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1.       GatewaytoTR
26 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 01:29 am


Defenses Up!


I had actually gotten rather weary and cautious about invitations to drink cay (tea), or any other unsolicited gesture of friendliness, as a result of my time in Istanbul. The carpet-salesmen and what the locals call "hunters" - people who shout out to you "Good morning, how are you today? Excuse me, lady! How can I help you spend your money?" on the street as you walk past them - are easy enough to avoid. To completely ignore a fellow pedestrian who seems genuinely interested or merely friendly, however, takes a heart of steel. Or perhaps, simply very weary nerves.


One day though, I found myself on the Asian side of Istanbul, in Kadikoy. I had seen no other foreigners there, and had just experienced amazing warmth and helpfulness from some local women earlier. I had wanted to pray in a mosque but could not find the women's washing area. (Muslims have to carry out a ritual washing process before we pray, and this is usually separate from the men's area.)



When the old lady sitting beside me on the bench finally figured out what I was asking her, she showed me the secret door to the women's washing room, and pressed the buzzer which permitted entry. Well, it was not really secret. In fact, it was directly in front of me, literally in my face that whole time. The only sign which indicated that it was anything besides a private residence, though, was entirely in Turkish and rather small.



When I had completed my ablutions, this woman escorted me to the ladies' prayer quarters and explained to the locals present why I was there (or so I assume). She pulled a sweater off a hook and personally put it on me, even though I was already wearing my long veil, which ensured all the necessary body parts were covered. Then, quite suddenly and unexpectedly, her plump arms were around me as she kissed me on both cheeks. As she enveloped me in the warmth of her hug, she never stopped talking, in a tone that a grandmother uses fondly on her grandkids. Before I had gotten over the surprise, she left me to pray in peace. Out of all the mosques I've prayed in or visited, that modest building will remain foremost in my memory, for in my mind, the encounter with that old lady is a testament to the legendary helpfulness and warmth of the Turks.



It was this aspect of the Turkish attitude towards their guests that I was mulling over as I walked around after that incident. A man approached and asked if I would like to drink some cay with him. Ordinarily I would have declined in a second. But I was still thinking about that old lady and how nice the people on the Asian side seemed. I also recalled reading, both in my guidebook and in a "Travellers' Tips" book at the hostel, some advice encouraging travellers not to decline invitations to tea unless very pressed for time.



So I thought, what the heck. Let's see where this leads. He walked me to a tea garden nearby and a friend of his joined us. They were both taxi drivers, but they worked in a town north of Kadikoy. They ordered tea, and I wondered to myself if we were getting dirty stares from all around or if I was simply being oversensitive.



I answered the usual questions: Where are you from? When did you arrive? How long will you stay? Are you married? I also attempted some form of small talk. The silences were long and uncomfortably awkward, and soon I pulled out my trusty phrasebook. They eagerly took it from my hands and soon found the Turkish-English dictionary.



In no time, they were asking if I would go to the sea with them. "To take photos," they said. I pointed to the waterfront we had just come from, which was rather crowded with families, and I nodded okay. However, they indicated that they wanted to go to a different place, a beach, and pointed inland to a deserted area. I said no to their repeated requests, and insisted that if they wanted to go to the sea at all, it would be the crowded waterfront. No way I was gonna go anywhere quiet and alone with these two blokes.



I was beginning to get bad vibes from them, and actually starting to see visions of me being robbed or raped or worse. One of them flipped through my phrasebook again, and pointed a word out to me, with a questioning look. The word was "romance" as he pointed to the book, to me, then to him. Eeewww. I said no and ignored his repeated "Why?" I quickly gulped down the rest of my tea and stood up to leave. My offer to pay was immediately refused, as he explained that they were friends with the owner.



They insisted on a photo though, and I thought it was the least I could do, so we went to the crowded waterfront. That man who had been seeking "romance" posed with me; he grabbed my hand and pulled me close. Funny how one can feel violated by the very same actions that, if performed by someone else and with full consent, would express warmth and affection. That man then posed with his friend. He put his arm around his friend, but with a space of half a metre between them, their bodies barely touching at all. The contrast served to confirm my suspicions. Yup, I had been sleazed upon, big-time. Ah well, chalk it up to experience.



