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The Night of Horror for the Tourist Girls in Taksim Square
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:16 pm |
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Yesterday night on the eve of new year AS USUAL tourist girls (who were there with their boy friends) celebrating the coming of the new year have been assaulted verbally and physically by a group of 50 Turkish young people in Taksim Square. Even policemen could not save them. They had to take refuge in a pharmacy.
Here is the photos from a Turkish newspaper:
http://www.stargazete.com/index.asp?haberID=136240
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:20 pm |
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Turkish warmth and hospitality? 
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:25 pm |
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No where in the article does it say the offending group was of Turkish ethnic origin.
Peanuts? Very likely...
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:27 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: No where in the article does it say the offending group was Turkish.
Peanuts? Very likely... |
oh yes your enemies come to Istanbul to assault tourist girls
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:28 pm |
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Quoting zbrct: Yesterday night on the eve of new year AS USUAL tourist girls (who were there with their boy friends) celebrating the coming of the new year have been assaulted verbally and physically by a group of 50 Turkish young people in Taksim Square. Even policemen could not save them. They had to take refuge in a pharmacy.
Here is the photos from a Turkish newspaper:
http://www.stargazete.com/index.asp?haberID=136240 |
These people are not human beings. Even animals have a primitive mode of civilization but they do not...
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:29 pm |
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Notice there were no similar incidents elsewhere in Istanbul..
People had been warned against creepy crawlies in advance..
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:30 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Turkish warmth and hospitality? |
What is your problem exactly,if you don't like Turkey or Turkish people what exactly are you here for! All you do is try to argue against things and be negative.Just seems kind of pointless thats all.
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:32 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting AEnigma III: Turkish warmth and hospitality? |
What is your problem exactly,if you don't like Turkey or Turkish people what exactly are you here for! All you do is try to argue against things and be negative.Just seems kind of pointless thats all. |
Sorry, but if you were one of the girls in the photo, you would not talk like that.
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:34 pm |
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Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting AEnigma III: Turkish warmth and hospitality? |
What is your problem exactly,if you don't like Turkey or Turkish people what exactly are you here for! All you do is try to argue against things and be negative.Just seems kind of pointless thats all. |
Sorry, but if you were one of the girls in the photo, you would not talk like that. |
I am not promoting the incident in the slightest i am simply raising a separate issue with Aenigma which excuse me for saying say so doesnt really concern you.
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:35 pm |
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I wonder if it was a PKK Pharmacy that the offended party took refuge in....
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:38 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I wonder if it was a PKK Pharmacy that the offended party took refuge in.... |
Good for you, Instead of blaming assaulters, you are blaming those who saved the girls and their boy friends
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:42 pm |
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You havent even got the peanut !
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 10:49 pm |
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Quoting kedycano: fuck you alpha! enough with that!
people are fed up with shit like you!
I am sure they were all alphas last night!
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I think you should read the forum rules. We do not swear here, we discuss here. If you do not anything to say, please just be quiet.
PS: Alpha, this is for you too because you use the same language.
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 11:06 pm |
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Tell me zbrct,
How can you find trying to defame a whole nation over what some idiots (even if they are of Turkish ethnic origin) have done under the cover of darkness honest, fair and innocent - while calling likes of you "peanut brains" becomes swearing?
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 11:10 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Tell me zbrct,
How can you find trying to defame a whole nation over what some idiots (even if they are of Turkish ethnic origin) have done under the cover of darkness honest, fair and innocent - while calling likes of you "peanut brains" becomes swearing? |
no body is blaming the whole nation. This happens every year. he was just trying to let people know and beware of that. Because when that happens to you, the whole time in Turkey might be a nightmare for you.
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 11:45 pm |
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Gateway,
If, after having read the last few posts here, you still think there is no one here trying to defame any nation, you too should get a peanut check for your brain...No offense !
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 12:42 am |
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www.unitedmedia.com/comics/peanuts/
http://www.snoopy.com/comics/peanuts/archive/index.html
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 12:43 am |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting AEnigma III: Turkish warmth and hospitality? |
What is your problem exactly,if you don't like Turkey or Turkish people what exactly are you here for! All you do is try to argue against things and be negative.Just seems kind of pointless thats all. |
Sorry, but if you were one of the girls in the photo, you would not talk like that. |
I am not promoting the incident in the slightest i am simply raising a separate issue with Aenigma which excuse me for saying say so doesnt really concern you. |
Sera stop being so deeply offended when anything negative is said about your boyfriend's country but not at all offended when it is about your own country! I have many Turkish friends. We are just arguing light-heartedly - how come Turks understand it but you dont?
You say to Kaddersokak that your comment does not concern him/her. Why does MY comment concern YOU  
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 12:51 am |
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Thank you peace train ... I love Charlie Brown and his crowd...
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 12:56 am |
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Here is a translation of the reader comments from the page in the link:
Bastards!-
These foreign people came to our country, whereas we are supposed to respect them and do our best to avoid irritating them in any way; there are certain hungry dogs amongs us; these boisterous bastards they take advantage of such a (special) night and attack them. Those foreigners have every right to blame us. Unless we get rid of those bastards among us, such incidents will continue. I am confident law enforcers will give the right punishment to the perpetrators. (01.01.2008 19:52:00 Cemil)
Urban bandits or bandits on mountains, where is the difference? It would be more proper to call this high treason.(01.01.2008 19:36:00 Use-polis)
Voila!
Whereas we Turks would once be proud of our humanistic values, we have begun competing with animals (in brutality). Congratulations on what you did! (01.01.2008 18:19:00 uğur)
Shame on you!
I am a Turk living in Germany. Such a thing would never occur in Germany. Germans point out to the same fact when speaking to us. This surely doesn't do justice to our image as Turks.
Disgusting!
... I would like to personally apoligize to those guests of ours . Those are certainly a pack of riff raff. That is not something to be expected of a decent Turkish citizen.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 01:00 am |
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Though a bit on the rough side, this is the correct attidude for a nation who prides on hospitality of her citizens. (first message)
I do not consider other peanuts as a part of our citizenry, whatever their ethnic origin may be.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 01:09 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: I do not consider other peanuts as a part of our citizenry, whatever their ethnic origin may be. |
So the peanut citizenry has a closed door policy? 
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 01:16 am |
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What is your problem?
Nobody took you out last night?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:28 am |
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Foreign tourists celebrating in İstanbul’s Taksim Square were harassed by a group of intoxicated young men. The incident was discovered by İstanbul Police Chief Cerrah, who saw a pharmacy and sent a team to check on it, wondering why it was still open at that late hour. Two foreign women were hiding inside the pharmacy to avoid harassment on the street. The police dispersed the group of sexual harassers gathered in front of the drug store.
Another group of female tourists had to hide inside a Taksim hotel, again from aggressive young males sexually harassing them.
02.01.2008
İstanbul Today’s Zaman
for the photos:
http://www.stargazete.com/index.asp?haberID=136240
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:51 am |
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I realise this is rather off-topic, but I wonder why the two men in photos 3 and 4 are wearing the same jacket!!!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 03:10 am |
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well if there was that amoung of man doing this to these girls! but there were more media workers i think...
so if they think this humanistic... instead of trying to take photos... why they dont put a hand and help those people...
hypocratic idiots!!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 07:02 am |
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I meant to say this, but you were faster, both..
Quoting SuiGeneris: well if there was that amoung of man doing this to these girls! but there were more media workers i think...
so if they think this humanistic... instead of trying to take photos... why they dont put a hand and help those people...
hypocratic idiots!! |
Quoting AEnigma III: I realise this is rather off-topic, but I wonder why the two men in photos 3 and 4 are wearing the same jacket!!! |
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 07:44 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I realise this is rather off-topic, but I wonder why the two men in photos 3 and 4 are wearing the same jacket!!! |
OMG! Don't you keep up on fashion? It’s the latest-hippest-stylish-ugly-brown-velour-pin-stripe-ill-fitting-jacket-worn-by-weak-western-men-who-can't-protect-their-women-from-evil-turks!!!!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:54 am |
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Don't you think that this has more to do with how the tourists behave towards the Turks? I can imagine that they'd drunk way too much and were maybe 'asking for it'??
I'm not trying to defend anyone, but I just wonder, coz these things happen in Amsterdam as well on new year's eve, and it's usually because of alcohol and not because people beat others just for 'fun'.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:55 am |
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Dont even say evil turks again who the hell are ya? look your own people bfre talk about turks..
wht the hell thse guys doing at there at the midnight? for new year? drunk like hell? everything is so normal...they dont know even wht they doin coz they drunk ...i learn tht after 11pm nothin to do at outside...if you think this is freedom...so the result is so normal..
not only in turkey all around the country many things is happen like that when new year...some turks also being stupid why coz we follow western style like other eu countries...so we saw what happen...no real turks can do like that its shame for us...but for eu people also..
thts why if islam urlife style nothin ll happen like that..new year wht the hell is that? same like other days..but wht people did drunk lost their mind so the day bcme like dooms day.. im pure turkish 100% and im so proud with myslf and with mycountry...at least better then eu 10 times with mypeople.. even i saw the things happen in taksim..
simply dont go wont happen...u go and u take the risk u cnt blame any people in turkey coz of this..
if turks evil get the hell out from this website and never come back again,..
Rain...
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:01 am |
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Quoting Leann:
Dont even say evil turks again who the hell are ya? look your own people bfre talk about turks..
wht the hell thse guys doing at there at the midnight? for new year? drunk like hell? everything is so normal...they dont know even wht they doin coz they drunk ...i learn tht after 11pm nothin to do at outside...if you think this is freedom...so the result is so normal..
not only in turkey all around the country many things is happen like that when new year...some turks also being stupid why coz we follow western style like other eu countries...so we saw what happen...no real turks can do like that its shame for us...but for eu people also..
thts why if islam urlife style nothin ll happen like that..new year wht the hell is that? same like other days..but wht people did drunk lost their mind so the day bcme like dooms day.. im pure turkish 100% and im so proud with myslf and with mycountry...at least better then eu 10 times with mypeople.. even i saw the things happen in taksim..
simply dont go wont happen...u go and u take the risk u cnt blame any people in turkey coz of this..
if turks evil get the hell out from this website and never come back again,..
