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Religion....
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:59 pm |
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Quoting ciko:
of course you can talk but the more you talk the more they tease your religion..i just dont want them to make fun of my religion ..cos it hurts me..thats all. |
well, dear boy, try to learn that there are people with diverse opinions about your religion. you ve got to learn to receive criticisms.
otherwise you are immature just as those who react with anger and murder anyone met in foreign embassies, churches or synagogues
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:01 pm |
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Quoting ciko:
you are not speaking your own thoughts you are speaking on behalf of muslims...it requires some responsibility. i am not sure that you are qualified enough to argue about such things. |
If you have better explanations related to such issues, I would love to hear, or if I am in the wrong with anything I have posted, I would love you to correct me, too.
If it's your point.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:04 pm |
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Quoting ciko:
of course you can talk but the more you talk the more they tease your religion..i just dont want them to make fun of my religion ..cos it hurts me..thats all. |
theres an interesting document about danish cartoons.
how muslims are unable to take criticisms.
btw, theres a moment about a turk who without a wink lies 
enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03OhSgLlETY
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:15 pm |
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i really really wonder didnt you islam proffesors read anything beautiful in qoran i would like to hear something nice about islam from you for only once
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:29 pm |
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Quoting a Turkish hater:
theres an interesting document about danish cartoons.
how muslims are unable to take criticisms.
btw, theres a moment about a turk who without a wink lies
enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03OhSgLlETY |
what makes you feel like putting a comment like that?
are you implying that you should expect lies from a Turk anytime anywhere?
you had said you don't hate Turks. Hadn't you? Why do I find it hard to believe? (Not a question for you, I am just talking to myself)
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:37 pm |
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Quoting kaddersokak:
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Kadder,
You've done it again. You always do that.
Instead of copy-pasting a long article, can you just a give a link?
Or put them into a box like this, so that we wouldn't have to scroll down too much in case we want to skip your thing.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:38 pm |
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Quoting ciko: i just dont want them to make fun of my religion ..cos it hurts me..thats all. |
Ciko, I apologise.
You rarely "bite back" and usually take things in very good humour, so I am sorry if my posts offended you 
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:47 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: ......... But dont you think the Quran is full of contradictions? I have read several sources upon it, (as a study Islamology at university), and read quoted verses there in Quran. At one point, it asks the Muslims to kill all Christians, but somewhere it writes that .........
I am really trying to get an idea of what Islam is. But the more I learn, the more disappointed I get. And it is not because I am anti-religious, I am actually really spiritual. But all that I read, doesnt make me think of a Good Power. |
Is it all Christians or all non-Muslims? I mean it's not something against Christians in particular. If you are not a Muslim or anti-Muslim actually, you are a target.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 05:08 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: If your life or life of a member of your family is under threat just because of your faith, you are allowed to hide your faith, or you are allowed to say as opposed to whay you actually believe.
This is called 'takiyye' in Islam. |
That's really interesting. If I remember correctly, in Catholicism, whatever the threat, you are being rewarded for abiding by your faith. Rejecting your faith - even if you're lying to save yourself - is considered a sin. Islam seems quite an opportunistic religion, judging by what you're saying. On the one hand, like extremists blowing up innocent people, you should fight for your faith, even die; on the other, if it's inconvenient, or you might lose your money, feel free to reject Islam, Allah won't hold a grudge against you as you're lying. Lying a virtue? Or, at least something a God can tolerate? Weird...
You know, I'm not God, but if I were, I'd hate my supporters to be free to reject me if only that's convenient for them.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 05:11 pm |
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Oh, by the way, I'm not defending or promoting Catholicism, I'm an atheist so I'm gonna burn in hell anyway...
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 05:54 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting qdemir: If your life or life of a member of your family is under threat just because of your faith, you are allowed to hide your faith, or you are allowed to say as opposed to whay you actually believe.
This is called 'takiyye' in Islam. |
That's really interesting. If I remember correctly, in Catholicism, whatever the threat, you are being rewarded for abiding by your faith. Rejecting your faith - even if you're lying to save yourself - is considered a sin. Islam seems quite an opportunistic religion, judging by what you're saying. On the one hand, like extremists blowing up innocent people, you should fight for your faith, even die; on the other, if it's inconvenient, or you might lose your money, feel free to reject Islam, Allah won't hold a grudge against you as you're lying. Lying a virtue? Or, at least something a God can tolerate? Weird...
You know, I'm not God, but if I were, I'd hate my supporters to be free to reject me if only that's convenient for them. |
You should have quoted the following instance, too:
One of the companions of Hz Mohammed, Ammar and his parents were tortured by non-believers as he became a Muslim. He was forced to denial of his belief by torturing his father and mother heavily. His father and mother died of severe torture. As he was exposed to excruciating torture he said what he was asked for by non-believers. However, it was just a denial in words, but not one from the heart. Hz Mohammed told him if he was exposed to such a torture again he would say in the same way.
Quoting qdemir: If your properties or money are under threat you are allowed to tell lies.
This is also called 'takiyye'
Nobody tells the truth when they are threatened by robbers. It wouldn't be wise just for sake of telling the truth.
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Does it mean you can reject Islam to save your money!?
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