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Revised NATIONALIST MANIFESTO
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:37 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Why do you think all this crap flows in and nobody dare offer a counterview, a different opinion on any of the points there, except my dear partner.. You, yourself, offered an honest objection in no uncertain terms; did my reply hurt? |
People just don't give a crap about you and the things you mumble...
Quoting AlphaF: What some people here want is to be able to mutter somethings in the dark, without giving away their true colors. No honesty, no self respect...... |
You lost it man...  (my honest opinion)
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 08:25 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting AlphaF: My manifesto, though seems light hearted and though may be objectionable to some, clearly adresses most major issues in Turkia today...without any uncertain statements and leaving no doubt to my philosopy.
Do not bother writing insincere remarks, asking peanut questions - unless you have the heart for it.
What do you want? A full doctorate course?
Are you ashamed or scared to say what you think?...You probably are!..
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CAN YOU NOT TELL WHAT IT IS THAT DISTURBS YOU?
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 08:28 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: CAN YOU NOT TELL WHAT IT IS THAT DISTURBS YOU? |
You know very well that what disturbs people is that you are speaking your mind!! You are supposed to hide your real thoughts behind a mask of political correctness 
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 08:32 pm |
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Quoting azade: Alpha seeing you is like looking at a piece of history, "politicAL (edit, ehem) views of the previous century, protecting the homeland?".
Are you denying that we live in a globalized world? |
I am historical, an antique 
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 08:34 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: 2. Anyone who says Ataturk's revolutions were works of a dictator, not necessarily according to public wishes |
Ok lets move to (2)
Hmmmmm well, "in my humble opinion" (copyright Alameda) there was something of a dictator in his methods - reinforced by the army! Are you seriously suggesting that he had the Turkish people 100% behind his ideals?
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 08:35 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AlphaF: CAN YOU NOT TELL WHAT IT IS THAT DISTURBS YOU? |
You know very well that what disturbs people is that you are speaking your mind!! You are supposed to hide your real thoughts behind a mask of political correctness |
You are smart and honest....and voice your opinions clearly...
That definitely gives you the right to disagree with me on any subject, at you own will and pleasure.
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 08:36 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: That definitely gives you the right to disagree with me on any subject, at you own will and pleasure. |
Thank you - it is all I live for
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 08:42 pm |
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Now this is not so much fun, because of course I agree with your manifesto item numbers 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13 
Which makes me a bit curious about the "hate" people are talking about here 
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 08:49 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AlphaF: 2. Anyone who says Ataturk's revolutions were works of a dictator, not necessarily according to public wishes |
Ok lets move to (2)
Hmmmmm well, "in my humble opinion" (copyright Alameda) there was something of a dictator in his methods - reinforced by the army! Are you seriously suggesting that he had the Turkish people 100% behind his ideals?
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There was no "Turkish people" right after the War of Independence. All Ataturk had was the very poor, largely ignorant mix of perhaps more than 20 ethnic groups, all used to being subjects of a Sultan and very ill at ease with the idea of being free citizens of a young republic: just piece meal remnants of an old Empire. A nation had to be built.
Ataturk had no time to lose with niceties. He had started a revolution, and wanted it to succeed and survive. It may be said that he allowed compromises on democracy, in favor of the republic. He was no dictator in the sense Mussolini, Hitler or Stalin were. Every decision he took had the backing of the National Assembly. He always had his way to persuade the Assembly.
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 09:02 pm |
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Well of course, your answer is very reasonable and true, but please note that I used the words "something of a dictator in his methods" and was in no way comparing him to the likes of Stalin or Hitler!
However, I think you should amend your manifesto because, of course, many of Ataturk's revolutionary laws WERE against public opinion, and you should not deny it (or make enemies of people who speak the facts). It is irrevelent whether or not they were in the wrong.
As you are a supporter of honesty and truth I know you will agree with this
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