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how to say 'me to...'
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06 Jan 2006 Fri 12:52 pm |
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Quoting salukvadze: Good luck to all learners!
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I think we need more then luck 
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07 Jan 2006 Sat 03:53 am |
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07 Jan 2006 Sat 04:31 am |
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Quoting salukvadze: First of all all the learners must know that there is no term in Turkish as infinitive, but "mastar hali" which is completely different and who wants to know about it must forget what is infinitive in English, because Turkish Language cannot be expressed by the English Grammar Terms.This is what confuses the learners.
The most popular examples to show what is infinitive in English are:
let him go
allow him to go
Infinitive in English is non-finite form of a verb used with or without to.
Both sentences above translated in Turkish without useing -mek or -mak which are used to put a verb in "mastar hali"
Good luck to all learners!
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Actually, a lot of grammatical terms in English are fairly broad, therefore there ARE similarities between the infinitive in Turkish and the infinitive in English. You appear to have deliberatly chosen two examples which ARE different in Turkish, but only because Turkish has extra moods for dealing with certain events. They are also not good examples of the infinitive, they are good examples of the subjunctive. Good examples of the infinitive would be:
bare infinitive:
do
see
sit
full infinitive:
to see
to sit
to go
Also, remember that Turkish is an agglutinative language whereas English is a very "split" (analytic) language, which is where a lot of the differences come from.
The examples you mentioned above are a combination of bare infinitive and full infinitive. Turkish uses full infinitives a lot.
Your mistake is to say that Turkish and English grammar is completely different. Every language has differences as they have more moods, tenses and different concepts, but they still have similarities.
Quoting salukvadze: yes,bod,it seems so,and if you are still one of those who thinks an adjective can be put either in front or after a noun in exactly the same way in English,you really have a long way to go in Turkish then.I am afraid you will say soon that an adjective can be used as a verb in Turkish.Good luck again!
p.s.I know this is not your fault but just what you are told or so... |
Again:
Your comments on adjectives are wrong and misleading. There are two forms of adjective in Turkish that correspond exactly as they do in English, but the use of an indefinite article with an adjective to modify a noun in Turkish reverses the English word order.
What is your background in linguistics? You seem to not understand the concept of core similarities in grammar for universal translation.
I'm just glad you're not talking about noun cases in Finnish.
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07 Jan 2006 Sat 10:49 am |
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07 Jan 2006 Sat 01:47 pm |
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Quoting salukvadze: well, I would not want to talk about the infinitive and adjectives to a person like you who even does not understand the examples above.
p.s. even a child knows that adjectives never follow the nouns in Turkish,but you do not...strange!... |
Regardless of whether or not what you say is correct, do you think you are being consistent with the aims of this site??? Namely to help people learn Türkçe!
In my experience, critisism the is the most effective impedement to learning......
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07 Jan 2006 Sat 03:19 pm |
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07 Jan 2006 Sat 04:36 pm |
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Boys....boys.....come on! i don't want to have to delete this useful thread on the basis that the fighting is getting out of hand. Hot debate is ok! Personal insults however mild are not! cool it please. 
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07 Jan 2006 Sat 05:23 pm |
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Hey! dont look at me!......I am definitely innocent 
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07 Jan 2006 Sat 05:53 pm |
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Quoting salukvadze: Before taking a strong objection to what I say, you had better learn a bit more Turkish as you really need it more than anything if you challange me to fight.
Only the following example is enough to show what is your level in Turkish.Read it carefully and if you have any new objection, please let me know...
bod:
I know that with nouns the adjective can be put either in front or after the noun in exactly the same way as in English:
Bu yaramaz köpek - this is a naughty dog
Bu köpek yaramaz - this dog is naughty
teanga:
The first example doesn't make any sense. Bu yaramaz köpek means something along the lines of "This naughty is dog". I think you mean to to say "Bu yaramaz bir köpek", which means "This is a naughty dog".
salukvadze:
"bu yaramaz köpek" makes sense (bu yaramaz köpek=this naughty dog)See the examples below:
bu yaramaz köpek kimin?
bu yaramaz köpeği burdan alıp götürün!
senin bu yaramaz köpeğin bugün ne yaptı biliyor musun?
need some more examples?
well, I would not want to talk about the infinitive and adjectives to a person like you who even does not understand the examples above.
p.s. even a child knows that adjectives never follow the nouns in Turkish,but you do not...strange!...
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Part of what I wrote in the above is infact a mistake, you're correct. I do apologise for having a life and rushing when typing.
I could indeed say "bu yaramaz köpek güzel" This naughty dog is 'pretty'.
Yes, "bu yaramaz köpek" does mean "This naughty dog", which makes little sense in English on it's own. There are also a few more translations for that sentence.
Adjectives that follow nouns in Turkish are called predicate adjectives. "bu köpek yaramaz" is this dog is naughty. Adjectives that come before the noun and qualify the noun are called attribute adjectives. Adjectives that don't qualify a noun when they precede them are called substantives.
Bu kısa kız - This short girl
Bu kız kısa - This girl is short
Bu kısa bir kız - This is a short girl
Please note though that when you use predicate adjectives, it's more of a factual statement.
You also accused me of using a different nickname. Trust me, I don't and you most certainly don't know me.
Improve your english and knowledge of english grammar while you're at it as well.
As for "you don't know Turkish", sounds stupid when aimed at someone who has lived with Turks his entire life.
Please don't make it out like you're a linguist, grammarian or translator, when all you do is make false claims about a language you know little about. I'm quite willing to help people learn, without being nasty.
If you have anything else to say, you are more than welcome to discuss it with me via private message. I'm not one for flame wars.
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07 Jan 2006 Sat 08:08 pm |
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