Thus, by the time I left Istanbul, I was convinced that if someone was especially friendly and generous, they were either trying to get into my wallet or into my pants. A solo Asian woman, I stood out on the streets like the alien that I was, no matter how conservatively I dressed. Walking prey. Thus, I had a couple of other similar experiences with men - I'm slow to learn.



Talking to other women who were travelling solo in Turkey, I learned that such experiences are very common. Very often, men would invite a single woman to tea, which may extend to a meal. Even if it was just their first meeting, he would very likely have expressed his love for her, and requested some form of physical intimacy. To their credit, they will generally respect her decision if she says no and stays firm. However, this will not happen until he has tried every means available to convince her to change her mind.



One woman I met spoke of another woman she knew, who never paid for a single meal in all the time she was in Turkey. Turkish hospitality can be very generous indeed, but in the end, I get the impression that there will always be some form of reciprocity expected. So to the solo women travellers in Turkey, just be aware that if it is a man saying "Gel, gel, gel, gel!" to you, he may be hoping that you will come, in more ways than one.

Kartini Abdul Rahman


P.S. If you want to see the pictures of the The two men seeking "romance" drink tea with Kartini in a tea garden, near the seabus pier in Kadikoy, Asian Istanbul, click on the following link:

http://www.bootsnall.com/articles/01-08/turkish-hospitality-2-of-3-turkey.html







2.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 01:47 am

It's a great article thanks. One of Trudy's essays confirmed a similar thing. Woman travelling alone should be aware of it..

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 02:28 am

Quoting GatewaytoTR:

Turkish hospitality can be very generous indeed, but in the end, I get the impression that there will always be some form of reciprocity expected.


I've always had this impression... Usually praising Turkey does the trick...

4.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 12:13 pm

Well, if a woman thinks a man in the street offers her tea or coffee just for the sake of being nice then, sorry, but this is just too naive of her. However, what is unique for Turkey in this matter is that after you have drunk your tea or eaten your dinner, you have every right in the world to say 'no' to your host's suggestion to make it more intimate.

I remember the first time I went to Istanbul, we were tricked into a carpet shop, offered tea, nargile and a few hours of wonderful conversation. Then we got invited for dinner(although we had no intention of buying a carpet), which we accepted just curious what would happen. The dinner was nice, then raki on top of Galata Tower, then we said we wanted to go home and they took us to our hotel and left us there. Sure they seemed disappointed but they didn't get angry or make us go back to Laleli on our own.

As for demanding reciprocity for being nice, that's how it works round the world. If I were to invite a stranger for a cup of tea, I would definitely hope there'll be in it something for me.

5.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 04:59 pm

hehehe....I must be cold hearted from my days of living in NYC. If a stranger comes up to me and starts speaking, no matter what country I am in, I generally tell them to @#$% OFF! But that's just me...I am a little mean that way.

6.       SERA_2005
668 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 05:35 pm

Really interesting article thanks for posting.

7.       elham
579 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:18 pm

interesting article to know motive for drinking tea

8.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:29 pm

The thing is....if you are offered tea in a carpet shop, unless you are interested in purchasing a carpet and negotiating on it's price, why would you accept????

9.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:37 pm

Why is everyone so eager to accept "nice" gestures from strangers? There is such a thing as saying "no". Who cares if a total stranger is offended? People need to understand one thing....yes, the majority of people in the world are kind and decent. HOWEVER, there is the minority of people who are NOT nice. They do not where a badge saying..."beware....I am an asshole". So in order to protect yourself...it is ALWAYS wise to be guarded. I would rather offend a nice person than trust a bad one.

10.       SERA_2005
668 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:40 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Why is everyone so eager to accept "nice" gestures from strangers? There is such a thing as saying "no". Who cares if a total stranger is offended? People need to understand one thing....yes, the majority of people in the world are kind and decent. HOWEVER, there is the minority of people who are NOT nice. They do not where a badge saying..."beware....I am an asshole". So in order to protect yourself...it is ALWAYS wise to be guarded. I would rather offend a nice person than trust a bad one.



