Quoting AEnigma III:

Good question To me, it sometimes seems that to be religious is only to protect yourself (or soul) so its selfish. To be ethical is to be concerned for other people (so is unselfish)...

Quoting AEnigma III:

To me, it sometimes seems that to be religious is only to protect yourself (or soul) so its selfish. ..

Quoting ciko:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko: Quoting AEnigma III: To me, it sometimes seems that to be religious is only to protect yourself (or soul) so its selfish. .. i dont know how it is in other religions but in islam to be religious is not selfish about 2/3 of koran is about social life.

Quoting MrX67:

if we can find to true alternative i think will not much need to discussion about beliefs?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Hmmm ok then please explain this story A well known journalist in the UK, who is normally a foreign correspondent in Arab countries (and has many friends there) recently made a series of documentaries in the UK about the immigrant muslim community. What he discovered horrified him.

In the UK, many muslims live an ENTIRELY separate life. They create a separate part of each town and NEVER venture out of it. They use their own public transport and even their own taxi services only. The ones who agreed to be interviewed said that they did not want to socialise in any way with English people because they were "evil".

He managed to interview a 10 year old girl, born in England, and asked "how many English people do you know, or have you met, in your life".

Her reply?

"One, my teacher"

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting ciko:

so what? can you say to be religious is selfish only according to this? it is stupid of some arabic muslims in UK. nothing more.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Hmmm ok then please explain this story A well known journalist in the UK, who is normally a foreign correspondent in Arab countries (and has many friends there) recently made a series of documentaries in the UK about the immigrant muslim community. What he discovered horrified him.

In the UK, many muslims live an ENTIRELY separate life. They create a separate part of each town and NEVER venture out of it. They use their own public transport and even their own taxi services only. The ones who agreed to be interviewed said that they did not want to socialise in any way with English people because they were "evil".

He managed to interview a 10 year old girl, born in England, and asked "how many English people do you know, or have you met, in your life".

Her reply?

"One, my teacher"

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting elham:

i think the name of our TC will be TURKISH LANGUAGE CLASS
AND RELIGIONS
What happened all threads talk about RELIGIONS
i forget learn turkish becausse these threads :-S

Quoting elham:

i think the name of our TC will be TURKISH LANGUAGE CLASS
AND RELIGIONS
What happened all threads talk about RELIGIONS
i forget learn turkish becausse these threads :-S

Quoting AEnigma III:

Heheh well its endlessly fascinating to me. I learn more from here than I ever would from English muslims (because they wont talk to me )

Quoting ciko:

..70 % muslims get islam wrong. islam for them means only covering up and praying..so i cannot blame you to think like that it is our own fault

Quoting ciko:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko: Quoting AEnigma III: Heheh well its endlessly fascinating to me. I learn more from here than I ever would from English muslims (because they wont talk to me ) awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww ...easy..get a koran and read it you can see if it is about social life or just selfish things then

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting ciko:

if you think it is waste of time you will never have right to comment about qoran

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting MrX67:

i think thats better to find more common things then to make deeper to diverisities

Quoting ciko:

Quoting ciko:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: if you think it is waste of time you will never have right to comment about qoran I dont! The point is, that unless you are a muslim, your viewpoint will never "matter" just because you read the Koran. It makes no difference to some people. i mean you should read qoran to understand the religion, not to make SOME people here agree with you

Quoting KeithL:

The funny thing is, the Bible and the Koran have so many similarities. The percepted difference between Islam and Christianity and Islam are more political then philosophy. Its amazing how much more Islam is accepted in Canada than in the United States. "We" fear what we don't know. More education all around is the key to all our "differences".
(Am I in the right thread?)

Quoting ciko:

of course you never use qoran to make people agree with you..but you should not say you guess it is waste of time becasue it makes no difference to some people..what i mean is that you should read it for yourself. and i think you misunderstood me

Quoting KeithL:

The funny thing is, the Bible and the Koran have so many similarities. The percepted difference between Islam and Christianity and Islam are more political then philosophy. Its amazing how much more Islam is accepted in Canada than in the United States. "We" fear what we don't know. More education all around is the key to all our "differences".
(Am I in the right thread?)

