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Is the UK going mad?
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18 Sep 2007 Tue 11:06 pm |
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Quoting Laila01: Quoting femme_fatal: what is your advice then? stop watching? any alternative?
virus and bacteria are the small not essential information pieces, if the newslady would inform about the dangerous epidemia caused by TB bacteria/virus, i would pay attention to the word "dangerous" not the "virus", in this case "virus" is not essential. 
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No, that is not my advice but here is a saying you may have heard of femme "don't believe everything you hear/read" (even if it is the news  |
oh, thank you, laila, from now on i will be a lot careful and wiser for one more advise
i didnt know that i shouldnt take everything from tv for true
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18 Sep 2007 Tue 11:08 pm |
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Quoting Laila01: Quoting Deli_kizin: However, the West (countries such as Holland and Britain) do have a small habit of wanting to make everyone feel home in their country and showing how perfectly tolerant and open-minded they are. But this comes with consequences. |
I'm not saying it is now but on a study I was reading about in a book rather a few years ago. Britain had one of the highest rates of racism in the world. So I don't see how that is making it feel like "home" to foreigners.
Again I will say this study was some years ago so it may have changed now. |
you possibly never been to uk
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18 Sep 2007 Tue 11:09 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ_Fc6jmIUI
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I only saw the first part of that video because it's easy to guess what kind of stuff is following. Now it may be an actual clip but those people are crazy, they are not following the teachings of islam. Most or probably all muslims are against the state of Israel but that doesn't mean the common muslim would react like that. I hope all of you know that.
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18 Sep 2007 Tue 11:29 pm |
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Quoting Laila01: Quoting Deli_kizin: However, the West (countries such as Holland and Britain) do have a small habit of wanting to make everyone feel home in their country and showing how perfectly tolerant and open-minded they are. But this comes with consequences. |
I'm not saying it is now but on a study I was reading about in a book rather a few years ago. Britain had one of the highest rates of racism in the world. So I don't see how that is making it feel like "home" to foreigners.
Again I will say this study was some years ago so it may have changed now. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn-KsSX_0us
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18 Sep 2007 Tue 11:34 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting Laila01: Quoting Deli_kizin: However, the West (countries such as Holland and Britain) do have a small habit of wanting to make everyone feel home in their country and showing how perfectly tolerant and open-minded they are. But this comes with consequences. |
I'm not saying it is now but on a study I was reading about in a book rather a few years ago. Britain had one of the highest rates of racism in the world. So I don't see how that is making it feel like "home" to foreigners.
Again I will say this study was some years ago so it may have changed now. |
you possibly never been to uk |
Laila, this is true. But what the people do and the government says on tv are two different things. It is very well possible that government only thinks of taking such measurements, because their people have turned into racists. However, this will turn into an infinite spiral, because the more rights the 'foreign ethnicities' will get, the more the anger among the natives will grow, the more the foreigners again feel as outsiders, the more the government will try to make them not feel that way.. etc etc.
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18 Sep 2007 Tue 11:38 pm |
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Quoting azade: Quoting femme_fatal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ_Fc6jmIUI
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I only saw the first part of that video because it's easy to guess what kind of stuff is following. Now it may be an actual clip but those people are crazy, they are not following the teachings of islam. Most or probably all muslims are against the state of Israel but that doesn't mean the common muslim would react like that. I hope all of you know that. |
Unfortunately, Azade, this is all many American see. Not all Americans are fortunate enough to travel and meet everyday Muslims and see that we they are not that different.
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18 Sep 2007 Tue 11:48 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Unfortunately, Azade, this is all many American see. Not all Americans are fortunate enough to travel and meet everyday Muslims and see that we they are not that different. |
I don't know anybody who is against Islam, but I know many people who are against Islamic terrorism/fundamentalism/radicalism. This is what we are really talking about. If somebody is a Muslim who condemns violence of other Muslims, then that person will be more glorified by Americans then anybody else, unfortunately, there are very few such voices from Muslims. People lump all Muslims, because nobody sees any Muslim speak up against Islamic fundamentalism. Silence means at the least complience. Muslims don't do anything to not be lumped in the same bag (at least not that I'm aware of and certainly, they're not producing results).