Rain...
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It's called a joke. Lighten up!!!!!!
No one said that this only happens in Turkey! But you think it is ok to assualt people because you think they put themselves at risk by being out at midnight on New Years? You blame the people that are assaulted?
That says a lot about you.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:08 am |
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now its joke? could u pls tell me whts the point of drunk ? u lost urmind and do all the shit things so its so normal wht happen to u... everywhere same not only istanbul / taksim..
i never go out in new year im not tht high class like you can clbrte new year... u got urfreedom in eu..
EU freedom countries...but no thnx i dont want this kind of freedom... do all the shit things and call freedom.. this is wht eu people keep sayin..
by the way...i never ever see any american people that clever they only know how to talk and argue... like here.. check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhiAOU29Org
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:10 am |
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Quoting Leann:
im pure turkish 100% and im so proud with myslf and with mycountry
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I wasn't aware that someone could change their ethnicity. You must share your secret. I'm sure there are a lot of "wanna-be's" that would love to know how you did it!!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:11 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: well if there was that amoung of man doing this to these girls! but there were more media workers i think...
so if they think this humanistic... instead of trying to take photos... why they dont put a hand and help those people...
hypocratic idiots!! |
+100000 - but there might not have been a such a good story then might there?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:14 am |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting Leann:
im pure turkish 100% and im so proud with myslf and with mycountry
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I wasn't aware that someone could change their ethnicity. You must share your secret. I'm sure there are a lot of "wanna-be's" that would love to know how you did it!!
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im rain... if u remmber me well... RAIN..
so when i see tht u write down this kind of things i online from diffrnt account
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:16 am |
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Quoting Leann: now its joke? could u pls tell me whts the point of drunk ? u lost urmind and do all the shit things so its so normal wht happen to u... everywhere same not only istanbul / taksim..
i never go out in new year im not tht high class like you can clbrte new year... u got urfreedom in eu..
EU freedom countries...but no thnx i dont want this kind of freedom... do all the shit things and call freedom.. this is wht eu people keep sayin..
by the way...i never ever see any american people that clever they only know how to talk and argue... like here.. check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhiAOU29Org
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Take it however you want sweet pea.....I don't care if you thought it was a joke or not. If you are happy not having the "shit things" like freedom....kudos to you.
And for the record.... the EU and America are two different entities.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:18 am |
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Quoting Leann:
im rain... if u remmber me well... RAIN..
so when i see tht u write down this kind of things i online from diffrnt account |
Well...welcome back Rain! Why don't you use your own name? Are you trying to confuse people?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:19 am |
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sorry america and eu same nothin diffrnt they also bring democracy to the afganistan irak wietnam lebanon ...pakistan... they always want nice democry to killin innocent civillian...eu also doin same thing
anywy...u r too old lady fo me to talk pls...go talk urages ..i cnt take it anymore
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:20 am |
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Quoting Leann:
anywy...u r too old lady fo me to talk pls...go talk urages ..i cnt take it anymore
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That's not what you said when I deleted you from MSN!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:20 am |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting Leann:
im rain... if u remmber me well... RAIN..
so when i see tht u write down this kind of things i online from diffrnt account |
Well...welcome back Rain! Why don't you use your own name? Are you trying to confuse people? |
lol finally remmber me lady..u know me..im true btch no long time ago some 1 block my nick so i cnt open it agaion.. so i saw some1 argu ... i jst drop it
i hope u oke
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:22 am |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting Leann:
anywy...u r too old lady fo me to talk pls...go talk urages ..i cnt take it anymore
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That's not what you said when I deleted you from MSN!
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lol u know nothing is prblem for me...u didnt delete...its wht u wan its wht i gave life amazing lady... 2 year alrdy i dont wanna look back..if u wan look its oke i can continue
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:24 am |
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Quoting Leann: Quoting girleegirl: Quoting Leann:
anywy...u r too old lady fo me to talk pls...go talk urages ..i cnt take it anymore
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That's not what you said when I deleted you from MSN!
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lol u know nothing is prblem for me...u didnt delete...its wht u wan its wht i gave life amazing lady... 2 year alrdy i dont wanna look back..if u wan look its oke i can continue |
Oh yes please!!! Let's continue!!!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:26 am |
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and say everything...but never ever say evil turks again...if not i wont be good with you...
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:28 am |
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Quoting Leann: and say everything...but never ever say evil turks again...if not i wont be good with you... |
I will say again...it was a joke. Really...you need to chill.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:31 am |
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look lady... u know nowadays some people really got sick prblem so they can understnd everythin very easy so we should be carreful bfre we talk...if not some misndrstnd ll come out..
anywy i hope u r oke...and in yourlife everythin go well..nice to see ya
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:38 am |
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Quoting Leann: look lady... u know nowadays some people really got sick prblem so they can understnd everythin very easy so we should be carreful bfre we talk...if not some misndrstnd ll come out..
anywy i hope u r oke...and in yourlife everythin go well..nice to see ya |
And maybe some people shouldn't take everything so seriously. It might make things a bit nicer. If you cared to read anything I have posted on this site you would know that I have no ill will towards Turks.
And I am good thank you. Hope you are well also.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:56 am |
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oke nice to deal with ya then..
im fine too..and very very fine mybusiness mymarriage and mylife..
jst im not happy i see something goin wrong with turkey sometimes...u know i love politic
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 11:33 am |
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by one word ''animality'' and i think to see this sort animals possibble on all over world..
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 01:11 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Tell me zbrct,
How can you find trying to defame a whole nation over what some idiots (even if they are of Turkish ethnic origin) have done under the cover of darkness honest, fair and innocent - while calling likes of you "peanut brains" becomes swearing? |
just because it was said that some idiots had assaulted some tourist girls in taksim square, doesn't mean that the informer was defaming turkey in general. so don't get too defensive when facts like this, are brought up to our attention here.
i still have a liking for turkey, in fact i love the culture. you're just being too defensive about nothing at all.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 01:37 pm |
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Quoting justinetime: Quoting AlphaF: Tell me zbrct,
How can you find trying to defame a whole nation over what some idiots (even if they are of Turkish ethnic origin) have done under the cover of darkness honest, fair and innocent - while calling likes of you "peanut brains" becomes swearing? |
just because it was said that some idiots had assaulted some tourist girls in taksim square, doesn't mean that the informer was defaming turkey in general. so don't get too defensive when facts like this, are brought up to our attention here.
i still have a liking for turkey, in fact i love the culture. you're just being too defensive about nothing at all. |
Look ! Read post number 1 in this thread.
If a 6-line newspaper effort to report some girls have been molested by drunkards include the word "Turk" or "Turkish" in it 2 times and some dear friend posts it here with no comments...I get suspicious that they all carry peanuts instead of brains.
So, what is your problem?
In fact comments afterwards, seem to verify my suspicions..
Also notice that a really obsene curse from one of the peanut brains still stands undeleted..Does that not disturb you at all?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 01:39 pm |
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 01:52 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting justinetime: Quoting AlphaF: Tell me zbrct,
How can you find trying to defame a whole nation over what some idiots (even if they are of Turkish ethnic origin) have done under the cover of darkness honest, fair and innocent - while calling likes of you "peanut brains" becomes swearing? |
just because it was said that some idiots had assaulted some tourist girls in taksim square, doesn't mean that the informer was defaming turkey in general. so don't get too defensive when facts like this, are brought up to our attention here.
i still have a liking for turkey, in fact i love the culture. you're just being too defensive about nothing at all. |
Look ! Read post number 1 in this thread.
If a 6-line newspaper effort to report some girls have been molested by drunkards include the word "Turk" or "Turkish" in it 2 times and some dear friend posts it here with no comments...I get suspicious that they all carry peanuts instead of brains.
So, what is your problem? |
and the mere fact of mentioning "turk" or "turkish" being linked with "sexual assault" in taksim square defames turkey as a whole?
i have turkish friends, and they admit that it is a disgusting thing that happens, but they don't think that this "fact of information" defames turkey in general.
just as the way the word "americans" are linked with the "sexual assault" that happens in new york every new year. they admit it happens there too, but they don't get too defensive about it, nor do they think it defames "america" in general. it is a fact, not a good information, but a fact never the less.
so don't get your panties in a twist, and be overly defensive about it.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:00 pm |
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I can understand what you have, to make your Turkish friends happy: It can not have anything to do with your intellect.
Have a ball!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:01 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting justinetime: Quoting AlphaF: Tell me zbrct,
How can you find trying to defame a whole nation over what some idiots (even if they are of Turkish ethnic origin) have done under the cover of darkness honest, fair and innocent - while calling likes of you "peanut brains" becomes swearing? |
just because it was said that some idiots had assaulted some tourist girls in taksim square, doesn't mean that the informer was defaming turkey in general. so don't get too defensive when facts like this, are brought up to our attention here.
i still have a liking for turkey, in fact i love the culture. you're just being too defensive about nothing at all. |
Look ! Read post number 1 in this thread.
If a 6-line newspaper effort to report some girls have been molested by drunkards include the word "Turk" or "Turkish" in it 2 times and some dear friend posts it here with no comments...I get suspicious that they all carry peanuts instead of brains.
So, what is your problem?
In fact comments afterwards, seem to verify my suspicions..
Also notice that a really obsene curse from one of the peanut brains still stands undeleted..Does that not disturb you at all? |
it does bother me that the obscene curse wasn't deleted... yet. and even if there was negative comments that followed that thread, do you really think it defames turkey? there are still a lot of people willing to learn turkish language because they have a liking for turkey, irregardless of the negative posts here.
i think the issues are different for you. you were not arguing about facts anymore, rather, you are arguing on the basis of race. some "non-turkish people" post negative information about the events linked on this forum, and suddenly, the people who posted it and affirmed it with there threads are "peanut heads". would it make a difference if a "turkish" person posted that thread? it did come from a turkish newspaper, so i wonder why you are being offended about it.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:05 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I can understand what you have, to make your Turkish friends happy: It can not have anything to do with your intellect.
