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1.       kurtlovesgrunge
1435 posts
 16 Aug 2007 Thu 02:42 am

FM Abdullah Gül is very close to being elected Turkey's 11th president. He will probably be elected on Aug. 28, during the third round of voting where a simple majority will suffice. Gül's wife will be Turkey's first headscarf wearing first lady

ANKARA – Turkish Daily News


Foreign Minister Abdullah Gül from the Islamic-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP) is very close to becoming the new head of state. With the AKP's majority in Parliament, Gül is likely to be elected in the third round of voting on Aug. 28, just two days before the military's Victory Day celebrations.

“I saw the support of my friends in my party and I announced my candidacy,” said Gül yesterday in his first statement on his presidential bid. He also made his official application for the presidential candidacy yesterday with the support of more than 250 AKP deputies. Parliament's Speaker Köksal Toptan received Gül's application and wished him success in his presidential bid.

The AKP failed to elect Foreign Minister Abdullah Gül as president in April following a harsh warning from the military. The Constitutional Court annulled the first round of elections and ruled that the quorum, 367 deputies, was not met in Parliament. “Gül will be an impartial president,” said Akif Gülle, advisor to Prime Minister Erdoğan in a press statement he made on behalf of the AKP. This is the only statement made by the party so far on Gül's candidacy.

The deadline for submitting candidacy applications is midnight Aug. 19. The first round of elections is set for Aug. 20, the second round for Aug. 24 and the third round for Aug. 28. Gül's wants to be elected in the first round of elections where at least 367 votes are necessary. The 340-seat AKP needs 27 more votes for achieving this but so far only a few independent candidates said they will vote for Gül.



DTP considering voting for Gül

Gül plans to meet the officials of the Democratic Society Party (DTP) today. But the DTP's Selahattin Demirtaş yesterday said they will be present during the presidential elections but they will think about voting for Gül only after today's meeting. Demirtaş said they don't share such concerns that secularism will be under threat if Gül is elected. The DTP has 20 seats in Parliament.



Gül thanks Bahçeli

Gül's first stop was at the MHP's headquarters, a party with 70 seats in Parliament. Foreign Minister Gül said he thanked Devlet Bahçeli for his positive opposition and for confirming that the MHP group will be present during the presidential elections. Bahçeli already helped bring relief to Gül by saying that they will enter Parliament even though they will not vote for Gül. The MHP's decision cleared the way for Gül to run for president.

The MHP is not expected to vote for Gül. Cihan Paçacı, the MHP's secretary general, said they plan to nominate a MHP deputy for president, speaking to reporters yesterday. Mehmet Şandır, deputy leader of the MHP, speaking to reporters in Mersin yesterday, said that the AKP will turn the presidential elections into a crisis. “In April it was the regime crisis but now it is the AKP's crisis. We'll all see whether Erdoğan and others in his party will vote for Gül,” Şandır said.



CHP rejects Gül's request to meet

Gül went to the offices of the Democratic Left Party (DSP) to meet Zeki Sezer. Gül could not get the support of the DSP. Meanwhile the Republican People's Party (CHP) criticized the AKP and Erdoğan yesterday for not seeking compromise on the presidential process. Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, deputy parliamentary group leader, said Erdoğan did not keep his promise and preferred to impose his candidate. The CHP will not enter Parliament during the presidential elections. Furthermore the CHP turned down a request by Abdullah Gül to meet and discuss his presidential bid.



Handover on Aug. 28?

If Gül is elected on Aug. 28 he will immediately take his oath in Parliament and will take over the office from current President Ahmet Necdet Sezer. Sezer does not plan to invite Abdullah Gül's wife for the handover ceremony. If elected on Aug. 28, Gül's first major public appearance as president will be during the Victory Day ceremony on Aug. 30.


2.       elham
579 posts
 16 Aug 2007 Thu 06:43 pm

Gül's wife will be Turkey's first headscarf wearing first lady
thats nice
Sezer does not plan to invite Abdullah Gül's wife for the handover ceremony
they try to do something Comfort them

3.       MET
16 posts
 16 Aug 2007 Thu 06:50 pm

We ll remember those "4 years - hopefully less" as dark clouds on Turkey. Hopefully AKP leader RTE and all his team will movew to the US where his teacher "..one old turkish (?) guy" lives.

