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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:13 pm |
heck, yesterday i was writing a reply post to vino, between cooking and washing, but when it was time to submit the message the site was unavailable. all my 2h writing was wasted
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:18 pm |
Quoting vineyards: What is your understanding of society femme? Do you consider society as a setting exclusively designed for people living up to certain norms? Society contains all sorts of people and it is not very fair to everyone to begin with.
There are crime and corruption in society because people that make up society are that way. If you cannot remove sources of crime and prevent people from becoming the victims of society, you cannot simply compensate for this by penalizing those who have nothing left to lose. |
i put high morales above the feelings.
so there will be NO to crime, NO to corruption, NO to prostitution etc etc.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:24 pm |
Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting vineyards: What is your understanding of society femme? Do you consider society as a setting exclusively designed for people living up to certain norms? Society contains all sorts of people and it is not very fair to everyone to begin with.
There are crime and corruption in society because people that make up society are that way. If you cannot remove sources of crime and prevent people from becoming the victims of society, you cannot simply compensate for this by penalizing those who have nothing left to lose. |
i put high morales above the feelings.
so there will be NO to crime, NO to corruption, NO to prostitution etc etc. |
As much as I agree with Femme, Vineyards presents what the reality is about people and he's also right.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:30 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting vineyards: What is your understanding of society femme? Do you consider society as a setting exclusively designed for people living up to certain norms? Society contains all sorts of people and it is not very fair to everyone to begin with.
There are crime and corruption in society because people that make up society are that way. If you cannot remove sources of crime and prevent people from becoming the victims of society, you cannot simply compensate for this by penalizing those who have nothing left to lose. |
i put high morales above the feelings.
so there will be NO to crime, NO to corruption, NO to prostitution etc etc. |
As much as I agree with Femme, Vineyards presents what the reality is about people and he's also right.  |
i know the reality, but you cant solve the problem letting it have legal. you should be aware what consequences will come.
you sure know that prostitution can also smuggle the pedophilia. then there you will have pedopihlians tomorrow comeing up for their rights.
you make a step, but sure they will ask you for further steps.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:37 pm |
Quoting femme_fatal: i know the reality, but you cant solve the problem letting it have legal. you should be aware what consequences will come.
you sure know that prostitution can also smuggle the pedophilia. then there you will have pedopihlians tomorrow comeing up for their rights.
you make a step, but sure they will ask you for further steps. |
It is a very complicated, tough issue.. no doubt. Things like pedophilia should be SEVERELY punished in any shape and form, at any time, and no matter what!
However when it comes to prostitution, it's better to have it in healthy, regulated conditions then in the black market (at least in some countries). It's better for the women above all!
As for prostitution being immoral - I think it's degrading for women, but if the woman has healthy "rules" under which she does it and both people do it consensually, then you can't impose your morality on them. Of course if the guy cheats on his gf/wife, I'd kill him gladly!
By healthy "rules" I mean - no violence, no acts the woman doesn't want herself, no coercion, her partners having to be checked for STDs, all the money is hers.... and such.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:50 pm |
POPE visiting Turkia, met and hailed by reporters at the airport.
Reporter : What do you think of brothels in Istanbul?
POPE (shocked) : Are there brothels in Istanbul?
Next day's headlines in most papers : First question POPE asked upon arrival is whether or not there are any brothels in Istanbul .................
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:52 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: i know the reality, but you cant solve the problem letting it have legal. you should be aware what consequences will come.
you sure know that prostitution can also smuggle the pedophilia. then there you will have pedopihlians tomorrow comeing up for their rights.
you make a step, but sure they will ask you for further steps. |
It is a very complicated, tough issue.. no doubt. Things like pedophilia should be SEVERELY punished in any shape and form, at any time, and no matter what!
However when it comes to prostitution, it's better to have it in healthy, regulated conditions then in the black market (at least in some countries). It's better for the women above all!
As for prostitution being immoral - I think it's degrading for women, but if the woman has healthy "rules" under which she does it and both people do it consensually, then you can't impose your morality on them. Of course if the guy cheats on his gf/wife, I'd kill him gladly!
By healthy "rules" I mean - no violence, no acts the woman doesn't want herself, no coercion, her partners having to be checked for STDs, all the money is hers.... and such. |
I don't see how any prostitution can be healthy, it's just plain sick.....
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:53 pm |
Quoting teaschip1: I don't see how any prostitution can be healthy, it's just plain sick..... |
I didn't say prostitution is healthy!
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:59 pm |
Quote: As for prostitution being immoral - I think it's degrading for women, but if the woman has healthy "rules" under which she does it and both people do it consensually, then you can't impose your morality on them. Of course if the guy cheats on his gf/wife, I'd kill him gladly!
By healthy "rules" I mean - no violence, no acts the woman doesn't want herself, no coercion, her partners having to be checked for STDs, all the money is hers.... and such. |
Please then explain if I misunderstood something here..
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:02 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: i know the reality, but you cant solve the problem letting it have legal. you should be aware what consequences will come.
you sure know that prostitution can also smuggle the pedophilia. then there you will have pedopihlians tomorrow comeing up for their rights.
you make a step, but sure they will ask you for further steps. |
It is a very complicated, tough issue.. no doubt. Things like pedophilia should be SEVERELY punished in any shape and form, at any time, and no matter what!
However when it comes to prostitution, it's better to have it in healthy, regulated conditions then in the black market (at least in some countries). It's better for the women above all!
As for prostitution being immoral - I think it's degrading for women, but if the woman has healthy "rules" under which she does it and both people do it consensually, then you can't impose your morality on them. Of course if the guy cheats on his gf/wife, I'd kill him gladly!
By healthy "rules" I mean - no violence, no acts the woman doesn't want herself, no coercion, her partners having to be checked for STDs, all the money is hers.... and such. |
no, catwoman, we cant let the prostituion be legal and in any so called healthy forms.
it is a humilliation of a woman. where do you think porno comes?
its no way right, to accept it normal, or then goodbye healthy society.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:23 pm |
Quoting femme_fatal: no, catwoman, we cant let the prostituion be legal and in any so called healthy forms.
it is a humilliation of a woman. where do you think porno come?
its no way right, to accept it normal, or then goodbye healthy society. |
I would LOVE to abolish prostitution and make all porn disappear. I would be the first one to support that because I think that it hurts women incredibly.
You want a healthy society, but how? The only way is by allowing people to be free to do what they want to do (as long as it doesn't hurt anybody) and in that situation there will always be people who are willing to do anything for money. As much as I can't possibly grasp why anybody would ever do this kind of stuff...
It is impossible to eliminate evil from the world is what I'm saying. Prostitution is very bad, but by making it illegal, you're not making it disappear, but you're pushing it into the black market where women are treated million times worse.
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