Have a ball! |
and your point is?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:28 pm |
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AlphaF is entitled to his opinions, he is however not a representative of Turkish people. As a matter of fact, what is going on here is a discussion among individuals not one among cultures, civilizations or nations.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:40 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Quote: AlphaF is entitled to his opinions, |
Quote: he is however not a representative of Turkish people. |
 Quote: As a matter of fact, what is going on here is a discussion among individuals not one among cultures, civilizations or nations. |
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:52 pm |
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While everyone is entitled to their opinions, calling people peanut brains or discussing in a patronizing manner is not welcome and is a violation of the forum rules (which are rarely obeyed)...
AlphaF did this a number of times in the past.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:53 pm |
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AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.
No one here can judge how far he can represent Turks in general...
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 03:14 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.
No one here can judge how far he can represnt Turks in general...
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i think you didn't get the message. welcome to the club that you have created!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 03:22 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I can understand what you have, to make your Turkish friends happy: It can not have anything to do with your intellect.
Have a ball! |
Probably the most offensive post in this thread so far.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 03:33 pm |
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA_0cvd1EUM
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 03:45 pm |
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Quoting kedycano: fuck you alpha! enough with that!
people are fed up with shit like you!
I am sure they were all alphas last night!
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MOST OFFENSIVE POST IN THE THREAD COMPETITION
How about this one?...very polite, no?
Or is it classified as FREDOM OF EXPRESSION?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:00 pm |
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I got very angry to those idiots when i saw it. Sorry for those girls and for their lovers. Its not an acceptable thing. I am really really sorry for them.
By the way its also very foolish way to judge all nation or compare such things with turkish culture. We all know that every country has got excellent and bad people. And i musnt be responsible or be punished for their faults. We should not try to create new prejudgements cos world is full of it and i think its enough. I think those idiots have a cultural degeneration and they should be immediately educated.
I am really sorry but i am not the one who should be ashamed of it.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:02 pm |
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:06 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: I got very angry to those idiots when i saw it. Sorry for those girls and for their lovers. Its not an acceptable thing. I am really really sorry for them.
By the way its also very foolish way to judge all nation or compare such things with turkish culture. We all know that every country has got excellent and bad people. And i musnt be responsible or be punished for their faults. We should not try to create new prejudgements cos world is full of it and i think its enough. I think those idiots have a cultural degeneration and they should be immediately educated.
I am really sorry but i am not the one who should be ashamed of it.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:10 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: I got very angry to those idiots when i saw it. Sorry for those girls and for their lovers. Its not an acceptable thing. I am really really sorry for them.
By the way its also very foolish way to judge all nation or compare such things with turkish culture. We all know that every country has got excellent and bad people. And i musnt be responsible or be punished for their faults. We should not try to create new prejudgements cos world is full of it and i think its enough. I think those idiots have a cultural degeneration and they should be immediately educated.
I am really sorry but i am not the one who should be ashamed of it.
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Thank you Umut. You are right. For many years a relatively small number of "football hooligans/yobs" from the UK gave all UK football supporters a bad name.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:15 pm |
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And it is very hard to try to shake of shame when fellow countrymen do shameful things.
Sometimes, when I see the English flag (white flag with red cross on it for those who aren't familiar with it)flying in England I feel uncomfortable and this has been brought about because the flag has become a symbol of the British National Party. I don't think political parties should be allowed to use a country's national flag for it's own use. The flag belongs to everyone doesn't it?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:28 pm |
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This happens anywhere and everywhere. When you add alcohol to the mix, people forget how to behave. I feel badly for these girls however, as we discussed in another forum, Taksim on New Years Eve is a potentially volitile situation. Am I the only one who thinks more security is needed in this area on New Years Eve? The disgrace is that the city of Istanbul wasn't well enough prepared to handle this problem. It isn't like there was no precident for it!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:33 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: This happens anywhere and everywhere. When you add alcohol to the mix, people forget how to behave. I feel badly for these girls however, as we discussed in another forum, Taxim on New Years Eve is a potentially volitile situation. Am I the only one who thinks more security is needed in this area on New Years Eve? The disgrace is that the city of Istanbul wasn't well enough prepared to handle this problem. It isn't like there was no precident for it! |
You are right. Police should worked and work more.
By the way the celebrations(official) in Taksim square were canceled. So it wasnt an orginized celebration. Just peope came together.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:36 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting Umut_Umut: I got very angry to those idiots when i saw it. Sorry for those girls and for their lovers. Its not an acceptable thing. I am really really sorry for them.
By the way its also very foolish way to judge all nation or compare such things with turkish culture. We all know that every country has got excellent and bad people. And i musnt be responsible or be punished for their faults. We should not try to create new prejudgements cos world is full of it and i think its enough. I think those idiots have a cultural degeneration and they should be immediately educated.
I am really sorry but i am not the one who should be ashamed of it.
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Thank you Umut. You are right. For many years a relatively small number of "football hooligans/yobs" from the UK gave all UK football supporters a bad name. |
Yeah i remember that. They were all drunk. I think people dont know how to drink. They dont know their limits.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:38 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: Quoting Elisabeth: This happens anywhere and everywhere. When you add alcohol to the mix, people forget how to behave. I feel badly for these girls however, as we discussed in another forum, Taxim on New Years Eve is a potentially volitile situation. Am I the only one who thinks more security is needed in this area on New Years Eve? The disgrace is that the city of Istanbul wasn't well enough prepared to handle this problem. It isn't like there was no precident for it! |
You are right. Police should worked and work more.
By the way the celebrations(official) in Taksim square were canceled. So it wasnt an orginized celebration. Just peope came together. |
Even with no formal celebration planned, I think there are enough businesses in that area that it was obvious that a lot of people would be there. I think the police dropped the ball on this one. Hopefully, the will plan a little better in the future.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:40 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting Umut_Umut: Quoting Elisabeth: This happens anywhere and everywhere. When you add alcohol to the mix, people forget how to behave. I feel badly for these girls however, as we discussed in another forum, Taxim on New Years Eve is a potentially volitile situation. Am I the only one who thinks more security is needed in this area on New Years Eve? The disgrace is that the city of Istanbul wasn't well enough prepared to handle this problem. It isn't like there was no precident for it! |
You are right. Police should worked and work more.
By the way the celebrations(official) in Taksim square were canceled. So it wasnt an orginized celebration. Just peope came together. |
Even with no formal celebration planned, I think there are enough businesses in that area that it was obvious that a lot of people would be there. I think the police dropped the ball on this one. Hopefully, the will plan a little better in the future. |
Absolutely right. I hope so Elisabeth.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:59 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.
No one here can judge how far he can represent Turks in general...
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Should we really take you so seriously so as to judge "how far you can represent Turks" with all your "international qualities"? Are you a statesman or a prominent artist, novelist etc? Who would give a shit about what you think on behalf of Turks. You think for yourself and speak for yourself just like everyone else in this forum.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:06 pm |
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i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
those boys live in poor and ugly areas in istanbul and most of them have strict traditions at home..but in new year eves or such days they feel more free and feel like they can do anything they want..and in their oppinions,foreign girls and girls who wear a bit sexy clothes have no values and it is ok to disturb and touch them..but if the same thing happened to their sisters they would go crazy and kill who did it. And even worse one is that they are not minority..sad but true.
Turkish men have so many conflicts like that.they think sisters are to protected and holy but they can do anything just to sleep with other girls..they think mothers are holy but they can swear at others' mothers so easily..they think it is the biggest stain to have sex before marriage for girls but most of them go to brothels......
So please do not think it is a global problem it is one of f..king sociological facts of Turkey..
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:13 pm |
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Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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Ciko, I agree with what you are saying in your post. BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:22 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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Ciko, I agree with what you are saying in your post. BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I think we only tend to hear about what is reported in our own National Newspapers, most of which wouldn't make world news, because it is something many places have in common. And something not nice happened close to my town and whilst it causes local sadness it won't make the Nationals.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:27 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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Ciko, I agree with what you are saying in your post. BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I think we only tend to hear about what is reported in our own National Newspapers, most of which wouldn't make world news, because it is something many places have in common. And something not nice happened close to my town and whilst it causes local sadness it won't make the Nationals. |
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:31 pm |
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you miss what i point out in my post..forget about it!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 07:36 pm |
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Quoting ciko: you miss what i point out in my post..forget about it! |
What point was that? Attacks in large cities are nothing new or peculiar to Istanbul. In particular attacks between those who who are or seem to be affluent and those who have little are not unusual at all.
What seems to matter is what publicity is given to the incidents. During the 80s in New York City there were many many attacks between different groups of people on each other.
There was the: Bernard Hugo Goetz, known as Bernhard or Bernie (born November 7, 1947) was dubbed the "Subway Vigilante" by the New York press.
"Subway Vigilante"
Then there were many "wilding" cases. These were pretty common in the 80s in New York, most were not reported. I was confronted by a gang of 30 young men aged between 9 and 16, but suffered no serious issues...(thanks to good luck and Aikido training) Most famous was the Central Park Jogger case in which 5 young men were convicted of the attack. Later the convictions were vacated:
convictions vacated
In 2002, convicted rapist and murderer Matias Reyes, serving a life sentence for other crimes but not, at that point, associated by the police with the attack on Meili, declared that he had committed the assault, and that he had acted alone. The DNA evidence confirmed his participation in the crime and identified him as the sole contributor of the semen found in and on the victim "to a factor of one in 6,000,000,000 people".
Unfortunatly Mayor Dinkins took the blame, even though crime actually was going down during his administration. That allowed Gulliani to win the election.
The root problem began in the 80s with the displacement of tenants via gentrification programs begun under the Kotch administration.
:Homelessness became a serious problem during the 1980s, specifically in the last two of Edward Koch's three terms as mayor (1978-199 . The city outlawed discrimination against gay and lesbian people in such matters as employment and housing in 1986. In 1989, Koch was defeated by David Dinkins in the Democratic Party primary in his bid for a fourth term, and then Dinkins narrowly defeated Republican Rudolph Giuliani in the general election to become the city's first-ever black mayor. Crime began a 15-year decline in 1990 during Dinkins's administration, but a combination of continued racial strife (such as that in the Crown Heights Riot in 1991), and an extremely weak economy (in January 1993 the city's unemployment rate reached 13.4 per cent, the highest level of joblessness seen there since the Great Depression) caused Dinkins' popularity to seriously decline (including a threat by residents of Staten Island to secede from the city)."