God bless Turks even from so called- Turks

4.       CANLI
5084 posts
 16 Aug 2007 Thu 07:20 pm

Quoting MET:

We ll remember those "4 years - hopefully less" as dark clouds on Turkey. Hopefully AKP leader RTE and all his team will movew to the US where his teacher "..one old turkish (?) guy" lives.

God bless Turks even from so called- Turks


İm amazed !
Stunned,... you name it !
Turkiye experiencing one of the very important experience in her history
Which is Democracy

A man been elected by most of the people,of course not for him personally,but for what he represent.

So its choice of the people,and yet he's been attacked even before he starts,and considering the next 4 yrs is a dark cloud even before you test it,and give it even the benefit of doubt!

Why not helping him to reach understanding most of you would approve ?
After all,you would be helping your country in its own experience !

And if he fails,and you see he's not working for you,then you can state what you want in the next election!

İsn't that Democracy ?
Or Democracy is WONDERFUL when it present what you want only ?!

Enjoy the experience while it last !

And plsss,dont give me that crap about Türkiye is a special country with a special stiuation.
Every country can say same too,and rule the country the way they like
We afraid to be İslamic,İran afraid to be Western,.....ect

And so on, same concept,one loser,The PEOPLE
Cant you see ?!

5.       ciko
784 posts
 17 Aug 2007 Fri 12:57 am

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting MET:

We ll remember those "4 years - hopefully less" as dark clouds on Turkey. Hopefully AKP leader RTE and all his team will movew to the US where his teacher "..one old turkish (?) guy" lives.

God bless Turks even from so called- Turks


İm amazed !
Stunned,... you name it !
Turkiye experiencing one of the very important experience in her history
Which is Democracy

A man been elected by most of the people,of course not for him personally,but for what he represent.

So its choice of the people,and yet he's been attacked even before he starts,and considering the next 4 yrs is a dark cloud even before you test it,and give it even the benefit of doubt!

Why not helping him to reach understanding most of you would approve ?
After all,you would be helping your country in its own experience !

And if he fails,and you see he's not working for you,then you can state what you want in the next election!

İsn't that Democracy ?
Or Democracy is WONDERFUL when it present what you want only ?!

Enjoy the experience while it last !

And plsss,dont give me that crap about Türkiye is a special country with a special stiuation.
Every country can say same too,and rule the country the way they like
We afraid to be İslamic,İran afraid to be Western,.....ect

And so on, same concept,one loser,The PEOPLE
Cant you see ?!



do not waste your time to persuade him Canli. MET and people like him will never be able to accept democracy in Turkey. nevermind

and MET you are the most bigoted person i ever MET!!..good ryhme! hehehe may not be funny but i made myself laugh

6.       mltm
3690 posts
 17 Aug 2007 Fri 01:32 am

Democracy and R. Tayyip Erdoğan and his brothers... They do not go well together. Have you forgot what he was saying a few years ago?? "Democracy is just a tool for us, it's like a train, when we come to where we want to come, we leave it"

7.       kurtlovesgrunge
1435 posts
 17 Aug 2007 Fri 01:38 am

mltm unfortunately 47 percent of Turkey today only saw the simple things they have done for our country...

8.       mltm
3690 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 11:46 pm

I'd like to give you some "interesting" results of a recent research carried out in Turkey. Maybe, you may get a better understanding of the danger coming. More and more we're getting closer to a religious state, and the turkish society is getting more and more religious. And there's no doubt that in the coming years, together we'll see how the secular democratic Turkey turns to an Islamic state.


1)"Are the holy books or the scientific foundings more important in order to understand the world and the universe?"

59% of the AKP (party of conservatives/islamists) voters
46% of the MHP (party of ultra nationalistes) voters
15% of the CHP (party of social democrats)voters

have stated that "the holy books are more important"

2)"Is it sin for a woman to wear swimsuit/bikini on the beach, at the pool?"

83% of the AKP voters
63% of the MHP voters
14% of the CHP voters

have said: "yes, it's a sin"

3)"During the Ramadan, should the restaurants stay open during the day or stay close until the breaking of the Ramadan fast?"

