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Religious pressure forces students out
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 12:11 am |
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 01:01 pm |
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This is a very sad story indeed, but the upside of the story is that FINALLY a situation has arisen where the students, and moreover female students, stood up for themselves and questionned what the teacher was doing.
I feel there is a lot of fear put into students in this senstive area and often students cannot defend their own beliefs or question that of others, which afterall, is the reason why we go to school, to learn, to question, to challenge, to develop our thinking and rationale.
I am very pleased that these four girls stood up for themselves and that their parents have supported them - bravo to them and their families. If more children were able to do so, they could find the bad apples in the basket !
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 01:15 pm |
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im against the lectures of religion at schools.
a religion is your own private business. practice it at home: with your family, in your religious places, with your friends.
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 01:38 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: im against the lectures of religion at schools.
a religion is your own private business. practice it at home: with your family, in your religious places, with your friends. |
IMHO - In thought I agree with you Femme but unfortauntely it is not the ideal practice. There should be religious education available to everyone if they wish to receive it, at least this could control heads of fanatical places of worship from brainwashing children. A school is a place of education, and religion of all kinds is a major part of this world hence we should receive education about it. But that DOES NOT mean we must become followers of the religion being taught, rather we just become more aware of what is out there and people can then make a private choice of whether or not to follow. If we left it all to the hocas or vicars or rabbis or hari krishnas of this world, we might find more fanaticism. Ideally there must be strict control over R.E. in schools so that fanatics like the man described in Turkish Daily News are strictly forbidden to teach religion.
I hope this makes some sort of sense 
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 02:20 pm |
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Quoting Cacık:
IMHO - In thought I agree with you Femme but unfortauntely it is not the ideal practice. There should be religious education available to everyone if they wish to receive it, at least this could control heads of fanatical places of worship from brainwashing children. A school is a place of education, and religion of all kinds is a major part of this world hence we should receive education about it. But that DOES NOT mean we must become followers of the religion being taught, rather we just become more aware of what is out there and people can then make a private choice of whether or not to follow. If we left it all to the hocas or vicars or rabbis or hari krishnas of this world, we might find more fanaticism. Ideally there must be strict control over R.E. in schools so that fanatics like the man described in Turkish Daily News are strictly forbidden to teach religion.
I hope this makes some sort of sense |
it makes sense. ideally it could be so, but in practice it brings sad results.
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 04:59 pm |
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If religious education is given, it should be about the most important religions in the world, not only about one specific. Strict control on teachers is necessary and they should be objective about the teachings they preach.
Religious education should be given from a broad perspective, showing how religions emerged, expanded, what their idealistics are and how we can see the religions in our daily life.
As FF says, practice usually shows differnt. Only one religion is the focus, and other religions even get 'biased' in these 'sessions'.
Religious education is a sensitive subjet, but these days it seems an important one..
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 05:05 pm |
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would be better a common ''friendship,tolerance,peace''education on all over world with the same content instead of religion lessonseven 2 hours forced everydayi think new generation need that more then ever
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 05:12 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: If religious education is given, it should be about the most important religions in the world, not only about one specific. Strict control on teachers is necessary and they should be objective about the teachings they preach.
Religious education should be given from a broad perspective, showing how religions emerged, expanded, what their idealistics are and how we can see the religions in our daily life.
As FF says, practice usually shows differnt. Only one religion is the focus, and other religions even get 'biased' in these 'sessions'.
Religious education is a sensitive subjet, but these days it seems an important one.. |
they speak of a proposal of a subject which would be called "introduction into religions", so i think it would fit your idea. of course, students should have an idea of religions, but no one should put pressure on anyone not giving a freedom of choice. anyway a faith is a personal choice not an atribute of your nation.
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 06:50 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: If religious education is given, it should be about the most important religions in the world, not only about one specific. Strict control on teachers is necessary and they should be objective about the teachings they preach.
Religious education should be given from a broad perspective, showing how religions emerged, expanded, what their idealistics are and how we can see the religions in our daily life.
As FF says, practice usually shows differnt. Only one religion is the focus, and other religions even get 'biased' in these 'sessions'.
Religious education is a sensitive subjet, but these days it seems an important one.. |
This is precisely my point, religion should be taught because it is so important in this world to billions of people, but the methodolgy of teaching and the person who teaches it must be controlled heavily. You (not you Deli - plural you I mean) can't erase religion from a national curriculum in any country but you can promote a general religious education as what you and Femme say - like an intro to religion where each religion and its views are taught but with no emphasis WHATSOEVER on which one is the so-called right one !!!
Perhaps we should become the next ministers of education here !!!! what'da reckon ???
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 06:58 pm |
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Religious education should be offered by families first, then by the elders of that religioun... never by the State.
State should always be at equal distance from every existing religion and their possible sects...and control that no community preaches against the unity and common interests of the nation.
Atheists should also have a fair chance..
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 07:45 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Religious education should be offered by families first, then by the elders of that religioun... never by the State.
State should always be at equal distance from every existing religion and their possible sects...and control that no community preaches against the unity and common interests of the nation.
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how do you imagine of that control?
Quoting AlphaF:
Atheists should also have a fair chance.. |
+10000 
but atheists should also have a sort introduction.
children are not born atheists/muslims/christians, they are mainly raised/brainwashed in their environment.
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 08:00 pm |
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Maturing by the minute.....My god !
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 08:02 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AlphaF: Religious education should be offered by families first, then by the elders of that religioun... never by the State.
State should always be at equal distance from every existing religion and their possible sects...and control that no community preaches against the unity and common interests of the nation.
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how do you imagine of that control?
THAT IS A MINUTE DETAIL, if you agree on the principle... |
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 08:17 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF:
THAT IS A MINUTE DETAIL, if you agree on the principle... |
could you give a wider vision?
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 08:22 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Atheists should also have a fair chance.. |
I agree. By improving the accuracy of information about ALL religions, I believe the number of athiests would rise.... 
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 08:52 pm |
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I think religious education in schools is a good idea, so long as it's actual education about all different religions. With only the purpose of education. I think its a major thing in the world, and whether it be just for social knowledge, political reasons or knowldge of different cultures, having knowledge of religions is needed. However, it should be religious education...not religious persuasion. When it comes to teachers abusing their position to try to persuade people to be more religious or anything where they abuse their role, they should be punished. But how did he 'force' them to pray etc?
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 09:04 pm |
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In my opinion every student in the high school should read history of religions
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 09:10 pm |
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Quoting Cacık:
Perhaps we should become the next ministers of education here !!!! what'da reckon ??? |
You all get my vote!
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