History of NYC 1978 to present
All of this is to say, crime happens everyplace.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:04 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.
No one here can judge how far he can represent Turks in general...
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Should we really take you so seriously so as to judge "how far you can represent Turks" with all your "international qualities"? Are you a statesman or a prominent artist, novelist etc? Who would give a shit about what you think on behalf of Turks. You think for yourself and speak for yourself just like everyone else in this forum.
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I never said I represent Turks, all I said was nobody here is qualified to pass judgement on it...In fact my post indicates to some variations from the average Turkish profile.
Better read the text you want to reply, first...peanut !
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:05 pm |
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Quoting ciko: you miss what i point out in my post..forget about it! |
I don't think so ciko - the unpleasant thing is that this sort of thing DOES happen in cities like New York and London - usually without the 'excuse' of deprived or excessively strict upbringing. Additionally, parts of London are considered 'no-go' areas for police these days - do you have that in Istanbul?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:06 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I am quite CERTAIN that you would not get a gang of drunk men molesting women - even in New York. Yes, I am quite sure many people were arrested all over the world on New Years Eve due to drink problems - but I will guarantee you it was not because they were molesting women en mass.
Ciko thanks for your insightful and honest post 
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:22 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I am quite CERTAIN that you would not get a gang of drunk men molesting women - even in New York. Yes, I am quite sure many people were arrested all over the world on New Years Eve due to drink problems - but I will guarantee you it was not because they were molesting women en mass.
Ciko thanks for your insightful and honest post
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i wouldn't be to sure of that, my relatives, celebrated new year last year in new york... and the first warning that was told to them was beware of men grabbing boobs and asses. because it is frequent in that time of the year.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:33 pm |
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Quoting justinetime: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I am quite CERTAIN that you would not get a gang of drunk men molesting women - even in New York. Yes, I am quite sure many people were arrested all over the world on New Years Eve due to drink problems - but I will guarantee you it was not because they were molesting women en mass.
Ciko thanks for your insightful and honest post
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i wouldn't be to sure of that, my relatives, celebrated new year last year in new york... and the first warning that was told to them was beware of men grabbing boobs and asses. because it is frequent in that time of the year. |
Sorry to disagree with you AEnigma, but it does happen. It just isn't international news when it happens in NYC.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:57 pm |
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In real life, you may get physically harmed if you call a person "peanut" so insolently as you do. People of your ilk just bark from distance. Now it seems you can talk the talk but I am not so sure if you can walk the walk.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:14 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: In real life, you may get physically harmed if you call a person "peanut" so insolently as you do. People of your ilk just bark from distance. Now it seems you can talk the talk but I am not so sure if you can walk the walk.
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Wooooooooo! Go for it Vineyards!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:17 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.
No one here can judge how far he can represent Turks in general... |
Should we really take you so seriously so as to judge "how far you can represent Turks" with all your "international qualities"? Are you a statesman or a prominent artist, novelist etc? Who would give a shit about what you think on behalf of Turks. You think for yourself and speak for yourself just like everyone else in this forum. |
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:34 pm |
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The discussting event is on the hadlines in today's Turkish newspapers. A newspaper calls it as a bad tradition because it happens every year. This is really a shame for Turkey. I know many Turkish people are sad with the incident. But I do not understand why Turkish security forces let it happen. We will see if this "tradition" will take place again next year or not.
Here is one example:
http://www.aksam.com.tr/egazete/index.asp
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:48 pm |
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No New Yorker would sit near the door of the subway car due to the fact that standard operating procedure in the subways (for certain groups of people) is to grab the breast or crotch of a tourist woman, (they appear to look for women who look like tourists) and then grab whatever else is available as the door closes. I've seen it a number of times.
Now I would call that sexual harassment, but it's not on the news.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:50 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: In real life, you may get physically harmed if you call a person "peanut" so insolently as you do. People of your ilk just bark from distance. Now it seems you can talk the talk but I am not so sure if you can walk the walk.
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What is your opinion about someone who tells you "who gives a shit about what you think?"
Why do you post your own opinions here?..You think your opinions are worth more shit than mine?
I love your bravery ! Very impressive..))))))))))))))
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:11 pm |
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Don't cut it there, I meant when you think you talk on behalf of Turks... As long as you talk for yourself it is more than OK. Sorry, I am not into your teenage games. There is a difference between that and calling someone a peanut.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:18 pm |
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Avoid using foul words when you are talking to your Seniors..It is not necessary, nor does it increase your credibility..
People actually pay to listen to some of my ideas you so easily disrespect here...
Notice the word "peanut" has never been used unless it was provoked ...
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:21 pm |
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OK I dub thee the peanut king. Are your feelings hurt? Do you feel depressed? Whatever it is, go mind your own business fellow... I will not even read your boring opinions anymore and I mean it.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:47 pm |
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHXpnZi9Hzs
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:54 pm |
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Quoting alameda: No New Yorker would sit near the door of the subway car due to the fact that standard operating procedure in the subways (for certain groups of people) is to grab the breast or crotch of a tourist woman, (they appear to look for women who look like tourists) and then grab whatever else is available as the door closes. I've seen it a number of times.
Now I would call that sexual harassment, but it's not on the news. |
Will cross New York off my places to visit too...  What happened to "zero tolerance"?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:56 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: People actually pay to listen to some of my ideas you so easily disrespect here... |
I think you got confused. They are paying you to shut up!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 10:57 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting alameda: No New Yorker would sit near the door of the subway car due to the fact that standard operating procedure in the subways (for certain groups of people) is to grab the breast or crotch of a tourist woman, (they appear to look for women who look like tourists) and then grab whatever else is available as the door closes. I've seen it a number of times.
Now I would call that sexual harassment, but it's not on the news. |
Will cross New York off my places to visit too... What happened to "zero tolerance"? |
I think "zero tolerance" is a term loosely used by law enforcement to give the public a false sense of security. Sorry to burst your bubble... :-S It is still safe in Texas!!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 11:07 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: It is still safe in Texas!! |
Don't mess with Texas 
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 11:09 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: It is still safe in Texas!! |
Don't mess with Texas |
Who would dare? We are all very heavily armed!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:06 am |
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The people (or I should say the animals)who harrased the tourist gilrs in Taksim on the eve of the new year have been realeased by the police after they pay the fine that is less than 40 US Dollars. Is this justice? Should not their punishment have been more dissuasive?
Please look at these pictures again see if this is justice:
http://www.stargazete.com/index.asp?haberID=136240
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:13 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: The people (or I should say the animals)who harrased the tourist gilrs in Taksim on the eve of the new year have been realeased by the police after they pay the fine that is less than 40 US Dollars. Is this justice? Should not their punishment have been more dissuasive?
Please look at these pictures again see if this is justice:
http://www.stargazete.com/index.asp?haberID=136240 |
who doesnt know anything about laws and how they work in Turkey could say such opinions... if they-the harrased tourists- were complaining about them... they would put them to the court and more extreme regulations would be in process... thats why they pay this fine!
i see really no point in the survival of this thread... there is a bare fact that... there is shamefull and unlucky event occurs again at new years eve... but its nearly the same everywhere... after that dose of alcohol...
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:25 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: who doesnt know anything about laws and how they work in Turkey could say such opinions... if they-the harrased tourists- were complaining about them... they would put them to the court and more extreme regulations would be in process... thats why they pay this fine!
i see really no point in the survival of this thread... there is a bare fact that... there is shamefull and unlucky event occurs again at new years eve... but its nearly the same everywhere... after that dose of alcohol... |
It is disgusting that they only paid a £40 fine! In the UK it is considered to be Sexual Assault. Section 3 of the Sexual Offences Act makes it an offence for any male or female to intentionally touch another person sexually without his or her consent. A person guilty of this offence is liable, on conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:31 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris:
i see really no point in the survival of this thread... there is a bare fact that... there is shamefull and unlucky event occurs again at new years eve... but its nearly the same everywhere... after that dose of alcohol... |
You are so right Sui, I think there were something like 3 or 4 young men murdered in the UK on New Years Eve, and one Old lady burned to death in her house and not counting the numerous drink fueled fights, attacks, drunk drivers etc etc and girls going out in just a pair of knickers - yes and that was it! 
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:32 am |
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They are also taken into prison of Police Station first of all with the crime of breaking the peace of society in public areas...
but when the other side doesnt complain... it doesnt go further... if they do... what will happen lets think?
1) they would be supposed to stay longer than they plan in Turkey... which is not good for them
2) this is because the courts and law system works slow...
3) they will be in contact with police and lawyers etc... at least they will be seeing those idiots again...
4) sum up those all means their holiday will be wasted!
so they dont complain...
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:32 am |
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Quoting libralady: You are so right Sui, I think there were something like 3 or 4 young men murdered in the UK on New Years Eve, and one Old lady burned to death in her house and not counting the numerous drink fueled fights, attacks, drunk drivers etc etc and girls going out in just a pair of knickers - yes and that was it! |
I dont remember hearing about sexual assaults on tourists though..
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:35 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: You are so right Sui, I think there were something like 3 or 4 young men murdered in the UK on New Years Eve, and one Old lady burned to death in her house and not counting the numerous drink fueled fights, attacks, drunk drivers etc etc and girls going out in just a pair of knickers - yes and that was it! |
I dont remember hearing about sexual assaults on tourists though.. |
Where does it say sexual assaults? Says verbal and physical in the first post.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:36 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: You are so right Sui, I think there were something like 3 or 4 young men murdered in the UK on New Years Eve, and one Old lady burned to death in her house and not counting the numerous drink fueled fights, attacks, drunk drivers etc etc and girls going out in just a pair of knickers - yes and that was it! |
I dont remember hearing about sexual assaults on tourists though.. |
a couple of years ago i was reading in the news papers... if a woman wears a mini skirt and a man rapes her... he wouldnt be judged from raping... because she was wearing a mini skirt and tempting that man... funny isnt it... it was in France...