53% of the AKP voters
30% of the MHP voters
12% of the CHP voters

have answered this as "they should stay close"


We're in a democratic state, so if the majority of the people want they can bring Sharia to Turkey. That would be very democratic!

9.       catwoman
8933 posts
 24 Aug 2007 Fri 12:01 am

Quoting mltm:

We're in a democratic state, so if the majority of the people want they can bring Sharia to Turkey. That would be very democratic!


Unfortunately, until that point, it will be very democratic...

10.       CANLI
5084 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 01:37 am

Quoting mltm:

I'd like to give you some "interesting" results of a recent research carried out in Turkey. Maybe, you may get a better understanding of the danger coming. More and more we're getting closer to a religious state, and the turkish society is getting more and more religious. And there's no doubt that in the coming years, together we'll see how the secular democratic Turkey turns to an Islamic state.


1)"Are the holy books or the scientific foundings more important in order to understand the world and the universe?"

59% of the AKP (party of conservatives/islamists) voters
46% of the MHP (party of ultra nationalistes) voters
15% of the CHP (party of social democrats)voters

have stated that "the holy books are more important"

2)"Is it sin for a woman to wear swimsuit/bikini on the beach, at the pool?"

83% of the AKP voters
63% of the MHP voters
14% of the CHP voters

have said: "yes, it's a sin"

3)"During the Ramadan, should the restaurants stay open during the day or stay close until the breaking of the Ramadan fast?"

53% of the AKP voters
30% of the MHP voters
12% of the CHP voters

have answered this as "they should stay close"


We're in a democratic state, so if the majority of the people want they can bring Sharia to Turkey. That would be very democratic!


mltm,are those the statistics which you build you worries about ?
As if you come to a Muslim person and ask drinking alcohol are sin or not ?!

First one,
1)"Are the holy books or the scientific foundings more important in order to understand the world and the universe?"
The Holy books order human to think,to study,but scientific foundings doesnt order people to understand their religions,so who is wider ?

Second one,
2)"Is it sin for a woman to wear swimsuit/bikini on the beach, at the pool?"
İt is a sin for a woman to wear swimsuit/bikini because it is Haram!
what do you expect them to say?
İts allowed in İslam ?
İf the question was
2)"should woman be punished for wearing swimsuit/bikini on the beach, at the pool?"

İn that case,i can understand your worries !

Third one,
3)"During the Ramadan, should the restaurants stay open during the day or stay close until the breaking of the Ramadan fast?"
İm against it too,and as i can see,not all the AKP were with it too
İslam didnt say anything about closing restaurants during Ramadan
Who doesnt want to fast,it something between him and ALLAH

And something else,why are you talking about AKP only ?
MHP voted almost same,
Doesnt that tell you something ?!

11.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 01:50 pm

Quoting elham:

Gül's wife will be Turkey's first headscarf wearing first lady
thats nice
Sezer does not plan to invite Abdullah Gül's wife for the handover ceremony
they try to do something Comfort them



Ataturk's wife also wearing scarf sometimes... she wont be the first i am afraid...

but as long as we have people thinking like you... thats too bad... instead of talking about how they look like and wear and using this as a political term, they should consider what they can make good things about Turkey...

not all of the country is Muslim here and you cant control and have right to do this... when governing a country you should try to be obejcetive as much as you can...

12.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 02:47 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Ataturk's wife also wearing scarf sometimes... she wont be the first i am afraid...

but as long as we have people thinking like you... thats too bad... instead of talking about how they look like and wear and using this as a political term, they should consider what they can make good things about Turkey...

not all of the country is Muslim here and you cant control and have right to do this... when governing a country you should try to be obejcetive as much as you can...



Very true

13.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 03:44 pm

our people really get bored about the unproductive political discussions since 1950's,so we just need more developing,more job,more sharing,more caring and more democratical tomorrows and we have to respect people's wishes,Turkey not only country of elitists....

