Watch for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fOzyi2gz_U

Just one word: ridiculous!

It's worse then that... it's very scary!

Unfortunately I am unable to view YouTube at work, but am happy to confirm that the UK went mad several years ago! Maybe this is why that in England, for example, English people are emigrating at a rate of one person every 3 seconds, according to recent statistics

what a democratic country i want to go there

No one else with comment? I really would like to hear what YOU think of this.

It's embarrassing to be perfectly honest. If we're not careful it'll spiral out of control, picking and choosing...he's taking the mick really.

Every once in a while some person here in the US makes a big fuss about not doing something because it is against their religion. Every once in a while some insane judge seems to take the bait and make some crazy exception. It never lasts for long. Once enough people find out what is going on the decision is usually overturned.....hope that happens in this case. Seems a shame for a majority to give up their rights to accommodate the rights of one guy.

i dont thing that is "madness"..in my opinion that can be described as "rationalism"
All we know the events between Palestine and Israel.And all we know that the emmbassies are Other countries lands.
Now let me ask, What if a terrorist attack occurs in Israel embassy? and what if the officer,protecting the embassy, is a Muslim Arabic or even a Palestenian that day?
Wont people doubt of that officer that day? Wont British Police organisation been accused by its choice? I am sure the events can turn to be a global diplomatic chrisis.
The UK has a firm political tredition. If that is decided that has been argued with Mossad..May be the demand was from Israel secret service.
Friends, World is in a transection period..And its meaningful if a country doesnt want to charge any doubts..

Absurd! To let someone that has chosen the profession of a police officer, to choose who they are going to "protect and serve". Very infuriating!

Without the benefit of YouTube at present, may I just ask if this is about the YEAR OLD story of the policeman "refusing" to work outside the Israeli Embassy?

In that case, please don't jump onto the gutter press "anti muslim" bandwagon.

To put this story in context.

(1) The police officer did NOT ASK to be excused from guarding the Israeli Embassy.
To be precise, he made his superiors aware of certain personal factors. His superiors then did a risk assessment and took the decision accordingly.

(2) He had already been working at the embassy for some time before he made the request, which was solely based on increasing tension and media attention at the embassy.

(3) This is not about moral objection but simply protecting one's family. This man has family in the Lebanon and Syria who were receiving televised news from outside the embassy.

I hate Fox News with a passion. Always the buzzwords to appeal to narrow-minded, politically unaware Americans, who blindly vote for Bush-like candidates...
Eurabia? Nice word. They should patent it...

But, I do agree with the facts of the story. If cop doesn't want to perform his assignment, he should be suspended from duty...

You have to try harder next time trudy. Maybe ask for some tips from femme!!

oops, its Catwoman that needs to try harder.

Thanks for sharing your insight Aenigma

I agree completely with KeithL on this matter and I think it's sad to see how that propaganda machine is trying to stir up religious conflicts. They are supposed to be a professional news station, how can they not check up on their stories?? Disappointing.

Argh....this is disgusting! I could not open up the first link without logging in, but second one was bad enough. Unfortunatly such things exist. We should not focus on them.
Most Americans are NOT like this. In this situation you have a lot of adolescents whose hormones are still in emotional developmental flux.

Of course, many signed up because they really thought they were fighting for a just cause, or they needed and thought they would get much needed educational benefits. One should realize as wekk that some professions attract a percentage of people who like to lord it over others with their power. I believe these people are called sociopaths or psycopathic personalities.

Being in a protracted conflict situation wears on the mind and can cause those in it to go "bezerk". It must be very difficult to be in a situation where you are constantly in peril of being hit with a IED or other type of device. You can't tell who the enemy is.

I read once that the Vikings recognized this condition and limited their people to a certain amount of time so as to prevent them going bezerk.

Humans are in essense at our base pack animals. We can revert rapidly to a "us" and "them" mentality. The most basic obvious parametors are set for the "them" and the "us". "They" are brown, wear certain types of garments and so forth.

Let's hope we soon recognize we are all part of the whole and stop this stupid counterproductive hateful behaviour. There are enough problems without making more.

There are high and low in every people. This weekend I heard a wonderful program on "This American Life"

http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1205

Act One. And So We Meet Again.