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18 Sep 2007 Tue 11:53 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Elisabeth: Unfortunately, Azade, this is all many American see. Not all Americans are fortunate enough to travel and meet everyday Muslims and see that we they are not that different. |
I don't know anybody who is against Islam, but I know many people who are against Islamic terrorism/fundamentalism/radicalism. This is what we are really talking about. If somebody is a Muslim who condemns violence of other Muslims, then that person will be more glorified by Americans then anybody else, unfortunately, there are very few such voices from Muslims. People lump all Muslims, because nobody sees any Muslim speak up against Islamic fundamentalism. Silence means at the least complience. Muslims don't do anything to not be lumped in the same bag (at least not that I'm aware of and certainly, they're not producing results). |
I have thought that myself...Where is the muslim voice of reason? We are all waiting.
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19 Sep 2007 Wed 01:26 am |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting catwoman: Quoting Elisabeth: Unfortunately, Azade, this is all many American see. Not all Americans are fortunate enough to travel and meet everyday Muslims and see that we they are not that different. |
I don't know anybody who is against Islam, but I know many people who are against Islamic terrorism/fundamentalism/radicalism. This is what we are really talking about. If somebody is a Muslim who condemns violence of other Muslims, then that person will be more glorified by Americans then anybody else, unfortunately, there are very few such voices from Muslims. People lump all Muslims, because nobody sees any Muslim speak up against Islamic fundamentalism. Silence means at the least complience. Muslims don't do anything to not be lumped in the same bag (at least not that I'm aware of and certainly, they're not producing results). |
I have thought that myself...Where is the muslim voice of reason? We are all waiting. |
Well, here's a start...
http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm
Al-Azhar condemns suicide attacks
Grand Sheikh Mohammed Sayed Tantawi of the Al-Azhar mosque of Cairo - which is seen as the highest authority in Sunni Islam - said groups which carried out suicide bombings were the enemies of Islam. Speaking at the conference in the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur, Sheikh Tantawi said extremist Islamic groups had appropriated Islam and its notion of jihad, or holy struggle, for their own ends.
BBC News, 11 July, 2003
Memo to Osama bin Laden:
"I would rather live in America under Ashcroft and Bush at their worst, than in any “Islamic state†established by ignorant, intolerant and murderous punks like you and Mullah Omar at their best."
A thought-provoking, controversial, pre-war article by Muqtedar Khan, Ph.D., February 12, 2003
Qaradawi Rejects Al-Qaeda’s Killing of Innocents
Prominent Muslim scholar Dr. Youssef Al-Qaradawi has condemned Al-Qaeda for their fuel tanker suicide bombing of a centuries-old Jewish synagogue on the Tunisian island of Djerba in April 2002.
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19 Sep 2007 Wed 03:20 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Elisabeth: Unfortunately, Azade, this is all many American see. Not all Americans are fortunate enough to travel and meet everyday Muslims and see that we they are not that different. |
I don't know anybody who is against Islam, but I know many people who are against Islamic terrorism/fundamentalism/radicalism. This is what we are really talking about. If somebody is a Muslim who condemns violence of other Muslims, then that person will be more glorified by Americans then anybody else, unfortunately, there are very few such voices from Muslims. People lump all Muslims, because nobody sees any Muslim speak up against Islamic fundamentalism. Silence means at the least complience. Muslims don't do anything to not be lumped in the same bag (at least not that I'm aware of and certainly, they're not producing results). |
I totally agree with this and another observation I have regarding Muslims here in the U.S. You almost never see them interacting with other cultures, usually they gather amongst themselves. My bestfriends neighbor would rarely have a conversation or a simple hello to her. If they want to be viewed and accepted here, I would suggest they learn to socialize with other cultures and religions and most importantly let's here a voice from them condeming Islamic terrorism. If you want to have an influence on the perception people have, you need to speak up to change it.
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19 Sep 2007 Wed 03:39 pm |
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No, but Turkish Class is...
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