14.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 03:56 pm

Quoting MrX67:

our people really get bored about the unproductive political discussions since 1950's,so we just need more developing,more job,more sharing,more caring and more democratical tomorrows and we have to respect people's wishes,Turkey not only country of elitists....



how did you come up with this here now, is hard to understand, its a fact that our people are uneducated and its nearly the population that what AKP government get now... cant you see that they support societies like they support football team?

what did they do in the last 5 years that they will make lots of things now... if they had done something really... my father wouldnt be retired in his 45 and getting a second job now... which he was a real good police officer...

who won was only the brotherhood of AKP no one else... i am sorry but this is the fact...

15.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:02 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting MrX67:

our people really get bored about the unproductive political discussions since 1950's,so we just need more developing,more job,more sharing,more caring and more democratical tomorrows and we have to respect people's wishes,Turkey not only country of elitists....



how did you come up with this here now, is hard to understand, its a fact that our people are uneducated and its nearly the population that what AKP government get now... cant you see that they support societies like they support football team?

what did they do in the last 5 years that they will make lots of things now... if they had done something really... my father wouldnt be retired in his 45 and getting a second job now... which he was a real good police officer...

who won was only the brotherhood of AKP no one else... i am sorry but this is the fact...

may be you don't like AKP team but we all have to respect results of elections ,and don't forget thats not another force beyond the national volition and political stablization the most important thing for developing or the more powerfull economy,so thats better to wait a long while with patiance ..

16.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:11 pm

Quoting MrX67:

may be you don't like AKP team but we all have to respect results of elections ,and don't forget thats not another force beyond the national volition and political stablization the most important thing for developing or the more powerfull economy,so thats better to wait a long while with patiance ..



My friend, it is not the problem that i dont like AKP or not... and this election result were not surprising for me, because the AKP played the game really well during the propaganda times... they knew how to reach societies heart,

what matter is that i dont like anyone in government who doesnt work! it doesnt matter if its A,B or C person...i want to something is moving on... but what they do is just nonsense..
as if our country is not losing time... their defining their candidate at the last time... i want work! thats all!

17.       elham
579 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:15 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting elham:

Gül's wife will be Turkey's first headscarf wearing first lady
thats nice
Sezer does not plan to invite Abdullah Gül's wife for the handover ceremony
they try to do something Comfort them



Ataturk's wife also wearing scarf sometimes... she wont be the first i am afraid...

but as long as we have people thinking like you... thats too bad... instead of talking about how they look like and wear and using this as a political term, they should consider what they can make good things about Turkey...

not all of the country is Muslim here and you cant control and have right to do this... when governing a country you should try to be obejcetive as much as you can...


From my point of view so far do not understand how a piece of cloth Put on the head pose a threat to the state system
Personal freedom, including the freedom to choose appropriate clothing urgent need any society wants evolution, it is not the right of any power to compel people to a certain ambiguity or confusion of what it wants if the dress acceptable to the community
so who worried or afraid to be the First Lady wearing a veil without considering what the new president will do, is a bad thinking
Finally I would like to admire the first lady,who standing in front of a secular extremist scientific way smart not succumb to pressures and temptations, but proved its position of refusing to rip woman, and I think that helped her husband in consistent position, although he is a man of political attempts to ascend to power in the country secular extremist

18.       elham
579 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:21 pm

i like Gul s saying in a press conference"I am, will be as head of State, if elected, and not my wife, emphasizing thatis her personal choice."

19.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:22 pm

Quoting elham:


From my point of view so far do not understand how a piece of cloth Put on the head pose a threat to the state system
Personal freedom, including the freedom to choose appropriate clothing urgent need any society wants evolution, it is not the right of any power to compel people to a certain ambiguity or confusion of what it wants if the dress acceptable to the community
so who worried or afraid to be the First Lady wearing a veil without considering what the new president will do, is a bad thinking
Finally I would like to admire the first lady,who standing in front of a secular extremist scientific way smart not succumb to pressures and temptations, but proved its position of refusing to rip woman, and I think that helped her husband in consistent position, although he is a man of political attempts to ascend to power in the country secular extremist



i dont even care if his wife poses around with a bikini...
but stating oh she will be first one with head scarf...
this is wrong! you just mention that head scarf has something to do... you just give material to the outcoming discussions..

and for Gul? how do you know this man? about his past? what did he do for foreign affairs? now he will be make good president for turkey?

the only point i love about him is that.. he has a good speach and very good knowledge about english... but the rest is no good! even he had some skandals about Central Banking of Turkey...

politics are not that easy my friend...
in turkey there is politic with money... not with work...