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko:

hehehe no i have never rad bible because i have never been interested in it.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting CANLI: Quoting KeithL: KeithL,surprisingly as it may sound im agreeing with you TOTALY İ guess for change ,huh ?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Hmmm ok then please explain this story A well known journalist in the UK, who is normally a foreign correspondent in Arab countries (and has many friends there) recently made a series of documentaries in the UK about the immigrant muslim community. What he discovered horrified him.

In the UK, many muslims live an ENTIRELY separate life. They create a separate part of each town and NEVER venture out of it. They use their own public transport and even their own taxi services only. The ones who agreed to be interviewed said that they did not want to socialise in any way with English people because they were "evil".

He managed to interview a 10 year old girl, born in England, and asked "how many English people do you know, or have you met, in your life".

Her reply?

"One, my teacher"

Quoting ciko:

so what? can you say to be religious is selfish only according to this? it is stupid of some arabic muslims in UK. nothing more.

Quoting teaschip1:

I think most religions are based on the intent of having good ethics. I believe they go hand in hand, like a partnership. Without having one to feed the other, you tend to starve. I teach a class in cultural diversity and ethics and most companies in the U.S. have adopted this type of training and education for their colleagues. "We are a diversed nation, unlike others here who would like to pertray us as ignorant.

Quoting ciko:

culture and religion are different things to eachother i love to discover cultures..but am not so willing to know other religions mine is boring enough

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1: I think most religions are based on the intent of having good ethics. I believe they go hand in hand, like a partnership. Without having one to feed the other, you tend to starve. I teach a class in cultural diversity and ethics and most companies in the U.S. have adopted this type of training and education for their colleagues. "We are a diversed nation, unlike others here who would like to pertray us as ignorant. OMG! I hate this kind of crap. So....I have no religion so it follows I have no ethics eh?

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Professional sociologists and anthropologists have often wondered what causes religion, and what psychological purpose it serves. Many have also noted that the fear of death provides a reason for various religious beliefs

Quoting teaschip1:

No, I haven't changed my mind at all. Einstein was also an intravert, so it's no wonder he had these opinions. Who the heck did he have to look forward to seeing, when he died.

Quoting teaschip1:

I don't recall putting ONE in my post. Yes, there are many foundations in religion, but morals and ethics are a critical piece.

Quoting ciko:

i have many relatives and friends in Germany. and most of them or their daughters do not wear headscarf. and they are not radical muslims at all. you are generalising as usual

Quoting AEnigma III:

Everyone has natural ethics if they receive a loving childhood. Ethics are born of empathy which is created by nurture.

Unfortunately in the UK we are breeding a percentage of clinically diagnosed psychopaths incapable of empathy and therefore unethical, purely due to lack of love and neglect.

Don't tell me that ethics have anything to do with religion

Quoting ciko:

well, as far as i know lowest crime rate inthe world is in the countries known faithless ..which means being good person or savory person is not related to religion...to be religiosu does not make anyone good or bad it just gives you some peace.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting ciko:

it just gives you some peace.

Quoting ciko:

well, as far as i know lowest crime rate inthe world is in the countries known faithless ..which means being good person or savory person is not related to religion...to be religiosu does not make anyone good or bad it just gives you some peace.

Quoting ciko:

ok ok i give up.i am wrong..to discuss with you and femme about anything is useless

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting catwoman: Quoting ciko: ok ok i give up.i am wrong..to discuss with you and femme about anything is useless Post of the day!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting catwoman: Quoting ciko: ok ok i give up.i am wrong..to discuss with you and femme about anything is useless Post of the day!