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:43 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: a couple of years ago i was reading in the news papers... if a woman wears a mini skirt and a man rapes her... he wouldnt be judged from raping... because she was wearing a mini skirt and tempting that man... funny isnt it... it was in France... |
I seriously doubt it - unless it was more than "a couple of years ago". Incidently, I dont speak for France, I speak about the UK.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:47 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting SuiGeneris: a couple of years ago i was reading in the news papers... if a woman wears a mini skirt and a man rapes her... he wouldnt be judged from raping... because she was wearing a mini skirt and tempting that man... funny isnt it... it was in France... |
I seriously doubt it - unless it was more than "a couple of years ago". Incidently, I dont speak for France, I speak about the UK. |
Speaking for France or UK doesnt matter dear, the truth here is the sick minds and idiots are everywhere... same for my country aswell...
This is a sad event but talking about and saying ha look at those animals... doesnt make any sense...
the guilty here is the mass media... if i was one of those cameraman... if i had seen that... i would throw my camera to the head of those idiots...
but they are running after money... instead of humanity... they are no different those animals aswell...
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:48 am |
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Quoting libralady: Where does it say sexual assaults? Says verbal and physical in the first post. |
It does not surprise me AT ALL that you do not know (or can be bothered) about the definition of sexual assult.
What do you think it means?
Did you read Post 53 - the quote from Zaman?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:54 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: Where does it say sexual assaults? Says verbal and physical in the first post. |
It does not surprise me AT ALL that you do not know (or can be bothered) about the definition of sexual assult.
What do you think it means?
Did you read Post 53 - the quote from Zaman? |
Can't be bothered, don't have time, and I know perfectly well the definition of Sexual Assault thanks! I will now diligently go back and read the posts I have missed. 
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:57 am |
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Correction Post 25!!!!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:58 am |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: Where does it say sexual assaults? Says verbal and physical in the first post. |
It does not surprise me AT ALL that you do not know (or can be bothered) about the definition of sexual assult.
What do you think it means?
Did you read Post 53 - the quote from Zaman? |
Can't be bothered, don't have time, and I know perfectly well the definition of Sexual Assault thanks! I will now diligently go back and read the posts I have missed. |
Just as I thought - where exactly is it saying "quote from Zaman" in post 53? Justinetime said it! Time to go I think!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:59 am |
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Quoting libralady: Just as I thought - where exactly is it saying "quote from Zaman" in post 53? Justinetime said it! Time to go I think!
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I did try to tell you - I should have said Post 25!!! You ask the question "where does it say..." but you are really not interested in the facts - only in disagreeing
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 01:49 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: Just as I thought - where exactly is it saying "quote from Zaman" in post 53? Justinetime said it! Time to go I think!
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I did try to tell you - I should have said Post 25!!! You ask the question "where does it say..." but you are really not interested in the facts - only in disagreeing |
Strangely... I have this impression about you whenever you respond to libralady. :-S Don't take this personally - it's just an observation!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 01:52 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Don't take this personally - it's just an observation! |
I have learned not to take anything you say to me personally The question you have to ask yourself is ...which came first? The chicken or the egg?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 01:52 am |
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Well, do you think all of those men were Turks ? Then go and check out the pictures again. They were mostly kurds that been loved by Europans. It should been take as normal that done by them. To for who says that the kurds have no rights, as you can see those "hairies" have rights to sexual assulting to tourists in Turkey.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 01:53 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Well, do you think all of those men were Turks ? Then go and check out the pictures again. They were mostly kurds that been loved by Europans. It should been take as normal that done by them. To for who says that the kurds have no rights, as you can see those "hairies" have rights to sexual assulting to tourists in Turkey. |
Turkish kurds - they are citizens of Turkey, same as you. You probably have both Kurdish and Greek blood in YOU
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 01:58 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Well, do you think all of those men were Turks ? Then go and check out the pictures again. They were mostly kurds that been loved by Europans. It should been take as normal that done by them. To for who says that the kurds have no rights, as you can see those "hairies" have rights to sexual assulting to tourists in Turkey. |
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 01:59 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Well, do you think all of those men were Turks ? Then go and check out the pictures again. They were mostly kurds that been loved by Europans. It should been take as normal that done by them. To for who says that the kurds have no rights, as you can see those "hairies" have rights to sexual assulting to tourists in Turkey. |
That sounds hate
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 01:59 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Well, do you think all of those men were Turks? |
Yes. Quite embarrassing for Turkey, isn't it?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:00 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
Turkish kurds - they are citizens of Turkey, same as you. You probably have both Kurdish and Greek blood in YOU |
I am sure my blood unlike you . And, you make me laugh on your every post. When it go with you, they are Turkey citizens, when not, they are Kurdish. Cool trick. But it revealed.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:00 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting E.T.K.O: Well, do you think all of those men were Turks ? Then go and check out the pictures again. They were mostly kurds that been loved by Europans. It should been take as normal that done by them. To for who says that the kurds have no rights, as you can see those "hairies" have rights to sexual assulting to tourists in Turkey. |
That sounds hate |
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:01 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting AEnigma III:
Turkish kurds - they are citizens of Turkey, same as you. You probably have both Kurdish and Greek blood in YOU |
I am sure my blood unlike you . And, you make me laugh on your every post. When it go with you, they are Turkey citizens, when not, they are Kurdish. Cool trick. But it revealed.
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Are you talking about yourself now? Because it sure sounds like it.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:03 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: I am sure my blood unlike you . And, you make me laugh on your every post. When it go with you, they are Turkey citizens, when not, they are Kurdish. Cool trick. But it revealed.
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I agree that I use lawyers tricks to argue in some cases, but I have to correct you - I have never called Turkish Kurds anything other than citizens of Turkey. You have to accept non "pure blood white turks" are also Turkish otherwise you will have a life time of hate in you, which really will do you no favours - it will speed up the ageing process and make you old and give you a heart condition and I MAY NOT agree to marry you
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:06 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
it will speed up the ageing process and make you old and give you a heart condition and I MAY NOT agree to marry you |
Hahahahaha, it was great AEnigma. You added color to my dull night. Thanks dear.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:07 am |
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You were supposed to be sad at the element of doubt that I MAY NOT... 
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:13 am |
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ETKO how can you see if any of those are kurds? Waiting intently for your interesting reply
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:22 am |
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Quoting azade: ETKO how can you see if any of those are kurds? Waiting intently for your interesting reply |
Azade!!! Please stop arguing with Turkish people and try to practice what you preach by focusing posts more about the Turkish language
Or is it just "different" because this topic means more because of your Kurdish boyfriend, whereas feminism has no interest for you?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:28 am |
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Quoting azade: ETKO how can you see if any of those are kurds? Waiting intently for your interesting reply |
I don't see , i know. The one who will see it is you. Compare them with your hairy.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:31 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting azade: ETKO how can you see if any of those are kurds? Waiting intently for your interesting reply |
I don't see , i know. The one who will see it is you. Compare them with your hairy. |
OOOOhhhhh, sounds scary. Maybe he's part of that gang, or maybe he was there, that's why he KNOWS without seeing.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:33 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I have learned not to take anything you say to me personally |
Cok multuyum to hear that!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:33 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting azade: ETKO how can you see if any of those are kurds? Waiting intently for your interesting reply |
I don't see , i know. The one who will see it is you. Compare them with your hairy. |
OOOOhhhhh, sounds scary. Maybe he's part of that gang, or maybe he was there, that's why he KNOWS without seeing. |
What if i was the one who puts billy in theirs holes ?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:35 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: What if i was the one who puts billy in theirs holes ? |
Then I guess you can go ahead and marry Aenigma.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:36 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Then I guess you can go ahead and marry Aenigma. |
You get worse...
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:37 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting catwoman: Then I guess you can go ahead and marry Aenigma. |
You get worse... |
Sorry, it was just a joke... no particular reason why you!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:40 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: ETKO how can you see if any of those are kurds? Waiting intently for your interesting reply |
Azade!!! Please stop arguing with Turkish people and try to practice what you preach by focusing posts more about the Turkish language
Or is it just "different" because this topic means more because of your Kurdish boyfriend, whereas feminism has no interest for you?
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I focused on language like 7 times today I also want to join the fun especially when it concerns racist comments 
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:41 am |
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Quoting azade: I focused on language like 7 times today I also want to join the fun especially when it concerns racist comments |
Azade, please also join us against sexism!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:44 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting azade: ETKO how can you see if any of those are kurds? Waiting intently for your interesting reply |
I don't see , i know. The one who will see it is you. Compare them with your hairy. |
So just how do you know it? It's impossible to see the perpetrators on those pictures. Or do you claim to be able to tell the difference between turks and kurds based on their hair? You seem to know a lot about hair
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:46 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting azade: I focused on language like 7 times today I also want to join the fun especially when it concerns racist comments |
Azade, please also join us against sexism! |
Okay I'll try to fit in that topic tomorrow after posting something about language or aenigma is going to come after me with a broomstick
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:49 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: I focused on language like 7 times today I also want to join the fun especially when it concerns racist comments |
Exactly my point!! It is different when the shoe is on the other foot
Fun is exactly what arguing here is supposed to be - but we are barraged with do-gooders complaining all the time |
In my defense it's really hard not to jump the wagon when somebody makes so obvious racist posts
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:53 am |
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Quoting azade: Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting azade: ETKO how can you see if any of those are kurds? Waiting intently for your interesting reply |
I don't see , i know. The one who will see it is you. Compare them with your hairy. |
So just how do you know it? It's impossible to see the perpetrators on those pictures. Or do you claim to be able to tell the difference between turks and kurds based on their hair? You seem to know a lot about hair |
http://www.geocities.com/buz_gibi_serin/komik_resimler/Kiro_Kazim.jpg
Your bf looks like him ? Or his very self ?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:53 am |
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I am not going to read the previous posts, but I can confirm as a Turk, the hungry men in Taksim were Turks.
And trying to find an excuse like 'but..they were kurds' is a bit pathetic.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:55 am |
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Etko - erlik han, you want to get your bottom deleted one more time?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:57 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: I am not going to read the previous posts, but I can confirm as a Turk, the hungry men in Taksim were Turks. |
As a Turk ?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:58 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Unfortunately some non-Turkish members here behave as if you are personally slapping their face. It is very tiresome to have such anger among them always |
That is true, sometimes I am wondering if they are not Turkish nationalists in disguise.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:59 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: I am not going to read the previous posts, but I can confirm as a Turk, the hungry men in Taksim were Turks.