Sam Slaven is an Iraq War veteran who came home from the War plagued by feelings of hate and anger toward Muslims. TAL producer Lisa Pollak tells the story of the unusual action Sam took to change himself, and the Muslim students who helped him do it. (34 minutes)

i am disgusted of the videos..howww?howwwwwwww???i was going to write that includes my feelings less but..howw its not possible right now...
what kind of profession are u talking about? i would never be a Palestinian who has to save Israel ambassy..we are human..not robots...

Laila, what the hell do these videos have to do with the topic? And... now that you have made the dubious decision to post them, may I just point out that these are NOT UK soliders in the UK Soldier link. They are American uniforms...

What is your point in posting these links, I would dearly love to know. Do you think we agree with what is happening on these videos? Or is it an attempt to stir up hatred on this website now.

The first post proved to be not controversial enough for you, so you decided to spark another argument here? You show very poor judgement...

Thank you for clearing up the orginal "Fox news report". I should know better, and take what the news media reports with a grain of salt.

As far as that horribly disgusting video of the American soldier, I truly hope people realise that not all American people are like this or condone this type of behavior. That soldier should have been brought up on charges. What a cruel and mean person.

actually i think what Laila did is all right..The police event is all about that movies because..

I don't understand Aenigma why you said that this video is anti-Islam? It said nothing about Islam, but about somebody deciding what he will do despite his job duties. We can question the bias of Fox news, but there is no question that the UK is probably the best example of how the West failed to defend its values and is becoming dangerously radicalized. There are MANY other sources that prove this. I'm sure you've heard of Londonistan.

Personally I have to say that the clips they showed of regular muslim praying, if I had been narrowminded, that would offend me because it tells me that they are trying to put all muslims in the same group as this police officer who has this "horrible", "racist" view of the world. I know exactly what they are trying to do, because that's what they do over and over again in my birth country.
But, of course, I can only laugh at their ignorance (And be sad because there's people who actually believe anything they see on tv and who will now have a twisted view of muslims)

uk was always mad

i agree, uk is mad!
holland, denmark, germany, belgium, sweden, norway and france are all mad. i call these countries eurabia or united eumirates, or euro-caliphats.
before its too late (or before its still sort of a europe), let me take an advantage and say:
"GOODBYE western EUROPE!"

Could you elaborate on that? And possibly read this thread?

uk is not going mad, uk is mad!!!

There is a point that is hard to understand!!West Europa exploit Middle east's natural and human sources even destroy them..
then after those people has to create a life in western europe, most western europeans ignore that people..
did u know just to build a mosque in greece what kind of arguments was made before 2004 olympics? people didnt want that mosque on the way to the city coming from the airport not to accept "eurabia" in slovenia parlaiment didnt let a mosque to be build in ljubliana some years ago? why? till where will western people ignore muslims? and the comic reason is "values" hahaha..like society is changing values changes..may be western people was wrong somewhere? why is that norrowmind to values?
like East will learn sth. from west, west also has to learn sth from East. and both sides has to change sth. in their values to create a better world. not to see a bad dream again like france events, spain and london bombs...Plistine and Iraq occupation..
Emphty is a thing that has two sides and we must consider that police event thinking those again...

all these additional comments have nothing to do with the Fox News story. Fox News is incredible for telling misleading stories that favor "Bush politics'. this story follows that agenda. Anti-muslim.

You would love my bumper sticker then KeithL... I have been Hannitized... If you feel that Fox News is unfair and unbalanced, my goodness look at CNN for example and other networks. I might as well get my tie dyes back out and vote for my girlfriend Hillary. I may even move to Turkey then.

oeince
why cant non-muslims build their own places of worship in the middle east? why should my friends suffer from being non-muslims? why should others be afraid to declare that they are not muslims? why should they always hide?
why? why? why?

as for the muslims in eurabia: they have all their full rights equally with all others, the muslims in eurabia (who mainly live in muslim gettos with no contact with non-muslims) demand more rights and they get more rights.
one of the silliest things europeans have achieved lately is, as my friends from uk say, is that today if a white and a black apply for the same position it is guaranteed that the black will get the job.
if muslims in eurabia have a miserable life as it is described in pro-islamic papers, why do they then live in eurabia? why do millions of them stay in the queue in front of western embassies everyday to get visas?

why do millions of them stay in the queue in front of western embassies everyday to get visas?
if u tell me the similarity between somalians-Aborjins-Asteks-Inkas-Mayas-Even jewishes i ll gladly answer that question..

the muslims in eurabia (who mainly live in muslim gettos with no contact with non-muslims
If western people are ready to contact with them..lets warn them to go a step further..
however u are right here..they must afford more to addapt the system of the country they go..like i criticise western goverments in some points i also criticise the people who doesnt want to accept they are in an other country..


why cant non-muslims build their own places of worship in the middle east? thats exactly wrong..just look insight Kabe..