20.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:23 pm

Quoting elham:

i like Guls saying in a press conference"I am, will be as head of State, if elected, and not my wife, emphasizing thatis her personal choice."



i told you... Gul has a really great speach...but he is not doing anything so far... we will see... but i am not that hopefull thats all...

21.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:27 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting MrX67:

may be you don't like AKP team but we all have to respect results of elections ,and don't forget thats not another force beyond the national volition and political stablization the most important thing for developing or the more powerfull economy,so thats better to wait a long while with patiance ..



My friend, it is not the problem that i dont like AKP or not... and this election result were not surprising for me, because the AKP played the game really well during the propaganda times... they knew how to reach societies heart,

what matter is that i dont like anyone in government who doesnt work! it doesnt matter if its A,B or C person...i want to something is moving on... but what they do is just nonsense..
as if our country is not losing time... their defining their candidate at the last time... i want work! thats all!

impossible to don't be agree with ur words brother,but you know Turkey lost many times at the past and problems became more and more,so to fix this big economical,social and political problems not easy in a short term,so we have to be a bit more patiance for see the good responses...

22.       elham
579 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:27 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting elham:


From my point of view so far do not understand how a piece of cloth Put on the head pose a threat to the state system
Personal freedom, including the freedom to choose appropriate clothing urgent need any society wants evolution, it is not the right of any power to compel people to a certain ambiguity or confusion of what it wants if the dress acceptable to the community
so who worried or afraid to be the First Lady wearing a veil without considering what the new president will do, is a bad thinking
Finally I would like to admire the first lady,who standing in front of a secular extremist scientific way smart not succumb to pressures and temptations, but proved its position of refusing to rip woman, and I think that helped her husband in consistent position, although he is a man of political attempts to ascend to power in the country secular extremist



politics are not that easy my friend...
in turkey there is politic with money... not with work...


thanks for advice my friend......

23.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:31 pm

Quoting MrX67:

impossible to don't be agree with ur words brother,but you know Turkey lost many times at the past and problems became more and more,so to fix this big economical,social and political problems not easy in a short term,so we have to be a bit more patiance for see the good responses...



Believe me my friend, if they can risk, if they have any single gut to risk, what they have! it is so easy to achieve very good things in a short term...

24.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:33 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting MrX67:

impossible to don't be agree with ur words brother,but you know Turkey lost many times at the past and problems became more and more,so to fix this big economical,social and political problems not easy in a short term,so we have to be a bit more patiance for see the good responses...



Believe me my friend, if they can risk, if they have any single gut to risk, what they have! it is so easy to achieve very good things in a short term...

but i think our great country's dynamics and conditions not convenient for take big risks,isn't it?

25.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 04:38 pm

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting MrX67:

impossible to don't be agree with ur words brother,but you know Turkey lost many times at the past and problems became more and more,so to fix this big economical,social and political problems not easy in a short term,so we have to be a bit more patiance for see the good responses...



Believe me my friend, if they can risk, if they have any single gut to risk, what they have! it is so easy to achieve very good things in a short term...

but i think our great country's dynamics and conditions not convenient for take big risks,isn't it?



it is only the risk of putting their pride on the table and nothing else... and hearing some mourmours like a whistle of a fly nothing else...

you know better than me... till this time what dynamics they played with and nothing happened...

26.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 05:02 pm

i believe that everythings will be finer in this wonderfull and great country when we try to understand each other a bit more and when we don't blame each other with to be other.)we have to set real conditions of democracy by to be tolerated to diversities in democratical rules..

27.       elham
579 posts
 25 Aug 2007 Sat 05:10 pm

Quoting MrX67:

i believe that everythings will be finer in this wonderfull and great country when we try to understand each other a bit more and when we don't blame each other with to be other.)we have to set real conditions of democracy by to be tolerated to diversities in democratical rules..


we hope that
God chooses definitely good for us

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