Quoting ruthless87:

I am too suspicious to believe in some thing without questioning it.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting catwoman: Quoting ciko: ok ok i give up.i am wrong..to discuss with you and femme about anything is useless Post of the day! a dream post!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Do you question? I am sure you don't question, you attack and insult!!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Is it your dream to be so arrogant that you drive everyone else away?

Quoting ciko:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting ciko: Quoting catwoman: Quoting ciko: i have many relatives and friends in Germany. and most of them or their daughters do not wear headscarf. and they are not radical muslims at all. you are generalising as usual Oh, as if you are never generalizing yourself! Actually Femme doesn't ALWAYS generalize, and you just generalized her! She didn't mean that all Turks in Germany live in ghettos, but that many of them do. It's a well known phenomenon in Germany, though certainly not all Turks do that. ok ok i give up.i am wrong..to discuss with you and femme about anything is useless

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1: I don't recall putting ONE in my post. Yes, there are many foundations in religion, but morals and ethics are a critical piece. Strange As a "believer" I would have thought your answer to "what are the foundations of religion" would have been "GOD"

Quoting ciko:

culture and religion are different things to eachother i love to discover cultures..but am not so willing to know other religions mine is boring enough

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

just last nite i had the same conversation with a german family who is my neighbour here in austria...

his sentence was: "they accept a german woman to be in love with their sons, but not their girls to be in love with german men..."
anyway we all know...

Quoting teaschip1:

I actually have three.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting CANLI: Quoting ciko: culture and religion are different things to eachother i love to discover cultures..but am not so willing to know other religions mine is boring enough Being Muslim doesnt give you the right to talk like this about İslam. İ dont think any Christian or Jewish would appreciate it if you call their religions boring,and certainly wont any Muslim too accept it to İslam too. İf it is that boring,so why are you Muslim?! Pls watch your words! everyone is entitled to speak up his/her mind

Quoting ciko:

Thank you so much queen Femme for allowing me to have an opinion this time. it is strange that you only allow opinions when you agree with them. Actually I was making a joke,was having fun with aenigma but it was a stupid joke and apologise if it caused offence to Canli..

Quote:

Quoting femme_fatal:

yeah, even you canli are entitled to say anything...

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko:

but it is still good to know you cos you make me feel clever

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko:

you are one of those who only insult and belittle people whose oppinons dont agree with you..you are nothing more..sad but true

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: but it is still good to know you cos you make me feel clever DONT JOIN FEMMES GANG!!! Join mine Its much nicer - we have parties (without lemon) and and and great food and and we have Robbie Williams as a member, and and.... the membership fees are fair (1000 YTL per month) ...

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Trudy: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: but it is still good to know you cos you make me feel clever DONT JOIN FEMMES GANG!!! Join mine Its much nicer - we have parties (without lemon) and and and great food and and we have Robbie Williams as a member, and and.... the membership fees are fair (1000 YTL per month) ... Isn't George a member?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Trudy: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: but it is still good to know you cos you make me feel clever DONT JOIN FEMMES GANG!!! Join mine Its much nicer - we have parties (without lemon) and and and great food and and we have Robbie Williams as a member, and and.... the membership fees are fair (1000 YTL per month) ... Isn't George a member?

Quoting femme_fatal:

george? robbie?

i know michael, madonna, elvis, JLO, britni spirits

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Everyone has natural ethics if they receive a loving childhood. Ethics are born of empathy which is created by nurture.

Unfortunately in the UK we are breeding a percentage of clinically diagnosed psychopaths incapable of empathy and therefore unethical, purely due to lack of love and neglect.

Don't tell me that ethics have anything to do with religion

Quoting Elisabeth:

....it is a very good point that you make AEnigma, but it is difficult to separate the two in my mind. Gosh, I have confused myself now!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

The change in society and breeding psychopaths, although true, could (arguably ) be credited to lack of religious guidance!

Quoting bod:

Personally I suspect that it is the other way round

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting bod:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting bod: Personally I suspect that it is the other way round Me too

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting MrX67:

if we can find to true alternative i think will not much need to discussion about beliefs?