And trying to find an excuse like 'but..they were kurds' is a bit pathetic. |
Thehandsom, you are risking a 30% higher punishment for offending turkishness by admitting that you're a Turk!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:00 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O:
http://www.geocities.com/buz_gibi_serin/komik_resimler/Kiro_Kazim.jpg
Your bf looks like him ? Or his very self ?
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If this stupid game is all you have to offer:
Oh how did you know that I didn't have a boyfriend? Is that why you posted a picture of yourself? Are you offering yourself to me? Do you think you can live up to it?
If you are a person of common sense:
cut the crap and answer the question. Then we can have a talk about nationalism and it's disintegration.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:00 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: I am not going to read the previous posts, but I can confirm as a Turk, the hungry men in Taksim were Turks.
And trying to find an excuse like 'but..they were kurds' is a bit pathetic. |
Thehandsom, you are risking a 30% higher punishment for offending turkishness by admitting that you're a Turk! |
I cant deny my Turkishness with that hair..can I?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:01 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Unfortunately some non-Turkish members here behave as if you are personally slapping their face. It is very tiresome to have such anger among them always |
That is true, sometimes I am wondering if they are not Turkish nationalists in disguise. |
Look to the Imperialistic US kitten on TLC ! Except her nationlism , any other country's is forbidden.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:02 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Except her nationlism , any other country's is forbidden. |
Better learn that fast canim.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:02 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Except her nationlism , any other country's is forbidden. |
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Good point sweetie
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:03 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: I cant deny my Turkishness with that hair..can I? |
We'll make a fundraiser for a laser hair removal for you to spare your life.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:05 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting E.T.K.O: Except her nationlism , any other country's is forbidden. |
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Good point sweetie |
The two of you make a beautiful couple after all. Wish you all the best!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:10 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting E.T.K.O: Except her nationlism , any other country's is forbidden. |
+1000000
Good point sweetie |
The two of you make a beautiful couple after all. Wish you all the best! |
Awwwwww sorry Kitty
I forgot that you hate it when I agree with other people 
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:10 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting E.T.K.O: Except her nationlism , any other country's is forbidden. |
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Good point sweetie |
The two of you make a beautiful couple after all. Wish you all the best! |
are we celebrating something?
haha
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:12 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: [In my defense it's really hard not to jump the wagon when somebody makes so obvious racist posts |
I agree about racism, but what makes you think that people here do not feel equally strongly about other subjects?
Arguments are taken far too seriously here - I argue with Turks in the same way I would argue about whose football team is best - you argue and insult and go away smiling.
Unfortunately some non-Turkish members here behave as if you are personally slapping their face. It is very tiresome to have such anger among them always, but fun to see them feverishly sympathising with eachother by PM |
I agree that arguments are taken far too seriously and I have done that at times here. Look! I'm trying to make up for it There should be room for some joking around as well but seeing this is a serious matter I can't take it lightly..except I guess it is a little laughable to see how unintelligent people are capable of acting.
So yes, it is just an argument on a forum but racism and nationalism is something that has been really damaging in Turkey and it is something that I always try to fight in the real world. Anyone should have the right to fight for a subject they believe in as you started your message with.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:15 am |
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Shame on you, nationalism is the root of evil 
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:16 am |
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OK I have been following this thread and think I have missed something. Is there a post that gives us the english translation of the newspaper report. Because everyone is talking about this horrific incident by these monsters...but from the pictures...picture 1)looks like some girl being grabbed but the girl behind her is watching and smiling!?! picture 2)can't really see anything but press taking pictures and the people watching, again, don't seem stressed they are watching with their arms round eachother, picture 3) just a girl crying with a guy, picutre4 ) they all look happy. I mean, I'm not saying that nothing bad happened, but it doesnt even look as if anyone was hit. If I was there with my husband and someone was sexually assaulting, I know he would hit the guy. Everyone still even has there drinks in their hands, surely if it was something serious there would be at least one picture of someone being hit, or they would have at least put their drinks down. I'm not saying nothing bad happened. I'm just saying I can't understand the newspaper report what it's saying, only the post where someone added quotes from other people about it. But from the pictures I can't see anything worse than what happened even in my tiny island at New Year.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:17 am |
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Quoting azade: Shame on you, nationalism is the root of evil |
And sexism!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:18 am |
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Quoting azade: So yes, it is just an argument on a forum but racism and nationalism is something that has been really damaging in Turkey and it is something that I always try to fight in the real world. Anyone should have the right to fight for a subject they believe in as you started your message with. |
I have argued this point many times with AlphaF and EKTO - but you should only do it if you are in the mood to argue
You should never seriously believe that you can change the opinions of the brainwashed by posting your thoughts here
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:18 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Awwwwww sorry Kitty
I forgot that you hate it when I agree with other people |
I hope you can now remember better and won't offend me again, so that we can still love each other!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:19 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting E.T.K.O: Except her nationlism , any other country's is forbidden. |
+1000000
Good point sweetie |
The two of you make a beautiful couple after all. Wish you all the best! |
Awwwwww sorry Kitty
I forgot that you hate it when I agree with other people |
Wooohooo. Congrats AEnigma dear. At least even a broken clock shows the right time twice in a day.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:20 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: So yes, it is just an argument on a forum but racism and nationalism is something that has been really damaging in Turkey and it is something that I always try to fight in the real world. Anyone should have the right to fight for a subject they believe in as you started your message with. |
I have argued this point many times with AlphaF and EKTO - but you should only do it if you are in the mood to argue
You should never seriously believe that you can change the opinions of the brainwashed by posting your thoughts here |
I have learnt that the hard way 
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:22 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Wooohooo. Congrats AEnigma dear. At least even a broken clock shows the right time twice in a day. |
Hahahaha, but when is your turn canim?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:29 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
Hahahaha, but when is your turn canim? |
Imperialistic US kittens first .
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 04:05 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Imperialistic US kittens first . |
I thought it was polite to let Turkish nationalists go first, not to make them feel inferior just because the Ottoman imperialism is over..
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:28 am |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: It is still safe in Texas!! |
Don't mess with Texas |
Who would dare? We are all very heavily armed! |
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:03 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: People actually pay to listen to some of my ideas you so easily disrespect here... |
does it include this one too?
Quoting AlphaF: I can understand what you have, to make your Turkish friends happy: It can not have anything to do with your intellect.
Have a ball! |
so people really pay to hear this kind of opinion from you... what an "intellectual" crowd they must be.
Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.
No one here can judge how far he can represent Turks in general...
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do not think so highly of yourself, the only person who ever gave credit to the fact that you have international qualities and qualifications to represent Turks is yourself. i guess YOU are YOUR biggest fan. as far as i know all kinds of AlphaFs' are banned in my country.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:02 pm |
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Taksim on New Years Eve
I feel I have to post this alternative portrail of events in Taksim Square as opposed to the original post and the ensuing arguments and battle that commenced and errupted like a volcano. With accusations flying left right and centre, everyone knowing best and no-one actually there to witness the event.
I was once informed that the Zaman newspaper was no more than a pornographic paper, and regarded at the same level as the tabloid press i.e our Sun, Daily Mirror. They breed sensationalism by reporting untruths and exagerating events.
If you read down this report it says that ONE tourist woman from Australia was molested in the crowd and an IRANIAN man has been arrested for it. She hid in the pharmacy with her friends.
Now you can believe what ever you like, but I like to fall somewhere in the middle and tend not to hold too much stock on any reports, as they are always going to be slanted one way or the other, depending on the writers point of view.
So it seems that everyone jumps to the conclusion it was a Turk, (may be an easy excuse to accuse an Iranin), but I am saying that it is not right to be so judgemental before you know all the facts.
And as the New Year celebrations were actually cancelled in Taksim, this was an impromtu gathering - not that it makes any difference.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:07 pm |
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Quoting libralady: I feel I have to post this alternative portrail of events in Taksim Square as opposed to the original post and the ensuing arguments and battle that commenced and errupted like a volcano. |
Thanks for the info. However, I am curious - why do "ensuing arguments and battles" bother you so much? It is a serious question.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:19 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Taksim on New Years Eve
I feel I have to post this alternative portrail of events in Taksim Square as opposed to the original post and the ensuing arguments and battle that commenced and errupted like a volcano. With accusations flying left right and centre, everyone knowing best and no-one actually there to witness the event.
I was once informed that the Zaman newspaper was no more than a pornographic paper, and regarded at the same level as the tabloid press i.e our Sun, Daily Mirror. They breed sensationalism by reporting untruths and exagerating events.
If you read down this report it says that ONE tourist woman from Australia was molested in the crowd and an IRANIAN man has been arrested for it. She hid in the pharmacy with her friends.
Now you can believe what ever you like, but I like to fall somewhere in the middle and tend not to hold too much stock on any reports, as they are always going to be slanted one way or the other, depending on the writers point of view.
So it seems that everyone jumps to the conclusion it was a Turk, (may be an easy excuse to accuse an Iranin), but I am saying that it is not right to be so judgemental before you know all the facts.
And as the New Year celebrations were actually cancelled in Taksim, this was an impromtu gathering - not that it makes any difference. |
I watched it on the telly (I think it was in kanal D and It was the presenter was Ali Kirca)
There should not be any denial about it.
It was so obvious.
I am so ashamed of it.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:46 pm |
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handsome....we can't turn our backs on you for 5 minutes and you are out and about molesting tourists....as punishment, we are taking away all your razors and letting your hair grow back - even the hair on the bottoms of your feet!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:48 pm |
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Quoting libralady:
I was once informed that the Zaman newspaper was no more than a pornographic paper, and regarded at the same level as the tabloid press i.e our Sun, Daily Mirror. They breed sensationalism by reporting untruths and exagerating events.