One more point..yes its hard to be a non muslim in muslim territories..
both sides has to understand that either muslims and non muslims are just human..like we all are..
i cant stand if a side ignores the other side and their needs..

The video is worrying..not just me i think noone here support that extermism..that just runs the world to a war!!
If one side attcks the other,the other sides attacks too..that will never change till the end of the world..
Friends, "Alliance of Civilizations" is not a dream..Turkey-Spain and UN pay too many attantion on that idea..I think we all have a responsibility to support that idea in our own countries to create a social press for peace in the World.
We all need... http://www.unaoc.org/

No, but Turkish Class is...

And I take it, you would believe who wrote this article John Podesta, former Chief of Staff to President Clinton is honorable and trustworthy...hmm interesting. I think you have been away to long. No mention of Hillary, huh? Let me guess a Carey, Edwards fan?

and as far as being gone too long, I hated Limbaugh and Hannity before I left. And I didnt hate Bush until it was obvious he lied about WMD. I supported the Irak War until this was exposed and powell resigned. Powell was the only person in the administration with honor...

Well you won't have to worry about Bush very soon. We all will have more problems to deal with here, if we Americans don't vote wisely the next time around..I was never a fan of Limbaugh either but Hannity & Ann Coulter I love.

More problems than now? Home foreclosures at a 20 year high? Unemployment at a 20 year high? Vehicle reposession at a 20 year high? How much worse is it going to get?

Tea,
Honestly, tell me what you hate most about bill clinton. where did he fail you as a President?

his sax maybe?

I always ask this question to "Bill-haters" and their answers are usually ridiculous. If they answer at all.

The honest answer for many uninformed Americans might be, "because Hannity and Limbaugh told me to hate them". I would at least respect their honesty.

Well let's see, simply stated he sits next to Andrew Johnson as far as the two Presidents in American history who were impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives. At least Nixon had the dignity to resign before he was impeached. I could write out a least of his failures as well. As far as unemployment, do you really know anything about unemployment it basically does not exsist here in the U.S. I'm not sure where your getting your figures from, but they are not accurate. Have you ever heard of people spending way too much. I guess you want to blame the President for peoples vehicles getting repoed, are you serious?

I didnt ask for an obscure, article trashing Clinton. I asked what you and tea personally don't like about Clinton and how he screwed up america. Ask most anti-bushies and we can rattle these off by the handful without having to resort to "googling".

"You don't need to think, let hannity and limbaugh do the thinking for you"

I have to agree somewhat with KeithL. I was never a huge Clinton fan, but other than his personal life, it is really difficult for me to find specific reasons why I don't like him. On the other hand, I don't always hate every decision that Bush has made either. I don't agree with his agenda on Iraq, but he has done a lot for education (at least on the elementary school level). I think history will judge both of these men and hopefully it won't be as bad as we think it is. It is so difficult to cut thru all the media hype and see the truth. Mostly I just feel confused about politics.

Might I add, for which it cost over 50 million dollars to find out and prove?

How stupid of me. It is Clinton's fault for the plight of the turkish economy, isnt it?

and like I said earlier, rather than address the real issue of the question, "why do you dislike Clinton?" the tables are turned on Turkey's bad economy.

Seriously, are the topics related somehow?

I'm not looking for an argument either. just an answer It was suggested that Clinton was a bad President. I only asked why? Other than the sex incident.

Well of course Clinton had no morality. He had 3 chances to bring in Bin Laden and failed to do this. What about Saddam, he also never finished what he started in Iraq.
He also signed a 1996 bill making life more difficult for undocumented immigrants, while at the same time choosing to make it possible for millions more to enter the country and face horrific exploitation at the hands of U.S. corporations. What about his failures of the healthcare reform. But what the heck the economy was good, so who cares if he didn't have morals and a backbone..

I don't need your personal attacks here. Call me mental, insane and no morals. So I'm going to make a sane decision and not continue to debate Clinton with you. I do find it ironic, you defending someone who clearly has no morals. I wonder what kind of character you are.