I am the other way round, would rather take a chance and trust the fact that the vast majority of people are decent and just be aware that there are a few bad ones out there.You can't constantly live your life refusing people and saying no no no just incase they turn out to be bad news what fun would that be! Unless a person is totally stupid surely they must be able to tell when something is up.I would like to think so anyway.

11.       elham
579 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:43 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

The thing is....if you are offered tea in a carpet shop, unless you are interested in purchasing a carpet and negotiating on it's price, why would you accept????


did you try that ?

12.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:45 pm

Quoting SERA_2005:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Why is everyone so eager to accept "nice" gestures from strangers? There is such a thing as saying "no". Who cares if a total stranger is offended? People need to understand one thing....yes, the majority of people in the world are kind and decent. HOWEVER, there is the minority of people who are NOT nice. They do not where a badge saying..."beware....I am an asshole". So in order to protect yourself...it is ALWAYS wise to be guarded. I would rather offend a nice person than trust a bad one.



I am the other way round, would rather take a chance and trust the fact that the vast majority of people are decent and just be aware that there are a few bad ones out there.You can't constantly live your life refusing people and saying no no no just incase they turn out to be bad news what fun would that be! Unless a person is totally stupid surely they must be able to tell when something is up.I would like to think so anyway.



I will err on the side of caution thank you. You are free to do as you please, of course, but you must understand that my life experience dictates my attitude toward people. Maybe you have had a very rosy life and no bad experiences.....lets just say in my work I have seen a seedier side of life. Nice to know there are still people who feel this way Sera.

13.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:46 pm

Quoting elham:

Quoting AEnigma III:

The thing is....if you are offered tea in a carpet shop, unless you are interested in purchasing a carpet and negotiating on it's price, why would you accept????


did you try that ?



Ermmm no
Turkish carpets dont fit into my "minimalist" style lol

14.       SERA_2005
668 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:53 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting SERA_2005:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Why is everyone so eager to accept "nice" gestures from strangers? There is such a thing as saying "no". Who cares if a total stranger is offended? People need to understand one thing....yes, the majority of people in the world are kind and decent. HOWEVER, there is the minority of people who are NOT nice. They do not where a badge saying..."beware....I am an asshole". So in order to protect yourself...it is ALWAYS wise to be guarded. I would rather offend a nice person than trust a bad one.



I am the other way round, would rather take a chance and trust the fact that the vast majority of people are decent and just be aware that there are a few bad ones out there.You can't constantly live your life refusing people and saying no no no just incase they turn out to be bad news what fun would that be! Unless a person is totally stupid surely they must be able to tell when something is up.I would like to think so anyway.



I will err on the side of caution thank you. You are free to do as you please, of course, but you must understand that my life experience dictates my attitude toward people. Maybe you have had a very rosy life and no bad experiences.....lets just say in my work I have seen a seedier side of life. Nice to know there are still people who feel this way Sera.



Of course,i was simply sharing my opinion not attempting to change yours. And i fully understand your point about life experience and how attitudes are formed. I agree and of course its only stands to reason that one will behave or respond to something in life drawing upon previous experiences they may have had, however that doesnt always have to mean just because one has had negative experiences that the next one is going to be negative. I am just a positive person thats all like to see the best in people.Its done me well so far.I am training to be a social worker and am hopeful that this attitude will be useful and hopefully beneficial to others in the future.Be positive people!

15.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:01 pm

Oh Sera...talk to me after 10 years of being a social worker. I think you may feel a little different. I dont think the fairy dust has worn off yet. I am a very hopeful person but hope doesn't always reflect reality.

16.       SERA_2005
668 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:10 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Oh Sera...talk to me after 10 years of being a social worker. I think you may feel a little different. I dont think the fairy dust has worn off yet. I am a very hopeful person but hope doesn't always reflect reality.



Thought you might say that some how.All i am saying is that there is nothing wrong with hope just as long as you have a firm grip on reality.

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