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to be religious or to be ethical ,which one is priority?
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:26 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1: I think most religions are based on the intent of having good ethics. I believe they go hand in hand, like a partnership. Without having one to feed the other, you tend to starve. I teach a class in cultural diversity and ethics and most companies in the U.S. have adopted this type of training and education for their colleagues. "We are a diversed nation, unlike others here who would like to pertray us as ignorant. |
OMG! 
I hate this kind of crap. So....I have no religion so it follows I have no ethics eh? |
I should have saved this for next month. I didn't say you had to be religous, but most people have morals and ethics instilled in you. Even though you may not be religious, I'm sorry to deliver the news to you, but this is the foundation of what religion is based on. |
Well you DID say that "religion and ethics go hand and hand..without having one to feed the other, you tend to starve" so WHAT ELSE can this mean but that you say I have no ethics!
Actually I am sorry to deliver the news to you, but the foundation of religion is FEAR OF DEATH!!!
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:33 pm |
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"Fear of Death" for some this maybe true, but who the heck isn't afraid to die? I can tell you that most people who are devoted to their religion receives a much deeper meaning and impact from their practice than just the reassurance of the after life.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:36 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko:
so what? can you say to be religious is selfish only according to this? it is stupid of some arabic muslims in UK. nothing more. |
well, it is the same with turks in germany btw.
and all different muslim communities in all western european countries. |
i have many relatives and friends in Germany. and most of them or their daughters do not wear headscarf. and they are not radical muslims at all. you are generalising as usual
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:36 pm |
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So you changed your mind about the foundation of religion? So easily? 
Professional sociologists and anthropologists have often wondered what causes religion, and what psychological purpose it serves. Many have also noted that the fear of death provides a reason for various religious beliefs:
“Later functionalists included the anthropologist, Bronishaw Malinowski (1884-1942). In his principal book, Magic, Science and Religion and Other Essays (1948), he wrote that social phenomenon such as religion fulfill a function in relation to human psychological needs. In the case of religion, this function is to provide psychological safeguards against the fear of death and thus give human beings the feeling of mastery over their fate.â€
"The Phenomenon Of Religion" by M. Momen
Equally noted, the astute mind of Einstein also discerned in religion a response to fear of death. Einstein wrote in 1930 that "with primitive man it is above all fear that evokes religious notions - fear of hunger, wild beasts, sickness, death".
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:41 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko:
so what? can you say to be religious is selfish only according to this? it is stupid of some arabic muslims in UK. nothing more. |
well, it is the same with turks in germany btw.
and all different muslim communities in all western european countries. |
i have many relatives and friends in Germany. and most of them or their daughters do not wear headscarf. and they are not radical muslims at all. you are generalising as usual |
your friends are not the whole muslim communities, if you dont mind. there are millions of them who create sort of gettos in many cities and dont mix up with others.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:45 pm |
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No, I haven't changed my mind at all. Einstein was also an intravert, so it's no wonder he had these opinions. Who the heck did he have to look forward to seeing, when he died.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:45 pm |
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Everyone has natural ethics if they receive a loving childhood. Ethics are born of empathy which is created by nurture.
Unfortunately in the UK we are breeding a percentage of clinically diagnosed psychopaths incapable of empathy and therefore unethical, purely due to lack of love and neglect.
Don't tell me that ethics have anything to do with religion 
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:46 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko:
so what? can you say to be religious is selfish only according to this? it is stupid of some arabic muslims in UK. nothing more. |
well, it is the same with turks in germany btw.
and all different muslim communities in all western european countries. |
i have many relatives and friends in Germany. and most of them or their daughters do not wear headscarf. and they are not radical muslims at all. you are generalising as usual |
your friends are not the whole muslim communities, if you dont mind. there are millions of them who create sort of gettos in many cities and dont mix up with others. |
those who you see in western countries are not whole muslims communities.even if there are millions of them create gettos it is not about religion it is a sociological fact. chiristians would do same if muslim countries were rich and powerful and if they were minorities in islam world.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:47 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Professional sociologists and anthropologists have often wondered what causes religion, and what psychological purpose it serves. Many have also noted that the fear of death provides a reason for various religious beliefs |
I don't think that there's only ONE psychological purpose or foundation for religion. It's actually a very complex phenomenon.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:47 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: No, I haven't changed my mind at all. Einstein was also an intravert, so it's no wonder he had these opinions. Who the heck did he have to look forward to seeing, when he died. |
An intravert? You mean introvert? What difference does that make?
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:49 pm |
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I don't recall putting ONE in my post. Yes, there are many foundations in religion, but morals and ethics are a critical piece.
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