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The Night of Horror for the Tourist Girls in Taksim Square
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 07:36 pm |
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Quoting ciko: you miss what i point out in my post..forget about it! |
What point was that? Attacks in large cities are nothing new or peculiar to Istanbul. In particular attacks between those who who are or seem to be affluent and those who have little are not unusual at all.
What seems to matter is what publicity is given to the incidents. During the 80s in New York City there were many many attacks between different groups of people on each other.
There was the: Bernard Hugo Goetz, known as Bernhard or Bernie (born November 7, 1947) was dubbed the "Subway Vigilante" by the New York press.
"Subway Vigilante"
Then there were many "wilding" cases. These were pretty common in the 80s in New York, most were not reported. I was confronted by a gang of 30 young men aged between 9 and 16, but suffered no serious issues...(thanks to good luck and Aikido training) Most famous was the Central Park Jogger case in which 5 young men were convicted of the attack. Later the convictions were vacated:
convictions vacated
In 2002, convicted rapist and murderer Matias Reyes, serving a life sentence for other crimes but not, at that point, associated by the police with the attack on Meili, declared that he had committed the assault, and that he had acted alone. The DNA evidence confirmed his participation in the crime and identified him as the sole contributor of the semen found in and on the victim "to a factor of one in 6,000,000,000 people".
Unfortunatly Mayor Dinkins took the blame, even though crime actually was going down during his administration. That allowed Gulliani to win the election.
The root problem began in the 80s with the displacement of tenants via gentrification programs begun under the Kotch administration.
:Homelessness became a serious problem during the 1980s, specifically in the last two of Edward Koch's three terms as mayor (1978-199 . The city outlawed discrimination against gay and lesbian people in such matters as employment and housing in 1986. In 1989, Koch was defeated by David Dinkins in the Democratic Party primary in his bid for a fourth term, and then Dinkins narrowly defeated Republican Rudolph Giuliani in the general election to become the city's first-ever black mayor. Crime began a 15-year decline in 1990 during Dinkins's administration, but a combination of continued racial strife (such as that in the Crown Heights Riot in 1991), and an extremely weak economy (in January 1993 the city's unemployment rate reached 13.4 per cent, the highest level of joblessness seen there since the Great Depression) caused Dinkins' popularity to seriously decline (including a threat by residents of Staten Island to secede from the city)."
History of NYC 1978 to present
All of this is to say, crime happens everyplace.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:04 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.
No one here can judge how far he can represent Turks in general...
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Should we really take you so seriously so as to judge "how far you can represent Turks" with all your "international qualities"? Are you a statesman or a prominent artist, novelist etc? Who would give a shit about what you think on behalf of Turks. You think for yourself and speak for yourself just like everyone else in this forum.
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I never said I represent Turks, all I said was nobody here is qualified to pass judgement on it...In fact my post indicates to some variations from the average Turkish profile.
Better read the text you want to reply, first...peanut !
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:05 pm |
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Quoting ciko: you miss what i point out in my post..forget about it! |
I don't think so ciko - the unpleasant thing is that this sort of thing DOES happen in cities like New York and London - usually without the 'excuse' of deprived or excessively strict upbringing. Additionally, parts of London are considered 'no-go' areas for police these days - do you have that in Istanbul?
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:06 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I am quite CERTAIN that you would not get a gang of drunk men molesting women - even in New York. Yes, I am quite sure many people were arrested all over the world on New Years Eve due to drink problems - but I will guarantee you it was not because they were molesting women en mass.
Ciko thanks for your insightful and honest post 
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:22 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I am quite CERTAIN that you would not get a gang of drunk men molesting women - even in New York. Yes, I am quite sure many people were arrested all over the world on New Years Eve due to drink problems - but I will guarantee you it was not because they were molesting women en mass.
Ciko thanks for your insightful and honest post
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i wouldn't be to sure of that, my relatives, celebrated new year last year in new york... and the first warning that was told to them was beware of men grabbing boobs and asses. because it is frequent in that time of the year.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:33 pm |
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Quoting justinetime: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i dont think it would happen anywhere! did such things happen in new york, Sidney or London in new year eve?
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BUT these things DO happen in NY but the Police actually arrest perpetrators on the spot. Police presense is not just seen in NY...it is felt. I can't speak for Sidney or London, but I have spent many New Years Eves in NY and seen many people being arrested and dragged away. |
I am quite CERTAIN that you would not get a gang of drunk men molesting women - even in New York. Yes, I am quite sure many people were arrested all over the world on New Years Eve due to drink problems - but I will guarantee you it was not because they were molesting women en mass.
Ciko thanks for your insightful and honest post
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i wouldn't be to sure of that, my relatives, celebrated new year last year in new york... and the first warning that was told to them was beware of men grabbing boobs and asses. because it is frequent in that time of the year. |
Sorry to disagree with you AEnigma, but it does happen. It just isn't international news when it happens in NYC.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:57 pm |
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In real life, you may get physically harmed if you call a person "peanut" so insolently as you do. People of your ilk just bark from distance. Now it seems you can talk the talk but I am not so sure if you can walk the walk.
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:14 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: In real life, you may get physically harmed if you call a person "peanut" so insolently as you do. People of your ilk just bark from distance. Now it seems you can talk the talk but I am not so sure if you can walk the walk.
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Wooooooooo! Go for it Vineyards! 
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:17 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.
No one here can judge how far he can represent Turks in general... |
Should we really take you so seriously so as to judge "how far you can represent Turks" with all your "international qualities"? Are you a statesman or a prominent artist, novelist etc? Who would give a shit about what you think on behalf of Turks. You think for yourself and speak for yourself just like everyone else in this forum. |
+10000000
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:34 pm |
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The discussting event is on the hadlines in today's Turkish newspapers. A newspaper calls it as a bad tradition because it happens every year. This is really a shame for Turkey. I know many Turkish people are sad with the incident. But I do not understand why Turkish security forces let it happen. We will see if this "tradition" will take place again next year or not.
Here is one example:
http://www.aksam.com.tr/egazete/index.asp
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 09:48 pm |
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No New Yorker would sit near the door of the subway car due to the fact that standard operating procedure in the subways (for certain groups of people) is to grab the breast or crotch of a tourist woman, (they appear to look for women who look like tourists) and then grab whatever else is available as the door closes. I've seen it a number of times.
Now I would call that sexual harassment, but it's not on the news.
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