one week Turkey journey.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting mltm:

I'm back in istanbul again, and will be back to Lyon in two weeks ( I don't stay in Paris )

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting mltm:

Offff aenigma offf.... You fall in the mistake to consider Turkey as a perfect democratic country like a european state where there's no danger of a religious regime. We do not talk about ideal here, because it is not realistic for the current Turkey.

Turkey is a democratic secular country (in theory) there are cases where military intervention is necessary as a "last option" because Turkey is not a France where democracy works really good. Military is not ever mentioned there because there's no need but the existance of military in Turkey is very vital, not just because of the defence of the country but also because of keeping the secular regime. Military has a constitutional right to defend the regime, it can use this right that has been given to it, but later it leaves the control back to a civil gouvernment (and it has always left) but if an islamic country ever happens (this is what we fear and it is not a paranoic scenario as Tayyip says), all the secular system will be changed and we will never be able to talk about democracy.

Quoting mltm:

Offff aenigma offf.... You fall in the mistake to consider Turkey as a perfect democratic country like a european state where there's no danger of a religious regime. We do not talk about ideal here, because it is not realistic for the current Turkey.

Quoting mltm:

Quoting ciko: Quoting KeithL: well, he's not President, nor wil he be.... That would be impossible. he will be president at the end of august and you all have to accept that someone whose wife is headscarved in turkey could be president 47 % turks aproved it.. no matter what you say..this is democracy.. and i am so happy i love to see you narrow minded people so angry

Quoting AEnigma III:

I know NOTHING...N.O.T.H.I.N.G But its sooooooo fun to watch the argument ensue!

Quoting mltm:

Quoting ciko:

and you have no right to make foreign people think that Turkey is not a democratic country.

Quoting femme_fatal:

not all the foreign are blind or naive!

Quoting ciko:

Quoting mltm: Quoting ciko: Quoting KeithL: well, he's not President, nor wil he be.... That would be impossible. he will be president at the end of august and you all have to accept that someone whose wife is headscarved in turkey could be president 47 % turks aproved it.. no matter what you say..this is democracy.. and i am so happy i love to see you narrow minded people so angry You are being funny. I did not know that the 22 july elections was a referendum for the presidency of Gül. And this is not democracy. If a person whose ideology is very clearly against secularism can never be a president in a seculiar turkish republic. His wife is not the problem here. He has made so many speeches and he wrote so many things in the past againt the seculiar system. If there is not secularism there is no democracy. I support any military intervention if Gül becomes president for the name of DEMOCRACY.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko:

and you have no right to make foreign people think that Turkey is not a democratic country.

Quoting mltm:

Quoting ciko: Quoting mltm: Quoting ciko: Quoting KeithL: well, he's not President, nor wil he be.... That would be impossible. he will be president at the end of august and you all have to accept that someone whose wife is headscarved in turkey could be president 47 % turks aproved it.. no matter what you say..this is democracy.. and i am so happy i love to see you narrow minded people so angry You are being funny. I did not know that the 22 july elections was a referendum for the presidency of Gül. And this is not democracy. If a person whose ideology is very clearly against secularism can never be a president in a seculiar turkish republic. His wife is not the problem here. He has made so many speeches and he wrote so many things in the past againt the seculiar system. If there is not secularism there is no democracy. I support any military intervention if Gül becomes president for the name of DEMOCRACY. yes 22 july was not a referandum.. i assure if it was a rferandum.. Gul would get at last 65% of votes. how can you say his ideology against democracy? who do you think you are? how can you ignore those people? 47 % of these people vote that ideology. and yes he made speeches against secularism ..10 years ago..have you not changed in 10 years? ah i forgot you white Turks never change..for 60 years..your brains ar frozen!!! i am sure even if tayyip gets 90 % of votes you would still think system is in danger..because you are only one who know what is good for this country eh? you support any military intervention and you call yourself seculiar eh? you are the one who is being funny mltm. i feel sorry for you because you still cant see realities of this country despite a Turkey Journey...you white Turks.. Democracy is rising up in this country whether you want or not.

Quoting mltm:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko:

phew secular mltm ..you are making me laugh..poor you..still call yourself secular are you saying nearly 50 % of people vote AKP for only bread? this means " turks are so stupid that they can not see what is good for them..but we secular white turks can think about everything instead of them."

Quoting ciko:

phew secular mltm ..you are making me laugh..poor you..still call yourself secular are you saying nearly 50 % of people vote AKP for only bread? this means " turks are so stupid that they can not see what is good for them..but we secular white turks can think about everything instead of them."