Me? I'm the kind of person that doesn't believe talk radio propaganda that says we need to make the world one big "Christian Club". Thats the kind of person I am.

And I'm also the kind of person that knows that not all members of the Repubican Party are moral and not all members of the Democratic Party are immoral.

But I know thats not what is "taught" by Hannity...

I never made any assumptions. Agreeing with a woman media person in America who thinks we should invade muslim countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity is dangerous and immoral.

Reverse the words christian and muslim (islam) in that sentence and I think people in America might consider that a terroristic comment. Publishing that statement in the newspaper might even get one arrested under the patriot act.

One more thing. Are you aware of what religion people that live in Turkey are by the way????

Oh don't bother with HER Keith - she is just an All-American girl. Now, more importantly ....CAN YOU COOK A GOOD BREAKFAST?

Is the US going mad? Should we follow their example?

Controversy and Criticism
Many Muslim Americans especially have been criticized for supporting terrorism, fundamentalist ideas or views which are contrary to the American society and mindset. In Minneapolis, Minnesota, some Muslim cab drivers have refused passengers carrying alcoholic beverages or dogs (including disabled passengers with guide dogs). There are reported incidents in which Muslims cashiers in grocery stores have refused to sell pork products.

The largest Muslim civil rights organization in America, CAIR has been accused of supporting terrorism. The University of Michigan-Dearborn and a public college in Minnesota has also been criticized for accommodating Islamic prayer rituals by constructing footbaths for Muslim students using tax payers money. This exception made only for Muslims goes against the college's long standing policy of not promoting religion and also against the US Constitution.

A San Diego public elementary school is being heavily criticized for accommodating of American Muslims by adding Arabic to its curriculum and giving breaks for Muslim prayers. By making these exceptions only for Muslims, the school is being criticized for either endorsing Islam or crossing the line separating the church and the state, which is unacceptable for a public school in a multi-religious American society.

The first American Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison has openly compared President George W. Bush to Hitler and said that he might be responsible for 9/11 attacks.

A 2006 poll conducted by the Pew Research Center, it was discovered that 26% of American Muslims under the age of 30 supported suicide bombings against civilian targets often or at least in some circumstances. Among those over the age of 30, 13% expressed their support for the same. (9% of Muslims over 30 and 5% under 30 chose not to answer). Based on these findings, Fox News and Yahoo News have reported that one out of four young U.S. Muslims believe homicide bombings against civilians are OK to 'defend Islam,'.

Yahoo News further reports that the same poll has also uncovered other disturbing findings. It has been discovered that only 40 percent of U.S. Muslims believe that Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks. Another 28 percent don't believe it - and 32 percent said they had no view. Among 28 percent who doubted that Arabs were behind the conspiracy, one-fourth claim the U.S. government or President George Bush was responsible. Only 26 percent of American Muslims believe the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to root out international terrorism. Five percent of those surveyed had a "very favorable" or "somewhat favorable" view of the terrorist group Al-Qaeda. Only 35% of American Muslims stated that the decision for military action in Afghanistan was the right one and 12% supported the use of military force in Iraq. It was also discovered in the same poll that only 28% of American Muslims identify themselves as American first. Others choose to identify themselves as Muslims.

What are you doing here? Scoring off eachother? Showing who can tell the best anti-stories? Oofff, what a kindergarten suddenly!

Yep you are right Trudy. Enough!

hi every one
i did not like to participate in this discussion so there is one remark must be known to everyone, already mentioned to some friends here, what happened in 11 September in America or then in London or so in Iraq now are by people who are Muslims only in name and doing so distorted the principles of Islam is mercy and peace , because Islam rejects the killing of innocent self, which is not in the war whatever the Jewish or Christian,or any religions,so the Islamic religion tolerant is innocent of those killers, even everyone knows that greet of Islam is a peace to you ,I hope this is an end to all discussions on terrorism which accused always the Arabs and Muslims in wrong of course ,so please change your view about Islam

Just European women eh? .... stange considering the percentage of US women with Turkish boyfriends/husbands on this site.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/agora/4229/women.html

Thank God ,debate ended with marriage not fighting

IN CONCLUSION... the UK IS actually going mad! :-S

Are there any Swedish members here? I'd like to see what they think of this:

Sweden Learns that Appeasement Doesn't Pay.

I don't get their point