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20.       teaschip
3870 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 07:49 pm

She did not give you consent? In other words, you raped her?

21.       pagliaccio
770 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 09:56 pm

Yes, a kind of...

22.       teaschip
3870 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 10:06 pm

Well I don't think there is a "kind of" you either did or you didn't. If you did committ this crime, did you serve time?

23.       pagliaccio
770 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 10:16 pm

Serving time would be the easiest punishment, I think. Inside me are full of prisons, gallowses, executioners... Every day I am in the prisons, every day I get hung, every day my head gets cut... No, I didn't serve time. Let's say I served time. Would you forgive me afterwards?

24.       teaschip
3870 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 10:28 pm

Well, if you did it to me one of us wouldn't be here. You or me would either be dead. Since your alive, you need to go see a therapist and do some heavy repenting. Your focus shouldn't be on getting forgiveness from the victim, which most likely won't happen. But you need to see a professional who can try to help you. You need to help yourself instead of writing these posts. If you have an ounce of respect left for yourself, go talk to a professional. If not, I'm afraid you may likely do it again..

25.       Badiabdancer74
382 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 11:14 pm

Even if he does get help he is likely to do it again, that is what the statistics say. In the United States they have something called "Sex Offense specific therapy" you can sign yourself up. Maybe there is something similar in Turkey. I tell you this for your victim and potential victims. Shame is something that causes people to re-offend, you have loads of it based on your posts. You are not safe if you know you raped someone and you answer "sort of". Consent is a tricky issue but you know in your heart whether what happened was ok or not, and apparently you know it was not. Iyi sanslar.

26.       pagliaccio
770 posts
 24 Aug 2007 Fri 12:00 am

teaschip - thank you so much for your opinions and advices. I did appreciate them.

27.       pagliaccio
770 posts
 24 Aug 2007 Fri 12:12 am

Quoting Badiabdancer74:

I tell you this for your victim and potential victims. Shame is something that causes people to re-offend, you have loads of it based on your posts. You are not safe if you know you raped someone and you answer "sort of". Consent is a tricky issue but you know in your heart whether what happened was ok or not, and apparently you know it was not. Iyi sanslar.



Thank you so much badiabdancer. I did appreciate your opinions as well. But I think I couldn't make myself clear enough. I am no more at the point of whether I think what I did is bad, whether I feel shame of myself, whether I am criminal, whether I am sinful. I did already pass these stages, since they are so much obvious and I already tried to reveal these points many times, both through personal correspondings and posting publicly around here. I just want to find out if I will and should remain a "sinful" (a pervert/bastard/asshole /disgust creature) forever and forever people will regard me as so. No matter how much I change in good way, no matter how much I have suffered and felt regret and vowed not to commit such sin again, no matter how much I have served time, will I be regarded by people as such disgust creature ALWAYS AND FOREVER? This I want to find out.

28.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 24 Aug 2007 Fri 07:05 pm

I can't tell you anything about it in public dear old friend, but check your PM box.

29.       maisie
31 posts
 24 Aug 2007 Fri 07:15 pm

I really do think you should give yourself 'a break' and stop torturing yourself...time heals all wounds - I believe this to be true. Learn to like yourself and you may be surprised at the forgiveness you eventually receive - the more you 'push' for forgiveness the further away you will be from receiving it

30.       CANLI
5084 posts
 24 Aug 2007 Fri 07:19 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting pagliaccio:

I am not ready, at least for today, to tell what my sin, crime, badness(whatever you like to call it) is. But I do really want to tell everyone what my crime/sin is.



Why? Why do you insist on talking about it? Why do you insist on publicly embarassing your "victim" ?


+10000000000000000

Least you can do STOP posting about it in public,STOP reminding her of what she want to forget !

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