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Unfortunately, you were misinfomed because Zaman is a highly circulated serious and conservative newspaper.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:50 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting AEnigma III: Turkish warmth and hospitality? |
What is your problem exactly,if you don't like Turkey or Turkish people what exactly are you here for! All you do is try to argue against things and be negative.Just seems kind of pointless thats all. |
Sorry, but if you were one of the girls in the photo, you would not talk like that. |
I am not promoting the incident in the slightest i am simply raising a separate issue with Aenigma which excuse me for saying say so doesnt really concern you. |
Sera stop being so deeply offended when anything negative is said about your boyfriend's country but not at all offended when it is about your own country! I have many Turkish friends. We are just arguing light-heartedly - how come Turks understand it but you dont?
You say to Kaddersokak that your comment does not concern him/her. Why does MY comment concern YOU |
I didnt at any point say that i was offended i would apreciate it if you could stop attemping to talk for me.I was just asking you why you persist with this constant arguing towards anyone who doesnt 100% agree with everything you say.This is isnt called Aenigma class! Maybe its time you realised that people have things to say which you might not like but that doesnt stop people saying them no matter how many times you try and belittle them.And as for your comment on 'concern' my post on this occasion did not concern Kaddersokak because it was not addressed to him/her.If you look back you will see it was directed at you no one else.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:55 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: I didnt at any point say that i was offended i would apreciate it if you could stop attemping to talk for me.I was just asking you why you persist with this constant arguing towards anyone who doesnt 100% agree with everything you say.. |
Sera if you were not offended, then why did you comment on my post? How can you say that I was arguing - I wasn't arguing with anything - I made a comment about the post. Who exactly was I arguing with when I made that comment? The only person arguing was YOU
Quoting SERA_2005: This is isnt called Aenigma class! Maybe its time you realised that people have things to say which you might not like but that doesnt stop people saying them no matter how many times you try and belittle them... |
This perception is entirely of your own making. I love to debate with people who have different opinions. Did I belittle you? Are you so easily belittled?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 08:10 pm |
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 08:12 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Please don't insult me, my point is that you attempt to belittle people by discrediting their arguments. |
Of course I do! If discrediting your argument belittles you then your argument was weak in the first place! The point of debate is to win an argument!!
I love it when people can beat me in an argument - it is really great. People like you just name call or cry - it is very sad
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 08:16 pm |
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I don't think disagreeing with someone is insulting them. I have rarely seen AEnigma insult anyone who didn't deserve it....ie...insult her first.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 08:23 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: I don't think disagreeing with someone is insulting them. I have rarely seen AEnigma insult anyone who didn't deserve it....ie...insult her first.
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perhaps i wasnt clear, i did not mean that disagreement was insulting if i thought that i wouldnt be here! i was however saying that making people look small is insulting.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 08:28 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting SERA_2005: Please don't insult me, my point is that you attempt to belittle people by discrediting their arguments. |
Of course I do! If discrediting your argument belittles you then your argument was weak in the first place! The point of debate is to win an argument!!
I love it when people can beat me in an argument - it is really great. People like you just name call or cry - it is very sad |
I wasnt taking about myself personally i was talking about the way you behave on the site generally.The point of debate is not to win! Its to exchange ideas,not a game of win or lose.You saying it like that even makes the act of debate look small and pathetic when you lower it to such a short and incomplete definition.
And that fact that you are telling me i name call well that is just something else,i am not the one that does that! i am saying that i don't like it when that happens on the forum.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 08:31 pm |
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Maybe I have not read all the posts closely enough, but honestly, I don't see any belittling. I am on the Belittling Brute Squad and had any belittling occured I would have been notified.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 08:36 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Maybe I have not read all the posts closely enough, but honestly, I don't see any belittling. I am on the Belittling Brute Squad and had any belittling occured I would have been notified.
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Oh well i feel a whole lot better,glad we got that one cleared up. 
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 08:48 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: I wasnt taking about myself personally i was talking about the way you behave on the site generally.The point of debate is not to win! Its to exchange ideas,not a game of win or lose.You saying it like that even makes the act of debate look small and pathetic when you lower it to such a short and incomplete definition.
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Well actually the point of debate IS to win!! Did you every watch debating societies?
With regard to how people behave on this site, I really dont give a damn!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 08:59 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting SERA_2005: I wasnt taking about myself personally i was talking about the way you behave on the site generally.The point of debate is not to win! Its to exchange ideas,not a game of win or lose.You saying it like that even makes the act of debate look small and pathetic when you lower it to such a short and incomplete definition.
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Well actually the point of debate IS to win!! Did you every watch debating societies?
With regard to how people behave on this site, I really dont give a damn! |
Wonderful,that makes me feel so hopeful for the human race.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 09:17 pm |
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Quoting zbrct: Quoting libralady:
I was once informed that the Zaman newspaper was no more than a pornographic paper, and regarded at the same level as the tabloid press i.e our Sun, Daily Mirror. They breed sensationalism by reporting untruths and exagerating events.
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Unfortunately, you were misinfomed because Zaman is a highly circulated serious and conservative newspaper. |
Actually Zaman is the only NON-pornographic paper. You must have meant "Hurriyet".
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 09:20 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting zbrct: Quoting libralady:
I was once informed that the Zaman newspaper was no more than a pornographic paper, and regarded at the same level as the tabloid press i.e our Sun, Daily Mirror. They breed sensationalism by reporting untruths and exagerating events.
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Unfortunately, you were misinfomed because Zaman is a highly circulated serious and conservative newspaper. |
Actually Zaman is the only NON-pornographic paper. You must have meant "Hurriyet". |
Yes the hurriyet is full of rubbish.In my opinion of course!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 09:21 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Well actually the point of debate IS to win!! Did you every watch debating societies? |
Some, more civilized debates, don't make it a point to win, but to share different points of view.
Quoting AEnigma III: With regard to how people behave on this site, I really dont give a damn! |
Hahahah, canim, you have shown in the past that you DO give a damn.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 09:23 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Yes the hurriyet is full of rubbish.In my opinion of course! |
Or even better - "Milliyet"! You don't need porn with daily "newspapers" like that...  Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with Turkish media.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 09:24 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Well actually the point of debate IS to win!! Did you every watch debating societies? |
Some, more civilized debates, don't make it a point to win, but to share different points of view.
Quoting AEnigma III: With regard to how people behave on this site, I really dont give a damn! |
Hahahah, canim, you have shown in the past that you DO give a damn. |
Thank God at last someone i can agree with.I also share your feeling towards debate catwoman.Its not about winning but to take in another point of view beside your own.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 09:33 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Some, more civilized debates, don't make it a point to win, but to share different points of view.: |
That is RICH coming from YOU!!!! Is the pot calling the kettle black?
Quoting AEnigma III: Canim, you have shown in the past that you DO give a damn. |
I did
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 09:41 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting catwoman: Some, more civilized debates, don't make it a point to win, but to share different points of view.: |
That is RICH coming from YOU!!!! Is the pot calling the kettle black? |
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 09:46 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting SERA_2005: Yes the hurriyet is full of rubbish.In my opinion of course! |
Or even better - "Milliyet"! You don't need porn with daily "newspapers" like that... Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with Turkish media. |
I agree. More or less all of them show the same kind of blown up softcore pics, the "news story" being no more than 20 words of rubbish
But of course when I was in Posta they had to publish the most horrific pic I have ever seen in a newspaper 
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:03 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
I am so ashamed of it. |
Ashamed of what ? Because of the molester was not a Turk ?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:08 pm |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting thehandsom:
I am so ashamed of it. |
Ashamed of what ? |
He is right! Handsom, you don't have to be ashamed because of what's going on in your country. It's sad and horrible, but it's not your fault!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:09 pm |
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Quoting azade: I agree. More or less all of them show the same kind of blown up softcore pics, the "news story" being no more than 20 words of rubbish
But of course when I was in Posta they had to publish the most horrific pic I have ever seen in a newspaper |
Yes, it's one of the things that drives me away from Turkey.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:22 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting thehandsom:
I am so ashamed of it. |
Ashamed of what ? |
He is right! Handsom, you don't have to be ashamed because of what's going on in your country. It's sad and horrible, but it's not your fault! |
Haha
He is not right catwoman.
He is one of the people I am so ashamed of too..
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:26 pm |
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Imperialistic Kitty and her flatterer. What a nice couple.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:30 pm |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Imperialistic Kitty and her flatterer. What a nice couple. |
Right again! That's two in a day!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:35 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting E.T.K.O: Imperialistic Kitty and her flatterer. What a nice couple. |
Right again! That's two in a day! |
How did he figure out from those posts that I was trying to flatter you kitty?
Vow..I did not get the flattery from my post..
Either there is very very sophisticated sarcasm and sens of humor there or Aziz Nesin was right!!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:39 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: How did he figure out from those posts that I was trying to flatter you kitty?
Vow..I did not get the flattery from there.. |
He doesn't have to SEE things, he KNOWS.
Quoting thehandsom: Either there is very very sophisticated sarcasm and sens of humor there or Aziz Nesin was right!! |
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:40 pm |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting thehandsom:
I am so ashamed of it. |
Ashamed of what ? Because of the molester was not a Turk ? |
Molester was not a Turk?
You mean genetically?(Well, in recent genetic map of Turkey, it says that there are only 2.5 % are genetically Turk in Anatolia.)
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:42 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting catwoman: Some, more civilized debates, don't make it a point to win, but to share different points of view.: |
That is RICH coming from YOU!!!! Is the pot calling the kettle black? |
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Well, actually here's a definition of debate...
Rule-based competitive debate is often encouraged in high schools and colleges. Often, it takes the form of a contest with explicit rules. It may be presided over by one or more judges. Each side seeks to win, by following the rules, and even by using some rules to break other rules, within limits.
debate in education
I know how AEnogma loves these links 
I think we get confused between debate and dialogue
Dialogue
I much prefer the latter as it's the form that seeks more of a truthfull resolution rather than a "win" based on intellectual gymnastics.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 10:46 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
He is one of the people I am so ashamed of too..
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Why ? Because of we do not give some land to your hairy comrades ? Otherwise, would you start to guzzling ?
