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Turkey to change free speech law
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09 Jan 2008 Wed 10:24 am |
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Having read through the links relating to the writer Elif Shafik and Dink, one thing keeps coming to mind: The endless criticism of writers, intellectuals, artists etc... by people who don't even read their works and learn anything about them.
Take a look at what is happening to poor ol' Fazil Say ! Opened his mouth to express his beliefs and now he will probably being chased out of the country. What a shame !
Turkey has produced countless geniuses, Turks with incredible artistic and academic abilities, Turks with a passion to teach their fellow country men and women, the freedom to meditate on, learn about, broaden knowledge of various subjects including the poitical, controversial and delicate ones.
I have seen countless amazing Turks leave this country because they are not accepted. With this attitude towards the educated, things cannot improve !
The ultimate reward for education is TOLERANCE !
What can we Turks do ?
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09 Jan 2008 Wed 12:55 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: Quoting MrX67: respect to all freedoms but just in limits |
but you can't limit. I don't know if you read my previous post but in my humble opinion for freedom of speech it is all or nothing. Then we all have to hope that the majority of people, morally and from within their soul, know what the limits are. You can't legally create limits, that would defy the whole meaning of "freedom of speech". |
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09 Jan 2008 Wed 01:24 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting Cacık: Quoting MrX67: respect to all freedoms but just in limits |
but you can't limit. I don't know if you read my previous post but in my humble opinion for freedom of speech it is all or nothing. Then we all have to hope that the majority of people, morally and from within their soul, know what the limits are. You can't legally create limits, that would defy the whole meaning of "freedom of speech". |
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Hey MrX - I get your point. For example in the UK Freedom of Speech does exist however, there are laws about free speech which incites (makes/creates) hate or hatred of others. So when the fanatic islamics stood up in public in London shouting that people should be executed, they were arrested ! yes you are right, I get your point, this kind of freedom is dangerous and must be controlled.
Good point MrX. Have a good day !
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09 Jan 2008 Wed 01:33 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: Quoting MrX67: Quoting Cacık: Quoting MrX67: respect to all freedoms but just in limits |
but you can't limit. I don't know if you read my previous post but in my humble opinion for freedom of speech it is all or nothing. Then we all have to hope that the majority of people, morally and from within their soul, know what the limits are. You can't legally create limits, that would defy the whole meaning of "freedom of speech". |
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Hey MrX - I get your point. For example in the UK Freedom of Speech does exist however, there are laws about free speech which incites (makes/creates) hate or hatred of others. So when the fanatic islamics stood up in public in London shouting that people should be executed, they were arrested ! yes you are right, I get your point, this kind of freedom is dangerous and must be controlled.
Good point MrX. Have a good day ! |
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 02:49 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting E.T.K.O: Shortly this article signifies that you can express yourself without interference. But you are responsible from what you said and you have to put up with its outcome. |
This is such a dumb word game. I don't know what articles there are or whatever you're quoting (next time if you want your quotes to be believable, provide the source), but the FACTS are that freedom of speech/expression, while not perfect, exists in the west, which cannot be said about Turkey. It is so blatantly obvious.
Of course people have to understand consequences of what they say, these consequences sometimes limit freedom, but sometimes they are there, like pissing off all your neighbors, or all muslims, or christians, or losing funding... whatever. The point is that the government CANNOT arrest people for expressing their thoughts and criticism! |
Here's my source kitty :
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_7_26452_4
post #37
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 12:32 am |
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Afghan government official says that student will not be executed
The condemned student journalist Sayed Pervez Kambaksh will not face execution, a senior government official in Afghanistan indicated yesterday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/afghan-government-official-says-that-student-will-not-be-executed-778686.html
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 12:52 am |
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Quoting Roswitha: Afghan government official says that student will not be executed
The condemned student journalist Sayed Pervez Kambaksh will not face execution, a senior government official in Afghanistan indicated yesterday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/afghan-government-official-says-that-student-will-not-be-executed-778686.html |
But the fate of the student whose only crime was to download an article on women's rights remains in doubt.
thank GOD i dont live in a muslim country under a sharia law!!!
in afghanistan (pakistan, iran, lebanon, saudi arabia, iraq) they would stone the very day i arrived.
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 06:58 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting Cacık: Quoting MrX67: really good topic for talk about dear Rose and i think everybody have to be respectfull their nation and country when they critising mistakes and wrongs |
Good Afternoon MrX67. I agree about being respectful - but what is your interpretation of being "respectful" ?
I would be interested to know some examples from you that you think are a) respectful comments and b) comments which should be banned.
Looking for feedback from you and anybody.
This is a very interesting topic ! |
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MrX....why do you insist that there must be structure? Human thought is not something that can be contained with laws. What is insulting to you may seem very innocent to me and vice versa. Who gets to set these standards? I am curious to hear your thoughts.
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 08:34 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: But the fate of the student whose only crime was to download an article on women's rights remains in doubt.
thank GOD i dont live in a muslim country under a sharia law!!!
in afghanistan (pakistan, iran, lebanon, saudi arabia, iraq) they would stone the very day i arrived. |
Are you thanking Allah for that?  He intended it as a punishment!
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 08:36 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: MrX....why do you insist that there must be structure? Human thought is not something that can be contained with laws. What is insulting to you may seem very innocent to me and vice versa. Who gets to set these standards? I am curious to hear your thoughts. |
I think MrX is saying that if everybody says what they think, there would be anarchy . That is clearly not true, however, it does keep the government in a better check if people don't simply obediently follow, but also criticize. It's really a very good thing.
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