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Religion....
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 08:26 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting qdemir: Just quote verses, if there are any, to substantiate the claim you have put forward. |
I did 
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The original verses of Sura 9:30 is as below:
'9.30': And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
To understand the above verse we need to read the verse immediately following the verse '9:30', which clarifies it.
The verse '9:30' is about such Christians and Jews defined in the following verse '9:31'.
It doesn't include all Christians or Jews as not all Christians or Jews believe in the same way as defined in the following verse. We are talking about believers of each religion praying the same God, otherwise we can't talk about the same God.
'9.31': They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one God only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).
Some day, a non-believer claims that people are ordered to stay away from praying God (five times a day), and he substantiates his claim with a verse in the Koran.
What he says is actually true, and is stated in the Koran just as he said. However, that verse also says something in the following, which is: (women) (stay away from praying ) when you are on your menstruation periods
In Islam women don't pray during the periods of their menstruation.
There is no need to talk about the other verses that AEnigma stated.
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 08:29 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: In Islam women don't pray during the periods of their menstruation. |
They don't pray because male chauvinist pigs convinced them (under the threat of death) that it's "dirty".
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 08:50 pm |
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Dear Qdemir,
Thank you for your clarification. It seems that it is yet another "translation problem". The same "translation problem" that causes thousands of extremists to behave in the way they do.
May I suggest someone make a CORRECT translation one day? I wonder though....why do arabic countries misunderstand it too? 
Yours sincerely,
AEnigma
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:00 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Dear Qdemir,
Thank you for your clarification. It seems that it is yet another "translation problem". The same "translation problem" that causes thousands of extremists to behave in the way they do.
May I suggest someone make a CORRECT translation one day? I wonder though....why do arabic countries misunderstand it too?
Yours sincerely,
AEnigma |
We could get rid of such misunderstanding (for both sides) through mutual dialogue.
Yours sincerely
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:02 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: We could get rid of such misunderstanding (for both sides) through mutual dialogue. |
Unfortunately our only education and dialogue comes from the hatred banners and the wild screams of our British muslim population, quoting those parts of the Quran that I posted, which you tell me are incorrect!
Have you ever witnessed "mutual dialogue" with these people?
Yours faithfully 
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:12 pm |
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quoting AEnigma
Unfortunately our only education and dialogue comes from the hatred banners and the wild screams of our British muslim population,
end of quote.
You are so predictable and that statement above is inflammatory, as if you didn't know. You mentioned thread locking earlier, perhaps now is the time.
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:13 pm |
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Quoting peace train: You are so predictable. |
And so are you dear 
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:21 pm |
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Quoting peace train: You are so predictable and that statement above is inflammatory, as if you didn't know. You mentioned thread locking earlier, perhaps now is the time. |
It is no secret peace train - there is nothing inflammatory about those words - it is fact
(Wow you really change your posts after the initial posting !  )
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:28 pm |
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Quoting peace train: quoting AEnigma
Unfortunately our only education and dialogue comes from the hatred banners and the wild screams of our British muslim population,
end of quote.
You are so predictable and that statement above is inflammatory, as if you didn't know. You mentioned thread locking earlier, perhaps now is the time. |
peace train
there must be somethnig you are afraid of since you wish the thread was locked. how hypocritic!
isnt it aenigma unveiling something here? she seems to know more on islam than you or qdemir?
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:28 pm |
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It makes me laugh how Brits are so "politically correct" and always attack anyone who complains. Yet they remain silent when people come to live in our country and fail to integrate at all into our society or learn the language, and do nothing but talk about the "evil west" and promote extremist and fundamentalist views and actions.
You are their biggest allies!
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:42 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: You are so predictable and that statement above is inflammatory, as if you didn't know. You mentioned thread locking earlier, perhaps now is the time. |
It is no secret peace train - there is nothing inflammatory about those words - it is fact
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I know you like to quote fact.
Your statement:
"Unfortunately our only education and dialogue comes from the hatred banners and the wild screams of our British muslim population,"
This implies all Muslims do what you state. You say it is "our only education and dialogue", "our"? I live in the same country as you and I don't wish you to speak for me.
There are alternative sources of education about Islam too, if you look and I am sure an intelligent person like yourself does read.
I remember you once said you had Muslim friends, surely they don't wave hatred banners and scream wildly do they? You said that was your only education.
Although there are some unsavoury elements at work here, your statement was at worst worded deliberately to sensationalise and at best, badly worded.
Here endeth my last lesson for today.
Nice to know you're watching my every movement. I didn't know you cared.
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