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 11:15 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: but I can confirm as a Turk, the hungry men in Taksim were Turks. |
Quoting thehandsom:
You mean genetically?(Well, in recent genetic map of Turkey, it says that there are only 2.5 % are genetically Turk in Anatolia.) |
Contradicting yourself even in a same thread shows how flatterer you are.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 11:27 pm |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting thehandsom: but I can confirm as a Turk, the hungry men in Taksim were Turks. |
Quoting thehandsom:
You mean genetically?(Well, in recent genetic map of Turkey, it says that there are only 2.5 % are genetically Turk in Anatolia.) |
Contradicting yourself even in a same thread shows how flatterer you are. |
There is not cotradiction at all..
Everybody in that country is TURK.
This includes lazs, kurds, Turks, lefts, idiots, racists , muslims, christians, atheists etc.
You are the person insisting that they were not Turks in Taksim..
Of course they were.. There was only one semi Turk-semi iranian hungry man between them.
I was just trying to figure out what your base would be about insisting that they were not turks.
I thought may be you meant genetically..
Silly me of course!!
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 11:43 pm |
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Apologies on the newspaper, yes I was mistaken. I referred back to my original information.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 11:54 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: I feel I have to post this alternative portrail of events in Taksim Square as opposed to the original post and the ensuing arguments and battle that commenced and errupted like a volcano. |
Thanks for the info. However, I am curious - why do 'ensuing arguments and battles' bother you so much? It is a serious question. |
You should know AEnigma, as the resident astrologer, being a Librian I believe in equilibrium, peace and harmony. I believe in being non-judgemental, and non-accusational. I dont believe that arguments solve anything, I can say that I have rarely seen a thread that is a real debate or discussion that does not end up like World War III. Even those that agree, fight! A while ago, a thread that ended up like this one, was locked so what is so different now? And as you so often state, everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is mine. I don't expect you to agree with it.
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03 Jan 2008 Thu 11:57 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: I feel I have to post this alternative portrail of events in Taksim Square as opposed to the original post and the ensuing arguments and battle that commenced and errupted like a volcano. |
Thanks for the info. However, I am curious - why do 'ensuing arguments and battles' bother you so much? It is a serious question. |
I just don't understand how libralady's post suggests that the "ensuing arguments and battles" bother her so much... You might want to elaborate canim if you know something we don't.
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 12:00 am |
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Quoting catwoman: I just don't understand how libralady's post suggests that the "ensuing arguments and battles" bother her so much... You might want to elaborate canim if you know something we don't. |
Perhaps you missed Libralady's post above? She has explained very clearly why they bother her so much
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 12:03 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Perhaps you missed Libralady's post above? She has explained very clearly why they bother her so much |
I thought she just said that she disagrees, not that it bothers her so much... but maybe I'm not that good at reading minds.
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 12:05 am |
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Quoting catwoman: but maybe I'm not that good at reading minds.
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I complete agree. You are, indeed, extremely bad at reading minds.
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 12:06 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Perhaps you missed Libralady's post above? She has explained very clearly why they bother her so much |
I thought she just said that she disagrees, not that it bothers her so much... but maybe I'm not that good at reading minds.
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Yes Catwomen, you are correct!
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 12:06 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I complete agree. You are, indeed, extremely bad at reading minds. |
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 12:07 am |
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Quoting libralady: Yes Catwomen, you are correct! |
CatwomAn...
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 12:21 am |
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Quote: ... but maybe I'm not that good at reading minds.
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Don't worry Catwoman, there's always somebody worse of than yourself.ME I am the 1% inferred in this video. I think I did it wrong . . . I wasn't supposed to do it on myself me thinks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOooCNfRg_U&feature=related
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 04:37 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting catwoman: Some, more civilized debates, don't make it a point to win, but to share different points of view.: |
That is RICH coming from YOU!!!! Is the pot calling the kettle black? |
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Well, actually here's a definition of debate...
Rule-based competitive debate is often encouraged in high schools and colleges. Often, it takes the form of a contest with explicit rules. It may be presided over by one or more judges. Each side seeks to win, by following the rules, and even by using some rules to break other rules, within limits.
debate in education
I know how AEnogma loves these links
I think we get confused between debate and dialogue
Dialogue
I much prefer the latter as it's the form that seeks more of a truthfull resolution rather than a "win" based on intellectual gymnastics. |
I know i'm not confused, thanks.
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 06:49 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: ....I know i'm not confused, thanks. |
I actually agree with you Sera...I'm all for exchange of ideas and views, but what often happens here is over the top, IMHO.
Here it seems to be a beat the other over the head, belittle them into submission or silence. They go way off the topic and into personal insults.
The point is in a debate there are rules. The "debates" here don't follow rules.
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 04:09 am |
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Quoting xkirstyx: OK I have been following this thread and think I have missed something. Is there a post that gives us the english translation of the newspaper report. Because everyone is talking about this horrific incident by these monsters...but from the pictures...picture 1)looks like some girl being grabbed but the girl behind her is watching and smiling!?! picture 2)can't really see anything but press taking pictures and the people watching, again, don't seem stressed they are watching with their arms round eachother, picture 3) just a girl crying with a guy, picutre4 ) they all look happy. I mean, I'm not saying that nothing bad happened, but it doesnt even look as if anyone was hit. If I was there with my husband and someone was sexually assaulting, I know he would hit the guy. Everyone still even has there drinks in their hands, surely if it was something serious there would be at least one picture of someone being hit, or they would have at least put their drinks down. I'm not saying nothing bad happened. I'm just saying I can't understand the newspaper report what it's saying, only the post where someone added quotes from other people about it. But from the pictures I can't see anything worse than what happened even in my tiny island at New Year. |
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 04:18 am |
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It is an obvious set-up....and someone is finally about to say "Hey ! the King is naked"...
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 02:20 pm |
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It is a huge set up by the enemies of Turks..
I will blame the USA first.. Obviously EU is involved too ...and and may be Iran?
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 03:31 pm |
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Why do not you accuse PKK instead of those countries? It seems obvious a set-up of PKK by using the suburb supporters of it. They have registered lawyers that knows the criminal laws very well. And they also know punishment of this crime where been commited in Taksim square was a funny charge. But disgracing Turkey and its nation is an aim for PKK and they are successed for now.
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 04:13 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting SERA_2005: ....I know i'm not confused, thanks. |
I actually agree with you Sera...I'm all for exchange of ideas and views, but what often happens here is over the top, IMHO.
Here it seems to be a beat the other over the head, belittle them into submission or silence. They go way off the topic and into personal insults.
The point is in a debate there are rules. The "debates" here don't follow rules.
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Could not agree more,you speak such sense!!
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 07:40 pm |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Why do not you accuse PKK instead of those countries? It seems obvious a set-up of PKK by using the suburb supporters of it. They have registered lawyers that knows the criminal laws very well. And they also know punishment of this crime where been commited in Taksim square was a funny charge. But disgracing Turkey and its nation is an aim for PKK and they are successed for now. |
The thing is, how can they (PKK) have disgraced Turkey? Why do you think they have succeeded?? The only way any of us knew it had happend was because we visit this site. It was not in our news (UK), we had enough murders and brawls to contend with! I still think Turkey is a wonderful place.
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 08:04 pm |
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Harassing people is usually not one of their methods, maybe you're being a little paranoid?
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 08:10 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting E.T.K.O: Why do not you accuse PKK instead of those countries? It seems obvious a set-up of PKK by using the suburb supporters of it. They have registered lawyers that knows the criminal laws very well. And they also know punishment of this crime where been commited in Taksim square was a funny charge. But disgracing Turkey and its nation is an aim for PKK and they are successed for now. |
The thing is, how can they (PKK) have disgraced Turkey? Why do you think they have succeeded?? The only way any of us knew it had happend was because we visit this site. It was not in our news (UK), we had enough murders and brawls to contend with! I still think Turkey is a wonderful place. |
I agree with you LL - highly unlikely that this was reported in any country outside Turkey itself - and the UK has enough of its own louts to put up with and be ashamed of in any big city on any night of the year - never mind New Year's Eve.
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 08:14 pm |
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yes some paranoiac people are in the habit of holding pkk responsible of every negative event in turkey. they accuse pkk even when they slip on the soap and fall down in bath. that is the easiest way of getting rid of the bitter realities isnt it? turkish state and it s people are true angels! non-turks and non-muslims do whatever bad in turkey...
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 08:17 pm |
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it s so simple:
funny enough the turkish constitution and nationalists say, "whoever lives within the borders of the turkish state is a turk!"
so only a turk can be responsible of every act in turkey ha? hahah
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 12:31 am |
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Quoting kedycan: yes some paranoiac people are in the habit of holding pkk responsible of every negative event in turkey. they accuse pkk even when they slip on the soap and fall down in bath. that is the easiest way of getting rid of the bitter realities isnt it? turkish state and it s people are true angels! non-turks and non-muslims do whatever bad in turkey... |
Probably someone stepped over your tail huh ? That's why you'r barking such way. Hahahahah
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:14 am |
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And i am one step beyond than nationalism. Lets create a field for race on id cards and passports. And then lets see the crime statistics.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:17 am |
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Quoting kedycan: yes some paranoiac people are in the habit of holding pkk responsible of every negative event in turkey. they accuse pkk even when they slip on the soap and fall down in bath. that is the easiest way of getting rid of the bitter realities isnt it? turkish state and it s people are true angels! non-turks and non-muslims do whatever bad in turkey... |
+1000000000
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:19 am |
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Quoting catwoman: +1000000000 |
- 1000000000 that means you are null.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:20 am |
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Probably someone stepped over your tail huh ? That's why you'r barking such way. Hahahahah |
it s quite clear who is barking! you dog! oh no no dog is a beautiful animal. doesnt deserve to be compared to such a "bok" like you.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:22 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: And i am one step beyond than nationalism. Lets create a field for race on id cards and passports. And then lets see the crime statistics. |
hey, you dont accept any other race than turk. forgot that?
it is already written "turk" on everyone's id.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:31 am |
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Quoting kedycan: Quoting E.T.K.O: And i am one step beyond than nationalism. Lets create a field for race on id cards and passports. And then lets see the crime statistics. |
hey, you dont accept any other race than turk. forgot that?
it is already written "turk" on everyone's id. |
You showed your ignorance one more time. Congrats.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:32 am |
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why do you think that is?
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