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The Night of Horror for the Tourist Girls in Taksim Square
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:33 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: This happens anywhere and everywhere. When you add alcohol to the mix, people forget how to behave. I feel badly for these girls however, as we discussed in another forum, Taxim on New Years Eve is a potentially volitile situation. Am I the only one who thinks more security is needed in this area on New Years Eve? The disgrace is that the city of Istanbul wasn't well enough prepared to handle this problem. It isn't like there was no precident for it! |
You are right. Police should worked and work more.
By the way the celebrations(official) in Taksim square were canceled. So it wasnt an orginized celebration. Just peope came together.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:36 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting Umut_Umut: I got very angry to those idiots when i saw it. Sorry for those girls and for their lovers. Its not an acceptable thing. I am really really sorry for them.
By the way its also very foolish way to judge all nation or compare such things with turkish culture. We all know that every country has got excellent and bad people. And i musnt be responsible or be punished for their faults. We should not try to create new prejudgements cos world is full of it and i think its enough. I think those idiots have a cultural degeneration and they should be immediately educated.
I am really sorry but i am not the one who should be ashamed of it.
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Thank you Umut. You are right. For many years a relatively small number of "football hooligans/yobs" from the UK gave all UK football supporters a bad name. |
Yeah i remember that. They were all drunk. I think people dont know how to drink. They dont know their limits.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:38 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: Quoting Elisabeth: This happens anywhere and everywhere. When you add alcohol to the mix, people forget how to behave. I feel badly for these girls however, as we discussed in another forum, Taxim on New Years Eve is a potentially volitile situation. Am I the only one who thinks more security is needed in this area on New Years Eve? The disgrace is that the city of Istanbul wasn't well enough prepared to handle this problem. It isn't like there was no precident for it! |
You are right. Police should worked and work more.
By the way the celebrations(official) in Taksim square were canceled. So it wasnt an orginized celebration. Just peope came together. |
Even with no formal celebration planned, I think there are enough businesses in that area that it was obvious that a lot of people would be there. I think the police dropped the ball on this one. Hopefully, the will plan a little better in the future.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:40 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting Umut_Umut: Quoting Elisabeth: This happens anywhere and everywhere. When you add alcohol to the mix, people forget how to behave. I feel badly for these girls however, as we discussed in another forum, Taxim on New Years Eve is a potentially volitile situation. Am I the only one who thinks more security is needed in this area on New Years Eve? The disgrace is that the city of Istanbul wasn't well enough prepared to handle this problem. It isn't like there was no precident for it! |
You are right. Police should worked and work more.
By the way the celebrations(official) in Taksim square were canceled. So it wasnt an orginized celebration. Just peope came together. |
Even with no formal celebration planned, I think there are enough businesses in that area that it was obvious that a lot of people would be there. I think the police dropped the ball on this one. Hopefully, the will plan a little better in the future. |
Absolutely right. I hope so Elisabeth.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:59 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.
No one here can judge how far he can represent Turks in general...
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Should we really take you so seriously so as to judge "how far you can represent Turks" with all your "international qualities"? Are you a statesman or a prominent artist, novelist etc? Who would give a shit about what you think on behalf of Turks. You think for yourself and speak for yourself just like everyone else in this forum.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:06 pm |
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i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
those boys live in poor and ugly areas in istanbul and most of them have strict traditions at home..but in new year eves or such days they feel more free and feel like they can do anything they want..and in their oppinions,foreign girls and girls who wear a bit sexy clothes have no values and it is ok to disturb and touch them..but if the same thing happened to their sisters they would go crazy and kill who did it. And even worse one is that they are not minority..sad but true.
Turkish men have so many conflicts like that.they think sisters are to protected and holy but they can do anything just to sleep with other girls..they think mothers are holy but they can swear at others' mothers so easily..they think it is the biggest stain to have sex before marriage for girls but most of them go to brothels......
So please do not think it is a global problem it is one of f..king sociological facts of Turkey..
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:13 pm |
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Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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Ciko, I agree with what you are saying in your post. BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:22 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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Ciko, I agree with what you are saying in your post. BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I think we only tend to hear about what is reported in our own National Newspapers, most of which wouldn't make world news, because it is something many places have in common. And something not nice happened close to my town and whilst it causes local sadness it won't make the Nationals.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:27 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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Ciko, I agree with what you are saying in your post. BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I think we only tend to hear about what is reported in our own National Newspapers, most of which wouldn't make world news, because it is something many places have in common. And something not nice happened close to my town and whilst it causes local sadness it won't make the Nationals. |
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 05:31 pm |
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you miss what i point out in my post..forget about it!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 07:36 pm |
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Quoting ciko: you miss what i point out in my post..forget about it! |
What point was that? Attacks in large cities are nothing new or peculiar to Istanbul. In particular attacks between those who who are or seem to be affluent and those who have little are not unusual at all.
What seems to matter is what publicity is given to the incidents. During the 80s in New York City there were many many attacks between different groups of people on each other.
There was the: Bernard Hugo Goetz, known as Bernhard or Bernie (born November 7, 1947) was dubbed the "Subway Vigilante" by the New York press.
"Subway Vigilante"
Then there were many "wilding" cases. These were pretty common in the 80s in New York, most were not reported. I was confronted by a gang of 30 young men aged between 9 and 16, but suffered no serious issues...(thanks to good luck and Aikido training) Most famous was the Central Park Jogger case in which 5 young men were convicted of the attack. Later the convictions were vacated:
convictions vacated
In 2002, convicted rapist and murderer Matias Reyes, serving a life sentence for other crimes but not, at that point, associated by the police with the attack on Meili, declared that he had committed the assault, and that he had acted alone. The DNA evidence confirmed his participation in the crime and identified him as the sole contributor of the semen found in and on the victim "to a factor of one in 6,000,000,000 people".
Unfortunatly Mayor Dinkins took the blame, even though crime actually was going down during his administration. That allowed Gulliani to win the election.
The root problem began in the 80s with the displacement of tenants via gentrification programs begun under the Kotch administration.
:Homelessness became a serious problem during the 1980s, specifically in the last two of Edward Koch's three terms as mayor (1978-199 . The city outlawed discrimination against gay and lesbian people in such matters as employment and housing in 1986. In 1989, Koch was defeated by David Dinkins in the Democratic Party primary in his bid for a fourth term, and then Dinkins narrowly defeated Republican Rudolph Giuliani in the general election to become the city's first-ever black mayor. Crime began a 15-year decline in 1990 during Dinkins's administration, but a combination of continued racial strife (such as that in the Crown Heights Riot in 1991), and an extremely weak economy (in January 1993 the city's unemployment rate reached 13.4 per cent, the highest level of joblessness seen there since the Great Depression) caused Dinkins' popularity to seriously decline (including a threat by residents of Staten Island to secede from the city)."
History of NYC 1978 to present
All of this is to say, crime happens everyplace.
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