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Quoting AEnigma III:

This "they are too uneducated to really know what they want, we are doing this for their own good" attitude reminds me of something.....

....wait...it will come to me soon ...

Quoting mltm:

A Sharia state:

"We know better than any muslim about how to be a good muslim"

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting mltm:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: A Sharia state: "We know better than any muslim about how to be a good muslim" You are just scare-mongering Meltie I dont believe for a minute that Turkish want such a state

Quoting AEnigma III:

You are just scare-mongering Meltie I dont believe for a minute that Turkish want such a state

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting mltm:

Quoting KeithL:

Emin Çölaşan

So is this what we have to look forward to as Tayyip consolidates power? This is a disgrace...

(couldn't do the correct text in the title by the way, sorry)

Quoting AEnigma III:

Turkey is in a unique position (as everybody knows) and some are keen for it to become part of the “west”. The US will happily pour as much money as it can into fulfilling the dreams of these elite Istanbulians. Turkey should stand alone (as it has throughout history) and achieve things THEIR way. More will be gained in the long term from Turkey remaining TURKISH than from Turkey becoming the 51st State of the US.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Fancy a coffee anyone?

I just made a pot

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Catwoman!!

I never expected YOU to accuse me of allowing any man to change my views! I dont support any party here, I am just making a point. Just speaking facts as I see them. Convert to Islam? An old agnostic like me?

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting ciko:

well i am very glad that he is fired.. keithl..dont talk as if he was just innocent columnist. i am not sure if you know him well..dont you find it democratic? did you know that he was one of the biggest supporter of coups in Turkey? he is one of those god damned men who hide behind ataturk and talk everything they want or they believe on behalf of Ataturk. Be sure Turkey didnt lose anything. he was not criticizing Tayyip Erdogan.. he was insulting him..he used to insult everybody is religious.. he used to insult girls who cant study at universities just becasue they wear headscarf..and he is not the only columnist who talks about his son. why others still are not fired then? i think you had better search about him before talking like an excited Russian revolutionary from 1910's .

Quoting AEnigma III:

But I am trying to tell you that my "world view" hasn't actually changed! I have certainly never been anti-Islam, or any other religion!

Quoting catwoman:

Oh... then my joke failed..
I didn't mean that you were anti Islam (gee how did you get there?), nobody who's anti-AKP is anti Islam here (or at least that's not the reason of being anti Akp).

Quoting mltm:

Why do we agree with eachother today?

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

We are just arguing amongst ourselves here because we miss Qdemir so much....

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting caliptrix:

As catwoman is here, I want to ask: you only care the forum rules when there are many people speak who are against to your ideas?

Quoting AEnigma III:

I just HATE elitism. Who exactly are arguing this point here? An ex-pat Austrian-American living in Istanbul, a highly educated Turk living in Dubai, a Polish/Kazakhstani anti-Islamist and an affluent girl living in both France and Turkey!!! Hardly representative of the Turkish people.

80% of Turkish are muslim, so are they saying that 80% of the population are not eligible to be President?

Yes, an Muslim President COULD, at his/her most extreme turn Turkey into an Islamic state OR they could also continue Turkey’s secular position with more sympathy to religious faith and continue progress in Turkey’s economic and democratic progress with less division and more support from the whole population.

Turkey is in a unique position (as everybody knows) and some are keen for it to become part of the “west”. The US will happily pour as much money as it can into fulfilling the dreams of these elite Istanbulians. Turkey should stand alone (as it has throughout history) and achieve things THEIR way. More will be gained in the long term from Turkey remaining TURKISH than from Turkey becoming the 51st State of the US.

Just my view…

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting MrX67:

i think Yunus has answered to all elitiests by this this lines be4 ages>>>>>http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/E/EmreYunus/Knowledgesho.htm

Quoting KeithL:

Elitist???
I like that title. I am going to put that on my business cards for now on. Thanks for the appointment AIII!!

Quoting janissary:

Çölaşan should look for a Newspaper to Write in USA. He will be free to write everything about Bush.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting elham:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting janissary: Çölaşan should look for a Newspaper to Write in USA. He will be free to write everything about Bush. I will be happy to be his assistant

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting elham: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting janissary: Çölaşan should look for a Newspaper to Write in USA. He will be free to write everything about Bush. I will be happy to be his assistant , you are my assistant, dont leave me

Quoting AEnigma III: